That's because you have to actually race LONG and HARD enough to lose electrolytes. If you actually rode your bike occasionally, especially where it's particularly hot and humid enough, and maybe rode longer than a couple hours - no, RACED longer than a couple hours, you might get a performance enhancing benefit from e-caps.
I'm getting pretty sick of Kenny/Ronde and the rest of you idiots insinuating that everyone is on dope except yourselves. Not everyone that is any good is on dope. And it's not "[censored] masters [censored]" you fool, it's "masters fatties". Get it right.
Warning DO NOT [censored] the rbr women. It could be incredibly dangerous to your ego to say nothing of the dangers of being castrated, psychically or even possibly physically. Good luck guys At least I know who to be afraid of around here ;-) Bill C
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You mean those expensive placebos that [censored] masters [censored] buy? Yeah, I've heard of them.
I was a [censored] once and took E-caps for a season -- didn't do anything for me that an extra 5-6 hours week would.
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That's because you have to actually race LONG and HARD enough to lose electrolytes. If you actually rode your bike occasionally, especially where it's particularly hot and humid enough, and maybe rode longer than a couple hours - no, RACED longer than a couple hours, you might get a performance enhancing benefit from e-caps.
Listen up Ms. Anonymous -- self-deprecating, self-flagellating humor definitely goes straight over your head. Also I think, or believe, that just 5-10% of the pro peloton cheats (dopes) on just an occasional basis.
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I'm getting pretty sick of Kenny/Ronde and the rest of you idiots insinuating that everyone is on dope except yourselves. Not everyone that is any good is on dope. And it's not "[censored] masters [censored]" you fool, it's "masters fatties". Get it right.
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In yet another example of dubious cycling behavior, I watched a fellow competitor pull out a plastic bag half way through the a 70 mile RR, take 2 dubious-looking capsules, then attack a lap later to make a break. Anyone who races has seen stuff like that go on (especially in the parking lot of any crit that has more than $1500 in prize money)
I've decided that I'd be willing to spend an extra $5 to 10 on entry fees if it meant that drug testing would be performed at the race.
Can you give us an example, or two, of something illegal that the rider in question may have taken that would account for his ability to make a break a few minutes later (in other words, work RIGHT NOW) that wouldn't possibly kill him if ingested under race conditions?
About the only thing I can think of that's 1- illegal, and 2- quick acting enough to help would be amphetimines. You'd have to be a class A dumbass to ingest speed during a race and NOT expect some significant potentially fatal side-effects.
Do you really think the rider took speed during a race?
There are people who take speed in the gym. People are dopey. It's possible someone would do it in a race.
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Hey Bill, what "drugs" come as pills?
How many kinds of "speed" are there?
E takes a while to kick in too. He was probably jut going clubbing after the race and was in a hurry to get home, hence the attack.
I used e-caps for awhile and still do. The original ones seemed to take a week of using before you could notice a difference and then you could just tell that you seemed to have a little more endurance and you seemed to recover during a ride just by pedaling a little lighter for awhile. I don't know if it was psycholigical or not but it DID seem like it does something.
The E-cap people recommend that you take the stuff out on the road as well as before and after a race. Friends that use it like that tell me that they can notice a difference. Perhaps a vitamin load helps to metabolize body fat slightly more efficiently? I couldn't say any more about it than I had.
But E-caps are easy to recognize because they are yellowish yeast-looking stuff inside of fairly large clear capsules. Most amphetamines are in pill form, small and colored different colors.
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Of course I wouldn't expect idiots to know what e-caps were but then not everyone is trdina. Psst - perfectly legal vitamin suppliment and lots
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lemme get this straight, e-caps are performance enhancing, but rHGH isn't. The implementation by the UCI and the IOC of a test for recombinant HGH in endurance sports is mere political posturing, and will only catch wannabe losers that have been duped into shelling out thousands of dollars for a placebo effect.
Maybe you ought to remember that they used to smoke cigarettes before a climb to "open the lungs" or recover with a bottle of wine between stages.
HGH hasn't been shown to be of any benefit to endurance athletes but that doesn't mean that it isn't being abused and isn't dangerous to those racers who are abusing it in the misbelief that it gives them some sort of boost.
