Single Speed Scam!

Ksc4444 said:

Yeah, all these manufacturers think they are slick selling these expensive single speed bikes! How
come the price does not drop due to a lack of derailleurs and such? If there are less moving
parts, then does logic not dictate that the bloody price should drop accordingly? Well I ain't
gonna play ball on this one! Although I really, really want a Specialized P bike, I simply refuse
to pay 600 bucks for a one speed bike. That thing should be like 300 bucks tops.

Single brain cell?

Bill "not shopped since 1977?" S.

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Yeah, all these manufacturers think they are slick selling these expensive single speed bikes!
How come the price does not drop due to a lack of derailleurs and such? If there are less
moving parts, then does logic not dictate that the bloody price should drop accordingly? Well I
ain't gonna

play

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ball on this one! Although I really, really want a Specialized P bike, I simply refuse to pay 600
bucks for a one speed bike. That thing should be

like

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300 bucks tops.

Who's holding a gun to your head, forcing you to buy one?

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Ksc4444 said:

Yeah, all these manufacturers think they are slick selling these expensive single speed bikes!
How come the price does not drop due to a lack of derailleurs and such? If there are less moving
parts, then does logic not dictate that the bloody price should drop accordingly? Well I ain't
gonna play ball on this one! Although I really, really want a Specialized P bike, I simply
refuse to pay 600 bucks for a one speed bike. That thing should be like 300 bucks tops.

Single brain cell?

Single cell brain?

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Yeah, all these manufacturers think they are slick selling these expensive single speed bikes!
How come the price does not drop due to a lack of derailleurs and such? If there are less moving
parts, then does logic not dictate that the bloody price should drop accordingly? Well I ain't
gonna play ball on this one! Although I really, really want a Specialized P bike, I simply refuse
to pay 600 bucks for a one speed bike. That thing should be like 300 bucks tops.

Who's holding a gun to your head, forcing you to buy one?

Bill Wheeler.

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That thing should be like

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300 bucks tops.

Who's holding a gun to your head, forcing you to buy one?

Nobody; thats why I won't be buying one. I thought I made my intentions of NOT to buy extremely
clear in my original post. For all the smarmy BS, nobody managed to answer my original question. As
a result, I shall repost a portion of the original message below:

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How come the price does not drop due to a lack of

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derailleurs and such? If there are less moving parts, then does logic not dictate that the bloody
price should drop accordingly?

Ho ho ho

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Single brain cell?

Oh, I get it; question the status quo and get called stupid. Most Specialized products are made in
China. I hate to break this to ya, but those frames are probably made in the same factory that
produces the Wal-Mart specials that everyone sneers at. Do you think Specialized actually has a big
factory over in China? Hell no, they contract that stuff out to places that handle more than one
company. I got your single brain cell right here.

Ksc4444 found this under the tree:

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Single brain cell?

Oh, I get it; question the status quo and get called stupid. Most Specialized products are made in
China. I hate to break this to ya, but those frames are probably made in the same factory that
produces the Wal-Mart specials that everyone sneers at. Do you think Specialized actually has a
big factory over in China? Hell no, they contract that stuff out to places that handle more than
one company. I got your single brain cell right here.

I don't think so... just because a product is made in Asia, does not automatically qualify it
as a POS. More depends on factory management and who's running the show: quality control and
follow through.

Penny

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Yeah, all these manufacturers think they are slick selling these expensive single speed bikes!
How come the price does not drop due to a lack of derailleurs and such? If there are less
moving parts, then does logic not dictate that the bloody price should drop accordingly? Well I
ain't gonna play ball on this one! Although I really, really want a Specialized P bike, I
simply refuse to pay 600 bucks for a one speed bike. That thing should be like 300 bucks tops.

Who's holding a gun to your head, forcing you to buy one?

Bill Wheeler.

Oh.

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I'll take movie suggestions, ones that would really show off the surround sound!!

Merry everything, everyone!

Penny

Winged Migration

You pedal your ass off and Corp pedals to the bank laughing all the way. Merry Christmas all and
keep pedaling.

