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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:13:56 -0500, "Keats" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I haven't seen any talk from either party about education. Bush has
>> his "no child left behind" but I haven't seem anyone except him hyping
>> that. In addition, the only hype I've seen out of that is the
>> ill-designed concept of standardized testing. That just leads to
>> standardized education and teaching to the test. The fact that some
>> urban school systems are failing should not be used to penalize and
>> handicap suburban school systems that work - but that's the effect of
>> standardized testing.
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>Why do I have the strong feeling that you belong to a teachers union?
The only logical answer to that question is "because you don't have a
clue".
FWIW, I'm none too fond of unions in general or the teachers union in
particular. More importantly, it's obvious that you haven't seen the
hands-on effect of what happens when the state starts dictating
universal tests. It leads directly to state dictated curriculum, a
horrible idea. It ruins good schools that were doing their job, and it
doesn't make any difference in the schools that weren't doing their
job.
>>>As Walter Williams said avoiding long-term poverty is not rocket science.
>>>Graduate from high school. Get married before you have children and stay
>>>married. Get a job and increase your skills. Don't be a criminal.
>>>Nothing
>>>too complicated there, eh? Find me a democrat saying these things and
>>>I'll
>>>show you a extraordinarily good democrat. But unfortunately this language
>>>isn't part of their talking points or of your own thoughts and speech.
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>> You left out the part about "take a job, any job, at minimum wage"
>> (paraphrased) from your earlier post. That is a prescription for life
>> long poverty.
>>
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>I didn't know that a kid taking a minimum wage job also got a prescription
>for life long poverty, but that could certainly explain why democrats and
>other liberals are so determined to perpetuate the minimum wage system.
Your quote doesn't apply that phrase to "kids".
>> I haven't seen any talk from either party about education. Bush has
>> his "no child left behind" but I haven't seem anyone except him hyping
>> that. In addition, the only hype I've seen out of that is the
>> ill-designed concept of standardized testing. That just leads to
>> standardized education and teaching to the test. The fact that some
>> urban school systems are failing should not be used to penalize and
>> handicap suburban school systems that work - but that's the effect of
>> standardized testing.
>
>
>Why do I have the strong feeling that you belong to a teachers union?
The only logical answer to that question is "because you don't have a
clue".
FWIW, I'm none too fond of unions in general or the teachers union in
particular. More importantly, it's obvious that you haven't seen the
hands-on effect of what happens when the state starts dictating
universal tests. It leads directly to state dictated curriculum, a
horrible idea. It ruins good schools that were doing their job, and it
doesn't make any difference in the schools that weren't doing their
job.
>>>As Walter Williams said avoiding long-term poverty is not rocket science.
>>>Graduate from high school. Get married before you have children and stay
>>>married. Get a job and increase your skills. Don't be a criminal.
>>>Nothing
>>>too complicated there, eh? Find me a democrat saying these things and
>>>I'll
>>>show you a extraordinarily good democrat. But unfortunately this language
>>>isn't part of their talking points or of your own thoughts and speech.
>
>
>>
>> You left out the part about "take a job, any job, at minimum wage"
>> (paraphrased) from your earlier post. That is a prescription for life
>> long poverty.
>>
>
>I didn't know that a kid taking a minimum wage job also got a prescription
>for life long poverty, but that could certainly explain why democrats and
>other liberals are so determined to perpetuate the minimum wage system.
Your quote doesn't apply that phrase to "kids".
