OT:The Perfect Political Campaign Button '06



On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 01:26:40 GMT, ST <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 11/2/06 5:32 PM, in article [email protected],
>"John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Sad sad story
>> http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/columns/pressingissues_display.jsp?vnu
>> _content_id=1003345862
>>
>> Thanks Hickey and Sorni -- thanks for the supporting the
>> administration that's making us "safer." Thanks a lot.
>
>Damn John!!!
>There are people of various backgrounds in various situations that commit
>suicide! And you are gonna try (like this story) and use this as fodder to
>Bush bash?!?!?!
>
>You have no idea of the facts or the mental state of the soldier. Are you
>gonna say the guy that fraged his unit and COs in Iraq ALSO had a good
>reason for it????


>I am SURE we could have found as many if not MORE of these types of stories
>to use as protest fodder during WWII.

War for bogus reasons + government that encourages torture.

Both those make Bushco far more responsible for this suicide than the
commander in chief in WWII.

>Luckily we were mostly on the SAME
>SIDE and did not have a groundswell of socialistic movements using whatever
>they could to push their agenda then.. No wait!!! We did........ Communism..

WTF are you talking about? Criticise the war in Iraq and I'm a
socialist? I might well be a socialist for all you know, but I don't
see what that has to do with anything I've written in this thread.

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Bill Sornson wrote:
> (PeteCresswell) wrote:
>
>> The single most worrisome thing I've heard in the past week was the
>> idea that some significant portion of the electorate might actually
>> base their votes on a reduction in gasoline prices in the
>> months/weeks/days leading up to the election.
>
> Worrisome because it was widely believed that HIGH prices were going
> to doom Republicans? That, sir, is called a hypocritical position.
>
> Sorry to break it to you, Pete.
>
> BS (no, really)

PS, Pete: Upon reflection I think you meant "worrisome" in a partisan,
pro-Dem way and not the way I initially read it: worrisome (troubling) in a
/sociological/ way. So I take back the hypocrisy charge. Unless, of
course... :)
 
ST wrote:
> On 11/2/06 3:41 PM, in article
> [email protected], "Ozark Bicycle"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> > di wrote:
> >> "Ozark Bicycle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >>>
> >>> damyth wrote:
> >>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> >>>>> damyth wrote:
> >>>>>> damyth wrote:
> >>>>>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Never have a word and a picture gone together quite so well!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You Bushies should avoid clicking on this link, we all know the
> >>>>>>>> truth
> >>>>>>>> and the truth will hurt ;-)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://www.ozarkbicycleservice.com/gwbperfect.jpg
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Remember to vote the bums out next Tuesday!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Forget the button. Just remember the following when you go to the
> >>>>>>> polls:
> >>>>>>> 1. Iraq war mess
> >>>>>>> 2. Afghanistan (falling back into Taliban hands again)
> >>>>>>> 2. Katrina/FEMA
> >>>>>>> 3. Abramoff
> >>>>>>> 4. DeLay
> >>>>>>> 5. Ney
> >>>>>>> 6. Foley
> >>>>>>> 7. "Scooter" Libby, Karl Rove, Plame affair
> >>>>>>> 8. Terri Schiavo
> >>>>>>> 9. Deficit spending and emergency funding for Iraq war
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If this doesn't get your blood pressure up, nothing will. Throw
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> lying incompetent bums out!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sigh... I know I forgot something:
> >>>>>> 10. Extra-ordinary renditions, splitting hairs re definition of
> >>>>>> "torture", Gitmo, evisceration of Geneva Conventions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You forgot:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 11. Unauthorized wiretaps.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm sure I forgot lots of things.
> >>>
> >>> With a list so long, who could remember it all? :-(
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Which is why a list is useful to
> >>>> remind people that this administration is asleep at the wheel, too
> >>>> preoccupied with corruption.
> >>>>
> >>>> 12. Trail for Osama bin Laden has gone cold, Alec Station (group in CIA
> >>>> tasked with finding bin Laden) has been disbanded.
> >>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/09/AR200609090
> >>>> 1105.html
> >>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13699308/
> >>>> 13. "Duke" Cunningham
> >>>
> >>
> >> Have you ever asked yourself, "With all this corruption. lying, dishonesty,
> >> etc, just why can't the Democrats get elected?" 8 years out of the last
> >> 25 is not a very good track record.
> >
> > Shall I send you a Glass Navel?
> >
>
> You stupid ****-for-brains progressives GOTTA start thinking about who the
> REAL enemy is!!!!! Their are whole groups of cultures out there that are
> taught that non-belivers are infidels.....
>
> Their HIGHER POWER is what they believe! And YOU think they are gonna think
> diplomacy from a MAN is going to change their views!!
>
> When will you stuck-up liberal snobby asses gonna realize NOT EVERYONE
> THINKS LIKE YOU!!!!

