My little boy

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Subject: My little boy
From: [email hidden] (hotmoon)
Date: 10/30/2003 9:06 AM Pacific Standard Time
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My little boy had a bad reaction to polio vaccination. He will never
get another vaccination for as long as I am alive.

perhaps you would prefer life in the modern day version of an iron lung for
your boy??

having been raised in the 50's and nursing in the 60's I have never seen
anything sadder than a ward full of folks LIVING in an iron lung

but the choice is yours...unless his
"reaction" was life threatening,,...you have very little to [censored] about...

hawki

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Subject: My little boy
From: [email hidden] (hotmoon)
Date: 10/30/2003 9:06 AM Pacific Standard Time
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My little boy had a bad reaction to polio vaccination. He will never
get another vaccination for as long as I am alive.

perhaps you would prefer life in the modern day version of an iron lung

for

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your boy??

having been raised in the 50's and nursing in the 60's I have never seen
anything sadder than a ward full of folks LIVING in an iron lung

but the choice is yours...unless his
"reaction" was life threatening,,...you have very little to [censored] about...

Excuse me are you mad?
Anth

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Subject: My little boy
From: [email hidden] (hotmoon)
Date: 10/30/2003 9:06 AM Pacific Standard Time
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My little boy had a bad reaction to polio vaccination. He will never
get another vaccination for as long as I am alive.

perhaps you would prefer life in the modern day version of an iron lung

for

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your boy??

having been raised in the 50's and nursing in the 60's I have never seen
anything sadder than a ward full of folks LIVING in an iron lung

but the choice is yours...unless his
"reaction" was life threatening,,...you have very little to [censored] about...

Excuse me are you mad?
Anth

No, Anth, she has real world experience. Polio is a very serious disease.
Roger said his child had a bad reaction to the shot. He did not say _WHAT_ the
reaction was. If it were a couple of days of discomfort, which is significant,
it is still worth having the vaccination.

If the child had a lifethreatening reaction, then obviously, the doctor would
know (you don't think that Roger wouldn't mention that to the MD or that he'd
make this up?) and would not give him the follow up.

Its a matter of risk vs reward, not a simple matter of "Vaccine bad,
Frankenstein always say so!"

Yes and what is the risk of getting polio these days?
Anth

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>Subject: My little boy
>From: [email hidden] (hotmoon)
>Date: 10/30/2003 9:06 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <[email hidden]>
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>My little boy had a bad reaction to polio vaccination. He will never
>get another vaccination for as long as I am alive.
>
>

perhaps you would prefer life in the modern day version of an iron lung

for

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your boy??

having been raised in the 50's and nursing in the 60's I have never

seen

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anything sadder than a ward full of folks LIVING in an iron lung

but the choice is yours...unless his
"reaction" was life threatening,,...you have very little to [censored]

about...

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Excuse me are you mad?
Anth

No, Anth, she has real world experience. Polio is a very serious disease.
Roger said his child had a bad reaction to the shot. He did not say

_WHAT_ the

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reaction was. If it were a couple of days of discomfort, which is

significant,

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it is still worth having the vaccination.

If the child had a lifethreatening reaction, then obviously, the doctor

would

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know (you don't think that Roger wouldn't mention that to the MD or that

he'd

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make this up?) and would not give him the follow up.

Its a matter of risk vs reward, not a simple matter of "Vaccine bad,
Frankenstein always say so!"

http://www.orthomed.com/klenner.htm
Anth

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hotmoon said:

My little boy had a bad reaction to polio vaccination. He will never
get another vaccination for as long as I am alive.

Wrong conclusion to draw -- it's like Mark Twain's cat, which sat on a
hot stove lid, and thereafter would not sit on any kind of stove lid,
hot or cold.

If your boy had a bad reaction to a polio vaccine, then it'd be
reasonable for him not to have another one. It does NOT mean that
it's reasonable to not vaccinate him for anything else.

