Re: The Great Don Quijote of RBM!

[A Muzi]

-snip Mr Lyme Disease-
Tim McNamara wrote:
> I also think that Clinton
> benefits from the contrast effect with the current President. By
> comparison, the Clinton Administration was the shining city on the hill.

First incidence of spewed coffee on keyboard today. That's funny!
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[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

Bill "Sorni" Sornson wrote:
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>> Bill "Sorni" Sornson wrote:
>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>> Bill "Sorni" Sornson wrote:
>>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>>>>> ...(Just in time for -- God Forbid! -- Hillary...
>>>>>> Hillary Clinton is a corporatist
>>>>> You mean because she trashes Exxon-Mobil while secretly owning its
>>>>> stock? LOL
>>>>>
>>>>>> and no friend of labor.
>>>>> Yeah, but Labor doesn't recognize this.
>>>> Actually, the Republican's better hope that Hillary Clinton wins the
>>>> Democratic nomination, since she turns off labor more than any
>>>> Democratic candidate since Joe Lieberman (who has been elected in
>>>> large part by cross-voting Republicans).
>>>>
>>>>>> Why does the
>>>>>> political right hate her so much?
>>>>> For the same reason the political left loves her so much. (Hint:
>>>>> lies and opportunism.)
>>>> If Sorni knew what he was talking about he would know that no one on
>>>> the US left likes Hillary Clinton (and they didn't like Bill
>>>> either).
>>> You're delusional, Tom. (Otherwise, insightful commentary!)
>> Hey Sorni,
>>
>> Go to your library and check out some of the left/progressive
>> magazines to see what they say about the Clintons. Or just check out
>> some of the websites of collected opinions. You will hardly find any
>> support for either of them, other than as the "lesser evil".
>>
>> Don't believe what the "left" says/writes based on what you hear on
>> the radio.
>
> So now the "kook lunatic fringe" is mainstream left? Actually, when all all
> the leading Dem prez 'dates attend the Cos Convention and skip the moderate
> Leadership Council, you might be right.

Nope, what has happened is the Democratic party has been mostly taken
over by the same rich campaign donors, leaving NO MAJOR party to support
labor. Win-win for the moneyed classes, lose-lose for those who work for
a living.

> Still, you and all the others will support or at least vote for Hillary,
> won't you? Or can Rudy/Mitt/Fred count on you?!? LOL (You won't back
> Blumberg in large numbers, since that will elect a Republican.)

I would vote for gene daniels as a write in candidate before voting for
Hillary Clinton.

> Bill "too soon to really care about this ****" S.
>
> (PS: You might want to fix your sig file so it's deleted in replies; PITA
> to "erase" it every time.)

My signature file starts with "-- ". What is it supposed to start with?

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[A Muzi]

-snip Hillary-

> Bill "Sorni" Sornson wrote:
>> (PS: You might want to fix your sig file so it's deleted in replies;
>> PITA to "erase" it every time.)

Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> My signature file starts with "-- ". What is it supposed to start with?

Yeah, and why does my 2-line sig sometimes end up all on one line when
quoted? Mysteries abound.
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[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

Andrew Muzi wrote:
> -snip Hillary-
>
>> Bill "Sorni" Sornson wrote:
>>> (PS: You might want to fix your sig file so it's deleted in replies;
>>> PITA to "erase" it every time.)
>
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>> My signature file starts with "-- ". What is it supposed to start with?
>
> Yeah, and why does my 2-line sig sometimes end up all on one line when
> quoted? Mysteries abound.

Note to mention what the latest version of Google does to the
attribution field and it still ignores the signature separator - Google
really aggravated me compared to Thunderbird when my news-feed went down
for a few days.

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[Clive George]

"Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Andrew Muzi wrote:
>> -snip Hillary-
>>
>>> Bill "Sorni" Sornson wrote:
>>>> (PS: You might want to fix your sig file so it's deleted in replies;
>>>> PITA to "erase" it every time.)
>>
>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>> My signature file starts with "-- ". What is it supposed to start with?
>>
>> Yeah, and why does my 2-line sig sometimes end up all on one line when
>> quoted? Mysteries abound.
>
> Note to mention what the latest version of Google does to the attribution
> field and it still ignores the signature separator - Google really
> aggravated me compared to Thunderbird when my news-feed went down for a
> few days.