Are you a bit smarter than a cockroach, or a bit stupider?

Quick, Henry, the Flit!
 
In article <[email protected]>,
John Forrest Tomlinson <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 04:46:53 GMT, "Bill Sornson" <[email protected]> wrote:

> >Yeah, he's real thick. That's why Kerry's "joke" would have been SO funny
> >if only he could have spit out the words.
> >
> >ROTFL
> >
> Which is funnier, Kerry's remarks or Bush joking after the fact about
> not finding WMDs in Iraq? Oh yeah, the whole premise of the war was a
> joke. So funny. I guess not to the 2,000 plus dead American and the
> tens or hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis. But to Bush it's a
> hoot.

John, anyone with a lick of intellectual honesty could figure out precisely what
Kerry meant by that comment. That, of course, explains why Bush, Tony Snow and a few
of the rest of that bunch are making such a stink about it. That the (so-called
liberal) media has (in general) gone along with it isn't too surprising either. But
what's unfortunate is that, even if Kerry had meant what they're saying, he's still
right:
________________

Lowered standards have hardly remained the property of privateers these days. As
Brad Knickerbocker of the Christian Science Monitor noted, "The Army has had to
recruit more soldiers from the lowest acceptable' category based on test scores,
education levels, personal background, and other indicators of ability." Even
Undersecretary of Defense Chu admitted in July that almost 40% of all military
recruits scored in the bottom half of the Armed Forces' own aptitude test.
________________

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=121072

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In article <[email protected]>,
Mark Hickey <[email protected]> wrote:

> Not one law has been demonstrably broken,

Mark, you're forgetting or ignoring the NSA wiretapping issue, for one thing. The
FISA rules state that all electronic surveilance will be approved by a court order
going through the FISA court. The argument has been that it takes too long to get
this court order - but FISA rules state that surveillance can be started and within
72 hours they must be approved by a FISA judge. Now, these judges are known for
approving on the slimmest of reasons at all hours of the day and night, so that
argument goes out the window. The simple fact is Bush and co. chose not to go
through the courts because they were surveilling people that the judges might not
approve of. No not terrorists, but political opponents. The admin. has refused to
give a list of who they've been spying on, but recent FOI casees by the ACLU show
that the NSA was spying on several groups that had opposed the Iraq war, such as a
Quaker group.

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Howard

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di wrote:
> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Sorni,
>>
>> If these guys can see through Bushco, how come you can't?
>>
>> http://movies.crooksandliars.com/TSR-SullivanHitchens.wmv
>>
>> Better late than never.
>> --
>> JT
>
>
> Wow, from CNN, that must really be unbiased

Tomlinson is still in denial about a LOT of things, apparently, including
that I can even see his little love notes. (You're PLONKED, Flogger! LOL )
 
Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> > Sorni,
> >
> > If these guys can see through Bushco, how come you can't?
> >
> > http://movies.crooksandliars.com/TSR-SullivanHitchens.wmv
> >
> > Better late than never.
> >
>
> Hey, some people still think Nixon was driven from office unfairly.
> Their President was not a crook!