Fire up MTB 03

It seems to me you are just wanting to pick a fight, why not look up MV.

the price of single speed bikes and components is based on a thing called "volume", most are custom
manufactured in a few units rather than in units of thousands.

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Yeah, all these manufacturers think they are slick selling these expensive single speed bikes!
How come the price does not drop due to a lack of derailleurs and such? If there are less
moving parts, then does logic not dictate that the bloody price should drop accordingly? Well I
ain't gonna

play

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ball on this one! Although I really, really want a Specialized P bike, I simply refuse to pay 600
bucks for a one speed bike. That thing should be

like

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300 bucks tops.

With two 40" boxes in the middle of the living room, we just HAD to open everything last night.

By the time you have wrapped boxes that size in the house for 3 days, there are no surprises with
teens in the house... "duh, you've said we should get a new TV" some time..." "you didn't clear
history on the drop down bar in Google {hdtv}...." "nothing else comes in a box like that..." " of
course it's a TV and home theatre, why else would there be two boxes"...

it's a hit of course.

more observations. Radio Shack will let teenagers in their pajamas buy subwoofer cables, on
Christmas Eve with their moms' debit card if you call ahead.

Said teenager did not have it figured out well enought to NOT loan his extended version DVD of the
Fellowship of the rings out, same with Matrix 1. Mr Adventrue won't watch the #2 in either seried, (
which we have) without the first one. We had to settle for Seabicuit last night. (no one but me
wanted to watch Nemo for the umpteenth time)

You'd think manual would improve with time. I'ts only after you read 10 pages of how to program your
set up that you get to the page that tells you it should be preset with a good basic
configuration...

The number of remotes just increased 400% at our house.

I'll take movie suggestions, ones that would really show off the surround sound!!

Merry everything, everyone!

Penny

di said:

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Yeah, all these manufacturers think they are slick selling these expensive single speed bikes!
How come the price does not drop due to a lack of derailleurs and such? If there are less
moving parts, then does logic not dictate that the bloody price should drop accordingly? Well I
ain't gonna

play

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ball on this one! Although I really, really want a Specialized P bike, I simply refuse to pay 600
bucks for a one speed bike. That thing should be

like

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300 bucks tops.

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It seems to me you are just wanting to pick a fight, why not look up MV.

the price of single speed bikes and components is based on a thing called "volume", most are
custom manufactured in a few units rather than in

units

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of thousands.

BZZZTT! Its based on demand. If demand is sufficient to turn a profit (regardless of volume, 1 unit
or 10M units) or function as some sort of loss leader, the product-bike or whatever-will be
produced. If not, it gets filed. Geez, you supply siders, when will you learn. :-)

Happy Holidays, Shawn

P.S. You're right in that fewer units cost more to manufacture/unit.

Penny S said:

With two 40" boxes in the middle of the living room, we just HAD to open everything last night.

By the time you have wrapped boxes that size in the house for 3 days, there are no surprises with
teens in the house... "duh, you've said we should get a new TV" some time..." "you didn't clear
history on the drop down bar in Google {hdtv}...." "nothing else comes in a box like that..." " of
course it's a TV and home theatre, why else would there be two boxes"...

{snippage}

Hey, didja hear -- Penny got a DROP BAR for Christmas! Guess she's goin' roadie on us (or at least
Crossie)...

Bill "how false rumors get started" S.

PS: PS, enjoy your new tech-toy! Merry-merry...

Penny S wrote:
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I'll take movie suggestions, ones that would really show off the surround sound!!

Merry everything, everyone!

Penny

Top Gun (for the more than umpteenth time) re-mastered with Dolby 5.1 on
DVD.

It just doesn't get much better (not into the LOTR stuff)

Gary

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That thing should be like

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300 bucks tops.

Who's holding a gun to your head, forcing you to buy one?

Nobody; thats why I won't be buying one. I thought I made my intentions of

NOT

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to buy extremely clear in my original post. For all the smarmy BS, nobody managed to answer my
original question. As a result, I shall repost a

portion

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of the original message below:

I have no desire for an overpriced DH bike, so.....

