P,1,2 Dope Testing

"h squared" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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do you register as brian big gun trdina, or is that normally how people
refer to you?

Kunich's old lady registered me.

Thanks,
Big Gun

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"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Of course I wouldn't expect idiots to know what e-caps were but then not
everyone is trdina. Psst - perfectly legal vitamin suppliment and lots

of

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people swear by them. I think that they actually do have some effect but

it

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is difficult to pin it down.

You mean those expensive placebos that [censored] masters [censored] buy? Yeah,
I've heard of them.

You were, of course, referring to someone besides me?

Actually, my coach has a difficult time getting me to remember to use that
stuff, and an even more difficult time getting me to drink Endurox and such
after races.

But E-caps aren't placebos, they are an easy, convenient way to get your
sodium and other electrolytes to replace what you lose in sweat, and help
stave off cramping and dehydration. They won't do much for a 40 minute
crit, but can make you have a much better day in a long, hot road race.

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Seems to me taking electrolyte-mineral tabs along the way isn't a very
effective delivery system. I've been using this ELETE
(http://www.paklyte.com/) for a few months and it works ok, no cramps
and not all the damn sugar of 'sports drinks'

There is no "energy" in the ELETE alone, because there are no calories in
it. I hope you are eating during your rides, since you sure aren't drinking
any carbs.

Yeah, I was just about to ask that question. I frequently pop a couple
vitamin E and C 's during longer events. Heh, must be some sore losers out
there.

Ken

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I wonder what my competitors think when I pop some electrolyte/trace
mineral pills after 70 miles.....

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"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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I can remember old timers in the
German Club talking about the drugs guys used in crits like

Somerville
back

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in the early 1950s. Testing would get the more blatantly detectable

drugs,

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like speed. But there are plenty available to US riders that aren't

easily

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detected---EPO, HGH, Insulin.

I doubt that local guys are doing EPO or HGH, but ephedrine, guifeisen
(sp?), and the [censored] that you can buy at GNC that tells you not to take
it if
you're subject to IOC testing almost certainly gets used.

--
BJC

Ken Papai said:

took E-caps for a season -- didn't do anything for
me that an extra 5-6 hours week would.

Sounds like a wonder drug.

Ewoud Dronkert said:

On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 02:59:28 GMT, Ken Papai wrote:

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took E-caps for a season -- didn't do anything for
me that an extra 5-6 hours week would.

Sounds like a wonder drug.

They're no more dangerous than orange juice.

On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 02:59:28 GMT, "Ken Papai" <[email hidden]>

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I was a [censored] once and took E-caps for a
season -- didn't do anything for
me that an extra 5-6 hours week would.

Wow, that's a huge benefit. I should try them I guess.

JT

IMKen said:

Yeah, I was just about to ask that question. I frequently pop a couple
vitamin E and C 's during longer events. Heh, must be some sore losers out
there.

And what exactly do you expect them to do for you?

What Brian saw was a guy gobble pills and then, after giving them a little time
to be absorbed, attack successfully. If you snarf mid-race vitamins and then
finish in the pack I doubt anyone suspects anything.

Bob Schwartz
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From: "Tom Kunich" [email hidden]

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Of course I wouldn't expect idiots to know what e-caps were but then not
everyone is trdina. Psst - perfectly legal vitamin suppliment and lots of
people swear by them. I think that they actually do have some effect but it
is difficult to pin it down.

Hey Tom
How the hell do you know what someone is scarfing down?
Not a bad idea. Do it in public, no hesitation, offer some around and you're
probably covered until you get tested.
Hide it in plain sight works a lot more than we'd think.

Hey Bill, what "drugs" come as pills? Next we'll have trdina telling
us that it was EPO and HGH in those pills.

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From: [email hidden] (Tom Kunich)

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Hey Bill, what "drugs" come as pills? Next we'll have trdina telling
us that it was EPO and HGH in those pills.

Flintstones Kids, and a nice psyche job?
--TP

Tom Kunich said:

Hey Bill, what "drugs" come as pills?

How many kinds of "speed" are there?

Tom Kunich said:

Of course I wouldn't expect idiots to know what e-caps were but then not
everyone is trdina. Psst - perfectly legal vitamin suppliment and lots of
people swear by them. I think that they actually do have some effect but it
is difficult to pin it down.

lemme get this straight, e-caps are performance enhancing, but rHGH
isn't. The implementation by the UCI and the IOC of a test for
recombinant HGH in endurance sports is mere political posturing, and
will only catch wannabe losers that have been duped into shelling out
thousands of dollars for a placebo effect.