It would also be good to try to find out what it was that caused the
reaction. If it was an allergic reaction, you should try to find out
which ingredient was the culprit.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Anth said:

Yes and what is the risk of getting polio these days?

It depends on where you are. There's a polio epidemic in Nigeria
these days, for example. And it's being made worse by rumors that the
polio vaccine is targeted at Muslims, to make them ill or sterile.
So, surprise surprise, the parents don't get their kids vaccinated and
the kids get polio!

Various stupid people try to make the argument that because a given
disease is now rare, we don't need to vaccinate for it any more. I'm
going to give you the benefit of the doubt, Anth, and ask if you can
figure out *why* I'm calling those people stupid.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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> >Subject: My little boy
> >From: [email hidden] (hotmoon)
> >Date: 10/30/2003 9:06 AM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: <[email hidden]>
> >
>
> >My little boy had a bad reaction to polio vaccination. He will never
> >get another vaccination for as long as I am alive.
> >
> >
>
> perhaps you would prefer life in the modern day version of an iron lung
for
> your boy??
>
> having been raised in the 50's and nursing in the 60's I have never

seen

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> anything sadder than a ward full of folks LIVING in an iron lung
>
> but the choice is yours...unless his
> "reaction" was life threatening,,...you have very little to [censored]

about...

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Excuse me are you mad?
Anth

No, Anth, she has real world experience. Polio is a very serious disease.
Roger said his child had a bad reaction to the shot. He did not say

_WHAT_ the

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reaction was. If it were a couple of days of discomfort, which is

significant,

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it is still worth having the vaccination.

If the child had a lifethreatening reaction, then obviously, the doctor

would

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know (you don't think that Roger wouldn't mention that to the MD or that

he'd

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make this up?) and would not give him the follow up.

Its a matter of risk vs reward, not a simple matter of "Vaccine bad,
Frankenstein always say so!"

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Yes and what is the risk of getting polio these days?
Anth

It depends on where you live, where you travel to, how widespread vaccination
is in those areas, and on what goods are shipped into your town. The risk of
getting the vaccine is mighty low. If people stop vaccinating, herd immunity
declines and we'll see return of the iron lung wards.

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My little boy had a bad reaction to polio vaccination. He will never
get another vaccination for as long as I am alive.

He would better get another mother. One with an intact brain.

Regards,

Aribert Deckers
--
Homöopathisches Akutmittel bei Asthma

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_akut.htm

(hotmoon) said:

My little boy had a bad reaction to polio vaccination. He will never
get another vaccination for as long as I am alive.

If he dies before you do, you will have achieved your aim.

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hotmoon said:

My little boy had a bad reaction to polio vaccination. He will never
get another vaccination for as long as I am alive.

Don't just leap to that conclusion. The reaction may not have been as
serious as it could have been, and you didn't say what kind of reaction
he had. Besides, his doctor would be the one to make any recommendation
to continue with vaccinations or not.

With the exception of chicken pox, which is just an annoyance for most
children who get it, the immunizations that are required are for
diseases that are known killers; even measles kills about 25% of the
people who get it. There are reasons for the immunizations. Now, there
are reactions that would make any doc decide to not go any further with
the immunizations, but this is a decision that should be made rationally
and not emotionally. I know, easy for me to say, but I fretted after my
kids' DTP shots and MMR shots, looking for the slightest thing that may
be a sign of a problem, but all of them handled them with nothing more
serious than a slight fever - expected - and a bit of extra crankiness
for the rest of the day.

Discuss this with your son's doctor, then make an educated decision.

Kimmer
kimagreenfieldatyahoodotcom

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From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 10/30/2003 12:23 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Various stupid people

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why* I'm calling those people stupid.

Habit.

Jan

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From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 10/30/2003 12:23 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Various stupid people

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why* I'm calling those people stupid.

Habit.

Jan prefers to call people idiots, Jewboys, atheists, perverts,
stalkers, liars etc. She is after all a self proclaimed Christian.