The sig problems are due to you using a free teranews account - they put a
sig on advertising themselves, so you shouldn't put your own on. If you want
to use sigs, use a better news server...

cheers,
clive

 

[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

Clive George wrote:
> "Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:[email protected]...
>> Andrew Muzi wrote:
>>> -snip Hillary-
>>>
>>>> Bill "Sorni" Sornson wrote:
>>>>> (PS: You might want to fix your sig file so it's deleted in
>>>>> replies; PITA to "erase" it every time.)
>>>
>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>> My signature file starts with "-- ". What is it supposed to start with?
>>>
>>> Yeah, and why does my 2-line sig sometimes end up all on one line
>>> when quoted? Mysteries abound.
>>
>> Note to mention what the latest version of Google does to the
>> attribution field and it still ignores the signature separator -
>> Google really aggravated me compared to Thunderbird when my news-feed
>> went down for a few days.
>
> The sig problems are due to you using a free teranews account - they put
> a sig on advertising themselves, so you shouldn't put your own on. If
> you want to use sigs, use a better news server...

butbutbut, I'm a cheap *******!

Is there a better FREE news server?

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[RonSonic]

On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:49:34 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Tim McNamara wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "Bill Sornson" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>
>>>>> You had better get your head screwed on straight. Hillary was the
>>>>> wife of Bill, who was a liberal if nothing else.
>>>
>>>> Only on matters of reproductive/sexual behavior.
>>>
>>> Red herring.
>>
>> You missed the point. Clinton from a policy perspective was quite
>> conservative. I recently had a chat with someone who worked in
>> Clinton's budget office, who stated that the Clinton Administration
>> quietly de-funded hundreds of "liberal" programs and policy
>> initiatives. Bill Clinton was arguably one of the most successful
>> Republican presidents of the past 50 years, if examined from a policy
>> perspective rather than a party affiliation perspective. Clinton
>> only looked liberal by contrast because Gingrich et al were insane.
>
>So why is he (Clinton) such a rock star among every liberal group out there?
>Blind political partisanship (party-based)?

Because the somewhat-liberal outnumber the moonbat-left. The Moonbat faction
hates the Clintons even more than they hate Republicans - hasn't changed much
since the early seventies really, it's the "liberal establishment" that's the
enemy of the people's revolution. Anyway, somewhat-liberals are a lot closer to
the fat part of the bell curve and although it's easy to be misled by the
relative noise levels they vastly outnumber the whackoes.

Bill Clinton, after some serious missteps got his balance and basically governed
as a moderate. Republican partisans hated him for stealing their issues as much
as the carpet chewers hated him for, well, the same thing.

Moderate Democrats know he's the only Dem to get elected to two full terms since
television and love him for it. Unfortunately they're allowing their party to be
dragged off by the same collection of leftover hippies, rage junkies and protest
sex addicts that's been losing all those other elections for them.

Ron

 

[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

RonSonic wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:49:34 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Tim McNamara wrote:
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> "Bill Sornson" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>>>> You had better get your head screwed on straight. Hillary was the
>>>>>> wife of Bill, who was a liberal if nothing else.
>>>>> Only on matters of reproductive/sexual behavior.
>>>> Red herring.
>>> You missed the point. Clinton from a policy perspective was quite
>>> conservative. I recently had a chat with someone who worked in
>>> Clinton's budget office, who stated that the Clinton Administration
>>> quietly de-funded hundreds of "liberal" programs and policy
>>> initiatives. Bill Clinton was arguably one of the most successful
>>> Republican presidents of the past 50 years, if examined from a policy
>>> perspective rather than a party affiliation perspective. Clinton
>>> only looked liberal by contrast because Gingrich et al were insane.
>> So why is he (Clinton) such a rock star among every liberal group out there?
>> Blind political partisanship (party-based)?
>
> Because the somewhat-liberal outnumber the moonbat-left. The Moonbat faction
> hates the Clintons even more than they hate Republicans - hasn't changed much
> since the early seventies really, it's the "liberal establishment" that's the
> enemy of the people's revolution. Anyway, somewhat-liberals are a lot closer to
> the fat part of the bell curve and although it's easy to be misled by the
> relative noise levels they vastly outnumber the whackoes.
>
> Bill Clinton, after some serious missteps got his balance and basically governed
> as a moderate. Republican partisans hated him for stealing their issues as much
> as the carpet chewers hated him for, well, the same thing.
>
> Moderate Democrats know he's the only Dem to get elected to two full terms since
> television and love him for it. Unfortunately they're allowing their party to be
> dragged off by the same collection of leftover hippies, rage junkies and protest
> sex addicts that's been losing all those other elections for them.

Yeah, the Republicans are better at "purging" voter rolls and at
"counting" votes.

Of course, the 5 whackos that voted for Bush in 2000 must have known
they were doing wrong, since they said their decision should not be used
to establish future precedent.

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[Bill Sornson]

Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:

> My signature file starts with "-- ". What is it supposed to start
> with?

After seeing Andrew's reply, I think I spotted the difference: his sig
delineator (if that's the right word) goes directly below his last text,
while you put a blank line ("return") in first. His sig disappears if I hit
Reply; yours doesn't.