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How come the price does not drop due to a lack of

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derailleurs and such? If there are less moving parts, then does logic

not

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dictate that the bloody price should drop accordingly?

The price does drop accordingly. If you pay $300 for a SS, you'll end up spending the $500 you saved
on the replacement parts that will fail, just to hang them on a POS frame.

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Ho ho ho

Snuh?

What do you mean "When will we learn"? It doesn't take much to know if someone makes 100 units the
cost of manufacturing is going to be more than if they make 10,000 units. That's exactly what you
said if you will read your own message, of course it's demand, if the demand for single speed bikes
was as great as say full suspension bikes, the cost of their components would be less. Geez, read
before replying.

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Yeah, all these manufacturers think they are slick selling these

expensive

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single speed bikes! How come the price does not drop due to a lack of derailleurs and such? If
there are less moving parts, then does logic

not

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dictate that the bloody price should drop accordingly? Well I ain't

gonna

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play

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ball on this one! Although I really, really want a Specialized P bike,

I

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simply refuse to pay 600 bucks for a one speed bike. That thing should

be

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like

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300 bucks tops.

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It seems to me you are just wanting to pick a fight, why not look up

MV.

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the price of single speed bikes and components is based on a thing

called

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"volume", most are custom manufactured in a few units rather than in

units

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of thousands.

BZZZTT! Its based on demand. If demand is sufficient to turn a profit (regardless of volume, 1
unit or 10M units) or function as some sort of loss leader, the product-bike or whatever-will be
produced. If not, it gets filed. Geez, you supply siders, when will you learn. :-)

Happy Holidays, Shawn

P.S. You're right in that fewer units cost more to manufacture/unit.

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>Yeah, all these manufacturers think they are slick selling these

expensive

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>single speed bikes! How come the price does not drop due to a lack of derailleurs and such? If
>there are less moving parts, then does logic

not

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>dictate that the bloody price should drop accordingly? Well I ain't

gonna

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>ball on this one! Although I really, really want a Specialized P bike,

I

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>simply refuse to pay 600 bucks for a one speed bike. That thing should

be

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like

>300 bucks tops.

> It seems to me you are just wanting to pick a fight, why not look up

MV.

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the price of single speed bikes and components is based on a thing

called

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"volume", most are custom manufactured in a few units rather than in

units

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of thousands.

BZZZTT! Its based on demand. If demand is sufficient to turn a profit (regardless of volume, 1
unit or 10M units) or function as some sort of loss leader, the product-bike or whatever-will be
produced. If not, it gets filed. Geez, you supply siders, when will you learn. :-)

Happy Holidays, Shawn

P.S. You're right in that fewer units cost more to manufacture/unit.

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What do you mean "When will we learn"? It doesn't take much to know if someone makes 100 units
the cost of manufacturing is going to be more

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if they make 10,000 units. That's exactly what you said if you

will read

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your own message, of course it's demand, if the demand for single speed bikes was as great as say
full suspension bikes, the cost of their components would be less. Geez, read before replying.

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You missed the point. The "cost" I was referring to is the cost of manufacturing. This cost is only
reflected in the retail price to the point that if no consumer wants to pay the manufacturing cost
plus some profit, it won't get manufactured at all. That is, the lowest marketable price for the
bike. This is probably the current situation with hand made SS bikes. They cost a lot to make, thus
a lot to buy, and the people who make them aren't in it for the big bucks. Specialized, Bianchi,
(Surly?) that are mass producing SS bikes likely have much lower costs. A frame is a frame. Tooling
for SS specific cranks and hubs aren't massively expensive these days. They may be making
substantial profits on these bikes. The competition in the market to drive the prices down to what
would seem reasonable for a SS isn't there yet. If you are really a "Supply Sider" well never mind
anyway, this is all just wind blowing between your ears ;-)

Shawn

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I'll take movie suggestions, ones that would really show off the surround sound!!

The Indiana Jones Trilogies (and special 4th disk)!!

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Merry everything, everyone!

Penny

Merry, Merry everything to you as well...

Dave (Thanks mom!)

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