only a total fred would use 36-spoke wheels...

[A Muzi]

[email protected] wrote:
> READ THIS:
> http://www.youngwheels.com/opinion.html

Sounds like a guy who's seen a few wheels 'before and after' and is
responsible for what he sells/builds.

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[Michael Press]

In article <[email protected]>,
"Sandy" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Dans le message de news:[email protected],
> [email protected] <[email protected]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :>
> >
> > If you consider being critical of dishonourable market practices
> > 'lame', then i conceed your point from your perspective, i am indeed
> > lame. You are reliant on your aggressive competitive streak to
> > reinforce what you see as your positive self image. That's fine and it
> > works for you. Others achieve their meaning of life by leisure riding
> > or just pottering along in the comforting knowledge that 40 spokes
> > will ensure that continued happiness. No Hippy doctrine here, just a
> > simple wish for people to have some freedom, without being induced
> > through fear into behaviour that serves others.
> >
> Can you actually be more condescending? Would it cause cramps? Are you an
> autodidact, or did you complete a diploma to achieve your skills?
>
> You begin with the slippery introduction of a word that gainsays all the
> fluff that JT is irked by. "Dishonorable" practices of any sort are not
> benign. Marketing is not ipso facto dishonorable. Nor is perpetuating
> truly held yet indefensible beliefs dishonorable.
>
> The logical conclusion of examining a photo or two, showing 32 or 36 spokes
> in wheels, is not that they are frequently used by pros. It is better to
> accept that they are frequently used in specific races where they are
> superior. And that this is, in a racing year, rather few riders, rather few
> races, rather seldom. Because that's the real scene.
>
> > In the interests of international relations i would assert that
> > "Provocational posting competitiveness syndrome" is responsible for
> > many wasted calories. If one wishes to see onseself as amiable, then i
> > would suggest that calling people names, for the expression of an
> > opinion, is not the way to go. It's just a rock you know, beyond that
> > all is fiction.
> >
> > cheers, Nick.
>
> Well, Nick (see, I called you a name, also), I am sure you studied your
> cooly slimy words before publishing them. Let's be simpler, though. You
> write snotty prose, just as we all do from time to time. Or say things in
> the course of a chat. It's not in the forum's rules to be amiable, and
> that's the way it stays. Yet you chose four billious words to try to
> "syndromize" this form of expression? Do let us know the contacts at the
> Institute of Supercilious Stuffed Maillots for Intensive Prattling.

Awesome!

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[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On 13 Apr 2007 16:26:34 -0700, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>http://www.youngwheels.com/opinion.html

"the catalog says that the 8 or 9 speed deep V rim with 14 spokes is
stiff, aerodynamic and easy to build. It is also heavy, slow,
uncomfortable, shifts poorly,"

Slow? Probably not true.

Shifts poorly? That makes zero sense.


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[Morten Reippuert Knudsen]

Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m> wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > On Apr 9, 12:39 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>
> > wrote:
> >> No self-respecting metric century rider would be caught with these things:http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/probikes/ballan_wilier07/...
> >
> > If you bothered to read the article you would have written that the 36
> > hole wheels were for training. He switched to the Campagnolo factory
> > boutique Proton wheels for the RVV.

> You're right:

> http://grahamwatson.com/gw/imagedocs.nsf/PhotosTest/07flan-017000
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/apr07/rvv07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/apr07/rvv07/fs020

> Interestingly, Campy Protons are relatively conventional.

And not tubular... somthing doesn't seem rigt, maybee older neutron or
neucleon wheels?

Secondly Proton doesn't use pre 07 Centaur/Chorus/Record hubs, but
veloce hubs with sealed bearrings.

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[Morten Reippuert Knudsen]

Ron Ruff <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Apr 9, 4:11 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > Yeah, he won by such a big margin I'm sure he would have been happy to
> > ride slower stuff. Sure he would. His 36-hole wheels would have been
> > no liability at all as he was going 45-55kph the last 15 minutes with
> > one other guy 15 seconds ahead of the chase. Sure.

> True... but if he was really riding Protons there wouldn't have been
> much difference. It is a realitively cheap (<$500) and heavy (1640g)
> wheelset, with a low profile rim and 22f 24r spokes.

> Lots of pros are still riding 32-36h box rims for any race with
> cobbles... interesting. Especially when you consider that they do it
> inspite of their sponser's wishes.

Backsted won P-R in 2004 on a Campagnolo Neutron wheelset.

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[Sandy]

Dans le message de news[email protected],
Morten Reippuert Knudsen <[email protected]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m> wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Apr 9, 12:39 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>
>>> wrote:
>>>> No self-respecting metric century rider would be caught with these
>>>> things:http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/probikes/ballan_wilier07/...
>>>
>>> If you bothered to read the article you would have written that the
>>> 36 hole wheels were for training. He switched to the Campagnolo
>>> factory boutique Proton wheels for the RVV.
>
>> You're right:
>
>> http://grahamwatson.com/gw/imagedocs.nsf/PhotosTest/07flan-017000
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/apr07/rvv07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/apr07/rvv07/fs020
>
>> Interestingly, Campy Protons are relatively conventional.
>
> And not tubular... somthing doesn't seem rigt, maybee older neutron or
> neucleon wheels?
>
> Secondly Proton doesn't use pre 07 Centaur/Chorus/Record hubs, but
> veloce hubs with sealed bearrings.

You managed to miss "factory boutique" wheels! Like an outlet store?
Anyway, they seem to work, whether Neutron or Proton, no?
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[G.T.]

Morten Reippuert Knudsen wrote:
> Ron Ruff <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Apr 9, 4:11 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>> Yeah, he won by such a big margin I'm sure he would have been happy to
>>> ride slower stuff. Sure he would. His 36-hole wheels would have been
>>> no liability at all as he was going 45-55kph the last 15 minutes with
>>> one other guy 15 seconds ahead of the chase. Sure.
>
>> True... but if he was really riding Protons there wouldn't have been
>> much difference. It is a realitively cheap (<$500) and heavy (1640g)
>> wheelset, with a low profile rim and 22f 24r spokes.
>
>> Lots of pros are still riding 32-36h box rims for any race with
>> cobbles... interesting. Especially when you consider that they do it
>> inspite of their sponser's wishes.
>
> Backsted won P-R in 2004 on a Campagnolo Neutron wheelset.
>

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2...dex.php?id=/photos/2007/apr07/roubaix07/fs004

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O
> Dethink to survive - Mclusky

brake prep to live!!

P to R is something to see right?

beginning to wonder if total freds run 32 or fewer spoke rims!
as I write that I think you knw when I meet one of these riders guys
outback I kinda wonder
if thier closet back homes filled with superman, spiderman...wonder
woman
suits.

 

[G.T.]

[email protected] wrote:
> O
>> Dethink to survive - Mclusky
>
> brake prep to live!!
>
> P to R is something to see right?
>
> beginning to wonder if total freds run 32 or fewer spoke rims!
> as I write that I think you knw when I meet one of these riders guys
> outback I kinda wonder
> if thier closet back homes filled with superman, spiderman...wonder
> woman
> suits.

Undress for success! - Mclusky

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