Dumbass -


Even if he wasn't a crook, it was time to resign. Any president with a
9% approval rating has zero ability to get things done.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.
 
In article
<[email protected].
com>,
Howard Kveck <[email protected]> wrote:

> Lowered standards have hardly remained the property of privateers these days. As
> Brad Knickerbocker of the Christian Science Monitor noted, "The Army has had to
> recruit more soldiers from the lowest acceptable' category based on test scores,
> education levels, personal background, and other indicators of ability." Even
> Undersecretary of Defense Chu admitted in July that almost 40% of all military
> recruits scored in the bottom half of the Armed Forces' own aptitude test.

The army is an honorable profession. People who score
low are not low. Nevertheless, scoring low is held
against them, and the vicious cycle perpetuates itself.
The army teaches self-discipline. The army is a route
to the mainstream, and there is nothing wrong with the
mainstream.

--
Michael Press
 
On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 21:23:37 -0600, "di" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Sorni,
>>
>> If these guys can see through Bushco, how come you can't?
>>
>> http://movies.crooksandliars.com/TSR-SullivanHitchens.wmv
>>
>> Better late than never.
>> --
>
>Wow, from CNN, that must really be unbiased

In general, it's pro status quo and not very questioning of US busines
and government interests and very accepting of misinformation and spin
from our government. Whether that can be termed bias I don't know ---
I think it's more cowardice.

But the two speakers were *active* supporters of the war in the past,
so the point of that episode is showing how things have changed.
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On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 07:07:36 GMT, "Bill Sornson" <[email protected]> wrote:

>di wrote:
>> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Sorni,
>>>
>>> If these guys can see through Bushco, how come you can't?
>>>
>>> http://movies.crooksandliars.com/TSR-SullivanHitchens.wmv
>>>
>>> Better late than never.
>
>> Wow, from CNN, that must really be unbiased
>
>Tomlinson is still in denial about a LOT of things, apparently, including
>that I can even see his little love notes.
> (You're PLONKED, Flogger! LOL )

Denial about what? Are you saying I've become more bold in pointing
out your idiocy since you killfiled me? No, that's not true.

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On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 21:23:37 -0600, "di" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Sorni,
>>
>> If these guys can see through Bushco, how come you can't?
>>
>> http://movies.crooksandliars.com/TSR-SullivanHitchens.wmv
>>
>> Better late than never.
>Wow, from CNN, that must really be unbiased

Question for Di: Do you think the war in Iraq is going well, or can
ever go well?

Oh yeah, I forgot -- reality has a liberal bias....
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> Oh yeah, I forgot -- reality has a liberal bias....

That explains why Bush has anti-matter instead of brain matter.
 
"John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 21:23:37 -0600, "di" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> Sorni,
>>>
>>> If these guys can see through Bushco, how come you can't?
>>>
>>> http://movies.crooksandliars.com/TSR-SullivanHitchens.wmv
>>>
>>> Better late than never.
>>Wow, from CNN, that must really be unbiased
>
> Question for Di: Do you think the war in Iraq is going well, or can
> ever go well?
>
> Oh yeah, I forgot -- reality has a liberal bias....
> --
> JT

I don't think it's going as well as it could, but It's not going as bad as
you are duped into believing, it depends who you talk to if it's going well
or not. Talk to the soldiers that have been there, it's going pretty well,
listen to the American Media, it's a disaster. Turn off NBC, ABC, CBS,
CNN, & New York Times, talk to people, you just may be surprised.
 