Aloha,

Rich

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Jan

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Anth said:

Yes and what is the risk of getting polio these days?

Ever seen a physically deformed child born to an un (measles) vaccinated
mother?

I have :-(

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>> Subject: My little boy
>> From: [email hidden] (hotmoon)
>> Date: 10/30/2003 9:06 AM Pacific Standard Time
>> Message-id: <[email hidden]>
>>
>
>> My little boy had a bad reaction to polio vaccination. He will
>> never get another vaccination for as long as I am alive.
>>
>>
>
> perhaps you would prefer life in the modern day version of an iron
> lung for your boy??
>
> having been raised in the 50's and nursing in the 60's I have
> never seen anything sadder than a ward full of folks LIVING in an
> iron lung
>
> but the choice is yours...unless his
> "reaction" was life threatening,,...you have very little to [censored]
> about...

Excuse me are you mad?
Anth

No, Anth, she has real world experience. Polio is a very serious
disease. Roger said his child had a bad reaction to the shot. He
did not say _WHAT_ the reaction was. If it were a couple of days of
discomfort, which is significant, it is still worth having the
vaccination.

If the child had a lifethreatening reaction, then obviously, the
doctor would know (you don't think that Roger wouldn't mention that
to the MD or that he'd make this up?) and would not give him the
follow up.

Its a matter of risk vs reward, not a simple matter of "Vaccine bad,
Frankenstein always say so!"

Jan said:

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From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 10/30/2003 12:23 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Various stupid people

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why* I'm calling those people stupid.

Habit.

Wear one and flagellate.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Kimmer said:

hotmoon said:

My little boy had a bad reaction to polio vaccination. He will never
get another vaccination for as long as I am alive.

Don't just leap to that conclusion. The reaction may not have been as
serious as it could have been, and you didn't say what kind of reaction
he had. Besides, his doctor would be the one to make any recommendation
to continue with vaccinations or not.

With the exception of chicken pox, which is just an annoyance for most
children who get it, the immunizations that are required are for
diseases that are known killers; even measles kills about 25% of the
people who get it.

Actually, no; even for malnourished populations of children, it's more
like 10%. But it can kill even in healthy populations, and some of
the sequelae are quite unpleasant, like permanent neurological damage.

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There are reasons for the immunizations. Now, there
are reactions that would make any doc decide to not go any further with
the immunizations, but this is a decision that should be made rationally
and not emotionally. I know, easy for me to say, but I fretted after my
kids' DTP shots and MMR shots, looking for the slightest thing that may
be a sign of a problem, but all of them handled them with nothing more
serious than a slight fever - expected - and a bit of extra crankiness
for the rest of the day.

Discuss this with your son's doctor, then make an educated decision.

Hear, hear. Nobody wants their children to come to harm, but the
hysteria over the (rare) vaccine reactions causes people to forget
the dangers of the diseases against which we vaccinate!

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Nope
But it's easy to sit there and patronise when you have not been bitten.
I live in a society where polio is all but stamped out.
Anth

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Anth said:

Nope
But it's easy to sit there and patronise when you have not been bitten.
I live in a society where polio is all but stamped out.

What do you think would happen if everyone in your society stopped
vaccinating their children?? Do you think that would increase,
decrease or cause no change in rate of polio infection over the next
year, decade, etc?? Please explain your answer.

Hint: The reason that there are no new cases of polio in your society
is because mass vaccination has been so successful. Look at societies
that don't have mass vaccination.

Hint: We live in a world where people travel to the United States and
other modern countries from third world countries where polio is
epidemic. A single carrier could cause a mass epidemic in an
unvaccinated population.

Aloha,

Rich

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Subject: Re: My little boy
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 10/30/2003 3:54 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Nope
But it's easy to sit there and patronise when you have not been bitten.

Truer word were never spoken.

That's a problem here, we have all this advice from those who have not a clue.

Jan

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I live in a society where polio is all but stamped out.
Anth

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