Bill "I just deleted it...again" S.
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[Clive George]

"RonSonic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Moderate Democrats know he's the only Dem to get elected to two full terms
> since
> television and love him for it. Unfortunately they're allowing their party
> to be
> dragged off by the same collection of leftover hippies, rage junkies and
> protest
> sex addicts that's been losing all those other elections for them.

Oooh, so the Democrats are full of protest sex addicts? Where do I join up?
(What does a protest sex addict do? Lots of shagging while saying "ban the
bomb" and the like?)

cheers,
clive

 

[A Muzi]

> "Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:[email protected]...
>>> -snip Hillary-

>>>> Bill "Sorni" Sornson wrote:
>>>>> (PS: You might want to fix your sig file so it's deleted in
>>>>> replies; PITA to "erase" it every time.)

>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>> My signature file starts with "-- ". What is it supposed to start with?

>> Andrew Muzi wrote:
>>> Yeah, and why does my 2-line sig sometimes end up all on one line
>>> when quoted? Mysteries abound.

Clive George wrote:
>> Note to mention what the latest version of Google does to the
>> attribution field and it still ignores the signature separator -
>> Google really aggravated me compared to Thunderbird when my news-feed
>> went down for a few days.
> The sig problems are due to you using a free teranews account - they put
> a sig on advertising themselves, so you shouldn't put your own on. If
> you want to use sigs, use a better news server...

OK for Tom maybe.

I use Thunderbird*. I access through my company's normal paid
mail/net/web hosting ISP. I peruse r.b.t. on usenet, not through an
ad-based interface. My sig file is a Notepad text file with a carriage
return after each line.

[* I liked Netscape Mail better, but the teenage geniuses here tell me
I'm supposed to want Thunderbird]
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[Bill Sornson]

Clive George wrote:

> The sig problems are due to you using a free teranews account - they
> put a sig on advertising themselves, so you shouldn't put your own
> on. If you want to use sigs, use a better news server...

Ah, ha! By (Clive) George, you've solved the case.

 

[Bill Sornson]

A Muzi wrote:
>> "Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> message news:[email protected]...
>>>> -snip Hillary-
>
>>>>> Bill "Sorni" Sornson wrote:
>>>>>> (PS: You might want to fix your sig file so it's deleted in
>>>>>> replies; PITA to "erase" it every time.)
>
>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>> My signature file starts with "-- ". What is it supposed to start
>>>>> with?
>
>>> Andrew Muzi wrote:
>>>> Yeah, and why does my 2-line sig sometimes end up all on one line
>>>> when quoted? Mysteries abound.
>
> Clive George wrote:
>>> Note to mention what the latest version of Google does to the
>>> attribution field and it still ignores the signature separator -
>>> Google really aggravated me compared to Thunderbird when my
>>> news-feed went down for a few days.
>> The sig problems are due to you using a free teranews account - they
>> put a sig on advertising themselves, so you shouldn't put your own
>> on. If you want to use sigs, use a better news server...
>
> OK for Tom maybe.
>
> I use Thunderbird*. I access through my company's normal paid
> mail/net/web hosting ISP. I peruse r.b.t. on usenet, not through an
> ad-based interface. My sig file is a Notepad text file with a carriage
> return after each line.
>
> [* I liked Netscape Mail better, but the teenage geniuses here tell me
> I'm supposed to want Thunderbird]

FWIW, Andrew, your sig has always appeared perfectly normal on my
newsreader. Never jammed onto one line or whatever...

 

[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

Bill Sornson wrote:
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>
>> My signature file starts with "-- ". What is it supposed to start
>> with?
>
> After seeing Andrew's reply, I think I spotted the difference: his sig
> delineator (if that's the right word) goes directly below his last text,
> while you put a blank line ("return") in first. His sig disappears if I hit
> Reply; yours doesn't.
>
> Bill "I just deleted it...again" S.

When I open my own posts, everything after the separator is in gray
instead of black [1]. If I then hit reply, the separator and everything
after it is NOT included in the quoted text.

[1] Old Netscape Communicator feature carried on by the functionally
similar Thunderbird.
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[Bill Sornson]

Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> Bill Sornson wrote:
>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>
>>> My signature file starts with "-- ". What is it supposed to start
>>> with?
>>
>> After seeing Andrew's reply, I think I spotted the difference: his
>> sig delineator (if that's the right word) goes directly below his
>> last text, while you put a blank line ("return") in first. His sig
>> disappears if I hit Reply; yours doesn't.
>>
>> Bill "I just deleted it...again" S.
>
> When I open my own posts, everything after the separator is in gray
> instead of black [1]. If I then hit reply, the separator and
> everything after it is NOT included in the quoted text.
>
> [1] Old Netscape Communicator feature carried on by the functionally
> similar Thunderbird.
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Clive spotted it. It's due to the auto-ad added at end.

