"Kyle Legate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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But E-caps aren't placebos, they are an easy, convenient way to get your sodium and other electrolytes to replace what you lose in sweat, and help stave off cramping and dehydration. They won't do much for a 40 minute crit, but can make you have a much better day in a long, hot road race.
So is a bag of chips and a bottle of water. No amount of supplementation can replace real food.
You carry chips in your jersey pocket (and also try to eat them) during a race? Seriously? Ewww. Well, more power to ya.
I replace my electrolytes mostly after the ride. On-bike electrolyte input amounts to energy drink (used to the Cytomax or Revenge, but I haven't seen them where I live now) and a banana and/or another piece of fruit.
Of course I wouldn't expect idiots to know what e-caps were but then not everyone is trdina. Psst - perfectly legal vitamin suppliment and lots of people swear by them. I think that they actually do have some effect but it is difficult to pin it down.
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How the hell do you know what someone is scarfing down? Not a bad idea. Do it in public, no hesitation, offer some around and you're probably covered until you get tested. Hide it in plain sight works a lot more than we'd think.
Or psychological warfare. All your competitors will think you're on some new and wonderful drug and won't even bother to attempt to chase you down.
That assumes a high IQ level of your competitors. Most are too dumb to psych out.
What about doping for training ride victories? That's never been discussed.
Also, I couldn't find a link to the actual product, but have instead added an interesting link to a blog with a testimonial about Snyder's of Hanover Coney Island Hot Dog flavored potato chips. Sounds pretty revolting to me.
"Richard Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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>Seems to me taking electrolyte-mineral tabs along the way isn't a very >effective delivery system. I've been using this ELETE >(http://www.paklyte.com/) for a few months and it works ok, no cramps >and not all the damn sugar of 'sports drinks' > >
There is no "energy" in the ELETE alone, because there are no calories
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it. I hope you are eating during your rides, since you sure aren't
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any carbs.
Eat a good dinner night before. Eat a banana and a bowl of this killer museli from Trader Joe's, with figs 'n rasins 'n other good stuff for breakfast. Take Clif bar along if I should need it. Mostly I need water, but now and then need some extra energy before long climbs, etc. Sometimes keep a Gu in reserve.
Yep, I do this too sometimes- on winter training rides when I'm sick of my accelerade, want to suffer a little, and don't care about my performance. But if you're doing long road races without taking in any carbs, your performance is suffering.
Well, with that stuff I'm good for at least one 800' and one 2,500' climb, along with hammering away in whatever headwinds/crosswinds I encounter in a ride up to 70 miles.
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Carl Sundquist said:
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>Eat a good dinner night before. Eat a banana and a bowl of this >killer museli from Trader Joe's, with figs 'n rasins 'n other good >stuff for breakfast. <snip>
Unfortunately, those of us in the middle of the country mostly have to
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without Trader Joe's, unless, of course, you're willing to do the
shipping
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for us.
My pantry could really use a re-stock of India Relish and Italian
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right now.
How bad do you want it?
Not quite bad enough to drive 1200 miles round trip to pick some up at my nearest TJ's, but they're both damn good stuff.
Cripes, where do you live? There is a trader joes website which lists the stores. I know they're as far east as Michigan.
Hey Bill, what "drugs" come as pills? Next we'll have trdina telling us that it was EPO and HGH in those pills.
I would say ephedrine, pseudoephedrine, caffeine (legal, and the most likely explanation) and also, possibly, cortico-steroids (in high dose they have an effect - not many docs know this but ask the Euro's or someone with specialist knowledge of sporting drugs).
lemme get this straight, e-caps are performance enhancing, but rHGH isn't. The implementation by the UCI and the IOC of a test for recombinant HGH in endurance sports is mere political posturing, and will only catch wannabe losers that have been duped into shelling out thousands of dollars for a placebo effect.
You'd wanna be an idiot to take the stuff, but I think you're running your mouth off a bit to say HGH doesn't have positive effects for endurance athletes (in terms of performance not health). I haven't seen a clinical trial on the stuff, but there are a number of theoretical reasons why it would be a benefit. I've seen a rider take it, win an A grade club race and go top 20 in an open (equiv to pro/1/2 and pro race respectively), having been B grade (cat 2/3) at best. Then he stopped using, and was back to B grade.
I've seen the website and it's frustrating, damn frustrating they don't have a mail order division I tell you. Hell, they can keep the 2 Buck for all I care, it's the other private label TJ stuff I mainly want.
If you look at the locations, you'll notice there is a big hole in the central and southern parts of the US. Even if you lived in Denver, your closest store would still be Santa Fe, NM.
I've seen the website and it's frustrating, damn frustrating they don't have a mail order division I tell you. Hell, they can keep the 2 Buck for all I care, it's the other private label TJ stuff I mainly want.
If you look at the locations, you'll notice there is a big hole in the central and southern parts of the US. Even if you lived in Denver, your closest store would still be Santa Fe, NM.
Man. That's sad. TJ's just took over a big failing grocery in downtown Santa Cruz, so I figure it'll become the TJ's equivilent of a Meijer. I just hope they carry some of the stuff the mini TJ's near me dropped.
If you want some food, ask, I could probably ship you a couple jars wrapped in old socks :-)
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"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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"hold my beer and watch this..." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Tom, you [censored] idiot, the whole point of this [censored] thread is that > there's no testing in local P12 races, and guys could do all the speed
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> whatever else) that they wanted and no one would find out.
Psst. So what? When you know some jackass is doping you just ignore
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results. You shut them out. No one races against them. Oh, that's right, YOU'RE such a [censored] that you want to beat them.
Sorry Tom, I (and I'm sure that most of my fellow competetors) can't tell
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someone is doping just by looking at them, as you no doubt can.
It's AMATEUR RACING you dumb [censored]. That means that even if you WIN you're still a big zero. And particularly if we're really discussing you.
This thread is about P/1/2 racing, what do you think the "P" stands for ?
Not to mention it is a sanctioned sport with rules, people work hard for their results and there is cash for grabs and good performances in non-UCI races can lead to bigger things.