Per Bill Sornson:
>PS, Pete: Upon reflection I think you meant "worrisome" in a partisan,
>pro-Dem way and not the way I initially read it: worrisome (troubling) in a
>/sociological/ way. So I take back the hypocrisy charge. Unless, of
>course... :)

It was more of a comment on how dumb somebody thinks the electorate is.
--
PeteCresswell
 
di wrote:
> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 21:23:37 -0600, "di" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]...
> >>> Sorni,
> >>>
> >>> If these guys can see through Bushco, how come you can't?
> >>>
> >>> http://movies.crooksandliars.com/TSR-SullivanHitchens.wmv
> >>>
> >>> Better late than never.
> >>Wow, from CNN, that must really be unbiased
> >
> > Question for Di: Do you think the war in Iraq is going well, or can
> > ever go well?
> >
> > Oh yeah, I forgot -- reality has a liberal bias....
> > --
> > JT
>
> I don't think it's going as well as it could, but It's not going as bad as
> you are duped into believing, it depends who you talk to if it's going well
> or not. Talk to the soldiers that have been there, it's going pretty well,
> listen to the American Media, it's a disaster. Turn off NBC, ABC, CBS,
> CNN, & New York Times, talk to people, you just may be surprised.

Who are these people you talk to? Let me remind you that military
casualties are trending upward, not downward, according to numbers
released by the Department of Defense. 83 military casualties in
October set a record for '06. By that metric alone, "Iraq war" and
"going well" shouldn't even be uttered in the same breath.

I love how die hard right wingnuts always blame the media for "bias."
That used to be a daily Bush administration complaint. You'll notice
that the administration no longer use this charge, the gravity and
reality is finally sinking in. Harping on liberal media bias just
makes you look like you're further removed from reality, in deep
denial, and the administration knows the they should not be giving this
perception right before the election.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5506353
If anything, read the 2 paragraphs preceding "A Brother's Investigation"
 
di wrote:
> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Question for Di: Do you think the war in Iraq is going well, or can
> > ever go well?
> >
> > Oh yeah, I forgot -- reality has a liberal bias....
> > --
> > JT
>
> I don't think it's going as well as it could, but It's not going as bad as
> you are duped into believing, it depends who you talk to if it's going well
> or not. Talk to the soldiers that have been there, it's going pretty well,

http://www.zogby.com/NEWS/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075

" * Le Moyne College/Zogby Poll shows just one in five troops want
to heed Bush call to stay "as long as they are needed"
* While 58% say mission is clear, 42% say U.S. role is hazy
* Plurality believes Iraqi insurgents are mostly homegrown
* Almost 90% think war is retaliation for Saddam's role in 9/11,
most don't blame Iraqi public for insurgent attacks
* Majority of troops oppose use of harsh prisoner interrogation
* Plurality of troops pleased with their armor and equipment"

"An overwhelming majority of 72% of American troops serving in Iraq
think the U.S. should exit the country within the next year, and more
than one in four say the troops should leave immediately, a new Le
Moyne College/Zogby International survey shows."

> listen to the American Media, it's a disaster. Turn off NBC, ABC, CBS,
> CNN, & New York Times, talk to people, you just may be surprised.

The young guy I know who's over there is not on your side. Neither is
his family. Not by a long shot.

Admittedly, I recently came across a different young man who spoke in
favor of our presence in Iraq - but he is a 7-year Marine, now running
for public office as a Republican (and miles behind in the polls).

ISTM that at this point, to be in favor of the Iraq adventure, you have
to have swallowed the neo-conservative propaganda hook, line and
sinker. You have to willfully ignore reams of evidence, and pretend
that anyone reporting such evidence must be lying.

You're more likely to do this if you've been trained to almost worship
the Commander In Chief, as career military seem to be trained, and as
that young Republican does.

You're also more likely to do this if you've argued forcefully in
public forums (like this one) that Saddam was behind 9/11, that there
are _obviously_ WMDs ready to go in Iraq, that the Iraqi people will
support our invasion, that GWB is a genius, that Halliburton is really
a charitable non-profit... ;-)

- Frank Krygowski
 
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