 

[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

Andrew Muzi wrote:
>> "Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> message news:[email protected]...
>>>> -snip Hillary-
>
>>>>> Bill "Sorni" Sornson wrote:
>>>>>> (PS: You might want to fix your sig file so it's deleted in
>>>>>> replies; PITA to "erase" it every time.)
>
>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>> My signature file starts with "-- ". What is it supposed to start
>>>>> with?
>
>>> Andrew Muzi wrote:
>>>> Yeah, and why does my 2-line sig sometimes end up all on one line
>>>> when quoted? Mysteries abound.
>
> Clive George wrote:
>>> Note to mention what the latest version of Google does to the
>>> attribution field and it still ignores the signature separator -
>>> Google really aggravated me compared to Thunderbird when my news-feed
>>> went down for a few days.
>> The sig problems are due to you using a free teranews account - they
>> put a sig on advertising themselves, so you shouldn't put your own on.
>> If you want to use sigs, use a better news server...
>
> OK for Tom maybe.
>
> I use Thunderbird*. I access through my company's normal paid
> mail/net/web hosting ISP. I peruse r.b.t. on usenet, not through an
> ad-based interface.

I have No Additional Charge Internet access bundled with my rent from
Trinicor Technology which ultimately uses AT&T/SBC DSL lines. Usenet
feed is NOT part of the services, as far as I can tell [1].

> My sig file is a Notepad text file with a carriage return after each line.

Same thing here.

> [* I liked Netscape Mail better, but the teenage geniuses here tell me
> I'm supposed to want Thunderbird]

What is the difference? Functionally and appearance wise, they are about
the same.

[1] My total documentation is the Trinicor help line number.

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[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

Bill Sornson wrote:
> Clive George wrote:
>
>> The sig problems are due to you using a free teranews account - they
>> put a sig on advertising themselves, so you shouldn't put your own
>> on. If you want to use sigs, use a better news server...
>
> Ah, ha! By (Clive) George, you've solved the case.

That doesn't make sense - only the first separator should matter [1].

[1] Works this way for Thunderbird.

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[Bill Sornson]

Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> Bill Sornson wrote:
>> Clive George wrote:
>>
>>> The sig problems are due to you using a free teranews account - they
>>> put a sig on advertising themselves, so you shouldn't put your own
>>> on. If you want to use sigs, use a better news server...
>>
>> Ah, ha! By (Clive) George, you've solved the case.
>
> That doesn't make sense - only the first separator should matter [1].
>
> [1] Works this way for Thunderbird.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

I see your sig in gray (faded), too. BUT, I think most newsreaders only
delete the text after the /last/ separator. (See how your sig appears
above, which the auto-ad is gone?)

Bill "you're delaying my nap time" S.

 

[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

Bill Sornson of Pre-retirement Ink wrote:
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>> Clive George wrote:
>>>
>>>> The sig problems are due to you using a free teranews account - they
>>>> put a sig on advertising themselves, so you shouldn't put your own
>>>> on. If you want to use sigs, use a better news server...
>>> Ah, ha! By (Clive) George, you've solved the case.
>> That doesn't make sense - only the first separator should matter [1].
>>
>> [1] Works this way for Thunderbird.
>>
>> --
>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
>> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>
> I see your sig in gray (faded), too. BUT, I think most newsreaders only
> delete the text after the /last/ separator. (See how your sig appears
> above, which the auto-ad is gone?)
>
> Bill "you're delaying my nap time" S.

I think Sorni's problem is that he is using micro$oft Outlook Express,
which has some weird functions. Or the problem could be with micro$oft
MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138.

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[Bill Sornson]

Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> Bill Sornson of Pre-retirement Ink wrote:
>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>> Clive George wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The sig problems are due to you using a free teranews account -
>>>>> they put a sig on advertising themselves, so you shouldn't put
>>>>> your own on. If you want to use sigs, use a better news server...
>>>> Ah, ha! By (Clive) George, you've solved the case.
>>> That doesn't make sense - only the first separator should matter
>>> [1]. [1] Works this way for Thunderbird.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
>>> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>>
>> I see your sig in gray (faded), too. BUT, I think most newsreaders
>> only delete the text after the /last/ separator. (See how your sig
>> appears above, which the auto-ad is gone?)
>>
>> Bill "you're delaying my nap time" S.
>
> I think Sorni's problem is that he is using micro$oft Outlook Express,
> which has some weird functions. Or the problem could be with micro$oft
> MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

I think Johnny's problem is that he's reverting to third-person
people-addressing! LOL

Bill "like, whatever, dude" S.