None that don't light up a drug test like an atom bomb over Hiroshima
What are the chances of a local crit monkey getting tested? I seem to remember seeing something a while ago saying that doping was huge in amatuer/citizen events in Italy. Wouldn't be any surprise to find out that a large number of our hyper-competitive Masters with $7000 bikes attached to $40,000 SUVs that throw a [censored] over whether they were 21, or 23 in the pack sprint were taking anything they could get. Bill C
What are the chances of a local crit monkey getting tested? I seem to remember seeing something a while ago saying that doping was huge in amatuer/citizen events in Italy. Wouldn't be any surprise to find out that a large number of our hyper-competitive Masters with $7000 bikes attached to $40,000 SUVs that throw a [censored] over whether they were 21, or 23 in the pack sprint were taking anything they could get.
I know one stomping regional master who used to use ephedra in key races. Not sure if he still does.
Eat a good dinner night before. Eat a banana and a bowl of this killer museli from Trader Joe's, with figs 'n rasins 'n other good stuff for breakfast. <snip>
Unfortunately, those of us in the middle of the country mostly have to do without Trader Joe's, unless, of course, you're willing to do the shipping for us.
My pantry could really use a re-stock of India Relish and Italian Caponata right now.
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Eat a good dinner night before. Eat a banana and a bowl of this killer museli from Trader Joe's, with figs 'n rasins 'n other good stuff for breakfast. <snip>
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How bad do you want it?
Not quite bad enough to drive 1200 miles round trip to pick some up at my nearest TJ's, but they're both damn good stuff.
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None that don't light up a drug test like an atom bomb over Hiroshima
What are the chances of a local crit monkey getting tested? I seem to
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anything they could get.
Personally I wouldn't worry about it in local races. You can look at a guy on speed and tell it. They have the eyes and the nerves. If someone like that is winning just let the word get around and if he doesn't have an accident make sure he gets tested in the Regoinals or the Nationals.
What sort of one cell life form would dope in a Cat 4 race?
But I do know the type you're talking about. Wouldn't it be funny to have the guy picked up on an illegal drug charge just as he was getting ready for a race and you knew he had the stuff on him?
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Seems to me taking electrolyte-mineral tabs along the way isn't a very effective delivery system. I've been using this ELETE (http://www.paklyte.com/) for a few months and it works ok, no cramps and not all the damn sugar of 'sports drinks'
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Eat a good dinner night before. Eat a banana and a bowl of this killer museli from Trader Joe's, with figs 'n rasins 'n other good stuff for breakfast. Take Clif bar along if I should need it. Mostly I need water, but now and then need some extra energy before long climbs, etc. Sometimes keep a Gu in reserve.
Yep, I do this too sometimes- on winter training rides when I'm sick of my accelerade, want to suffer a little, and don't care about my performance. But if you're doing long road races without taking in any carbs, your performance is suffering.
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whatever else) that they wanted and no one would find out.
Psst. So what? When you know some jackass is doping you just ignore their results. You shut them out. No one races against them. Oh, that's right, YOU'RE such a [censored] that you want to beat them.
Sorry Tom, I (and I'm sure that most of my fellow competetors) can't tell if someone is doping just by looking at them, as you no doubt can.
How many times per week do you get told you're an asswipe?
Can you give us an example, or two, of something illegal that the rider in question may have taken that would account for his ability to make a break a few minutes later (in other words, work RIGHT NOW) that wouldn't possibly kill him if ingested under race conditions?
Gaulish magic potion. Pot Belge Lite(tm) enhanced with essence of LANCE and sheep growth hormone.
Of course I wouldn't expect idiots to know what e-caps were but then not everyone is trdina. Psst - perfectly legal vitamin suppliment and lots of people swear by them. I think that they actually do have some effect but it is difficult to pin it down.
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How the hell do you know what someone is scarfing down? Not a bad idea. Do it in public, no hesitation, offer some around and you're probably covered until you get tested. Hide it in plain sight works a lot more than we'd think.
Or psychological warfare. All your competitors will think you're on some new and wonderful drug and won't even bother to attempt to chase you down.