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In yet another example of dubious cycling behavior, I watched a fellow
competitor pull out a plastic bag half way through the a 70 mile RR, take 2
dubious-looking capsules, then attack a lap later to make a break. Anyone
who races has seen stuff like that go on (especially in the parking lot of
any crit that has more than $1500 in prize money)

I've decided that I'd be willing to spend an extra $5 to 10 on entry fees if
it meant that drug testing would be performed at the race.

Can you give us an example, or two, of something illegal that the
rider in question may have taken that would account for his ability to
make a break a few minutes later (in other words, work RIGHT NOW) that
wouldn't possibly kill him if ingested under race conditions?

About the only thing I can think of that's 1- illegal, and 2- quick
acting enough to help would be amphetimines. You'd have to be a class
A dumbass to ingest speed during a race and NOT expect some
significant potentially fatal side-effects.

Do you really think the rider took speed during a race?

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Seems to me taking electrolyte-mineral tabs along the way isn't a very
effective delivery system. I've been using this ELETE
(http://www.paklyte.com/) for a few months and it works ok, no cramps
and not all the damn sugar of 'sports drinks'

There is no "energy" in the ELETE alone, because there are no calories in
it. I hope you are eating during your rides, since you sure aren't drinking
any carbs.

Eat a good dinner night before. Eat a banana and a bowl of this
killer museli from Trader Joe's, with figs 'n rasins 'n other good
stuff for breakfast. Take Clif bar along if I should need it. Mostly
I need water, but now and then need some extra energy before long
climbs, etc. Sometimes keep a Gu in reserve.

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"hold my beer and watch this..." <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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In yet another example of dubious cycling behavior, I watched a fellow
competitor pull out a plastic bag half way through the a 70 mile RR,

take 2

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dubious-looking capsules, then attack a lap later to make a break.

Anyone

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who races has seen stuff like that go on (especially in the parking lot

of

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any crit that has more than $1500 in prize money)

I've decided that I'd be willing to spend an extra $5 to 10 on entry

fees if

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it meant that drug testing would be performed at the race.

Can you give us an example, or two, of something illegal that the
rider in question may have taken that would account for his ability to
make a break a few minutes later (in other words, work RIGHT NOW) that
wouldn't possibly kill him if ingested under race conditions?

About the only thing I can think of that's 1- illegal, and 2- quick
acting enough to help would be amphetimines. You'd have to be a class
A dumbass to ingest speed during a race and NOT expect some
significant potentially fatal side-effects.

Do you really think the rider took speed during a race?

FWIW, I think so. I have seen and heard of the exact same thing as Brian
described--pop pills then attack shortly thereafter--and I know for a fact
riders have taken what used to be called Beans or Bennies before crits. I
will even confess to doing it experimentally in training when I was a
junior. At the time, speed use was rampant in high-school sports where I
lived. I also think diet pills are abused in the winter by guys that want to
get as lean as you need to be to race at the top levels.

Scott Hendricks said:

About the only thing I can think of that's 1- illegal, and 2- quick
acting enough to help would be amphetimines. You'd have to be a class
A dumbass to ingest speed during a race and NOT expect some
significant potentially fatal side-effects.

Push the medical textbook to the side. It's interfering with you're
comprehension.

"Suz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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But E-caps aren't placebos, they are an easy, convenient way to get your
sodium and other electrolytes to replace what you lose in sweat, and help
stave off cramping and dehydration. They won't do much for a 40 minute
crit, but can make you have a much better day in a long, hot road race.

So is a bag of chips and a bottle of water. No amount of supplementation can
replace real food.

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"hold my beer and watch this..." <brian_trdina@[email hidden]...

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"BJC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Thanks Suz! Sounds like were speaking with a guy who never breaks the
top 20 and now he's suspecting everything!
:

http://www.pacycling.org/2004results/habitat.htm

Wow -- someone's been training well this year. Congrats!
(ever see Chris McReynolds at any races?)

Hey Dumbfuck, knock of your little holy war or you'll be sorry.

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-Ken

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http://www.redroseraces.com/2004/resultdisplay.php?id=35

http://www.bikereg.com/News/Results04/20040626Brownstown.asp

http://www.redroseraces.com/2004/resultdisplay.php?id=20

"Richard Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Eat a good dinner night before. Eat a banana and a bowl of this
killer museli from Trader Joe's, with figs 'n rasins 'n other good
stuff for breakfast. <snip>

Unfortunately, those of us in the middle of the country mostly have to do
without Trader Joe's, unless, of course, you're willing to do the shipping
for us.

My pantry could really use a re-stock of India Relish and Italian Caponata
right now.

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Tom Kunich said:

Hey Bill, what "drugs" come as pills?

How many kinds of "speed" are there?

E takes a while to kick in too. He was probably jut going clubbing
after the race and was in a hurry to get home, hence the attack.