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  1. And what if I have had the vaccine and still carry the disease as a carrier?
    Who gets the blame then?

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    Good luck selfish. The labour laws do not permit your Nazi behaviour in


    my

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    country

    Actually, Nazi behaviour would have meant I'd have been killed at age
    5 when the diagnosis of Diabetes was made. When you use that
    particular description carelessly, you lessen its power.

    If you wish to be accurate, call me brutish or self-interested.
    Selfish, however, is also inaccurate. Do you know what a disease
    vector is? With a surpressed immune system, I'm the first to pick up
    what's going around, and I spread it like a lawn sprinkler. So, if
    someone with no immunizations comes too close, they're going down as
    well.
    See, I actually give a damn about other people's health. Doing so has
    the bonus effect of keeping me healthy.

    Oh, and, if I can prove a reasonable threat to my health exists from a
    easily remedied situation, I have every right to insist my employer
    takes appropriate steps to remedy it. Which might mean said person
    gets to work in the basement, next to the old adding machines.

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    > In article <[email hidden]>, mdd <[email hidden]>


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    > >> >> My little boy had a bad reaction to polio vaccination. He


    will

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    never

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    > >> >> get another vaccination for as long as I am alive.
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    > >> >I never vaccinated any of my three kids, and today they are all


    adults,

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    > >> >and healthier than their contemporaries.
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    > >> >FWIW.
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    > >> It's not worth much. The main reason you can get away with this


    sort

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    > >> of thing is that you're basically leeching off others, who *do*
    > >> vaccinate their kids, thus keeping herd immunity going and


    allowing

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    > >> you a free ride.
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    > > If this is true, what is your problem? Are you concerned with her


    child's

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    > >health? Or are you upset that the child gets a "free ride"?
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    > No, tools, I'm concerend that if everyone tries to use this


    strategy,

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    > it stops working. I don't approve of even implicitly suggesting


    that

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    > not vaccinating is a good idea.
    >
    > -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    > These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    > "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    > were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

    And just a little heads up from those of us with somehing to fear
    because of the refusal of parents to vaccinate their kids:

    I'm immunosuppressed. I have one working kidney that isn't mine, and
    I'm pretty healthy now, partly because I don't run across scads of
    people with whooping cough, rubella, measles et al. Yes, you're
    putting your kids at risk with vaccinations, just as you are when you
    take aspirin, St. Johns Wart, or when you cross the street. But they
    are calculated risks, as is everything else in life.
    So, if you wish to provide your children with an immunization free
    existence, be my guest. Just move to an island somewhere, where your
    kids will not be a real, definable danger to me.
    I will not try to convince you to immunize. But know that your
    children will never be invited into my house, and if one of them comes
    to work one day an a new employee, and I find out, I will get them
    transferred, fired, or demoted to another location. Because your lack
    of concern for MY well being makes them a real risk to me.

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    Subject: Re: My little boy
    From: "Gymmy Bob" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/20/04 7:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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    These deaths were typically caused, not by the diseases, but by the
    disgusting lack of knowledge and handling held by our medical professionals.
    I remember having red (or was it German) measles and being delirious and
    what did the doctor say? "keep him warm. Wrap him up and make him sweat" I
    remember screaming with horrible delusions and overheated body. Nope...had
    to keep warm!


    You do have the correct picture of the problem here. As one prominent
    Orthopath stated: " The patients were not allowed to die, the were murdered by
    their well meaning but stupid doctors."

    This reminds me of the writings of one allopath concerning the handling of a
    patient with smallpox. His advice was to let the patient lie in the filth of
    his sheets for at least two weeks rather than change the sheets daily. He also
    promoted the giving of alcohol and "keeping the patient warm" while keeping the
    windows closed.

    The patients room must have smelled like a pig sty.

    DrC PhD

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    Actually, even today measles kills more in Africa than AIDS.

    Cite?

    http://www.measlesinitiative.org/index3.asp ... which was provided, but you
    snipped it, in the first paragraph:
    "This fact makes measles the single leading cause of vaccine-preventable
    death among children in Africa - more than AIDS, more than tuberculosis, and
    more than malnutrition"

    Also see:
    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5302a2.htm

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    These diseases were NEVER harmless...

    It's just that it's better to catch them in childhood, than as an adult.

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    Never mind that the best way to be "immunized" against them is STILL


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    catch them in childhood.

    If you survived... 1 to 2 out of 1000 will die from measles (even in the
    21st century, and even in the western world)

    Cite?

    http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/pink/meas.pdf --- see page 2 ... this
    is also part of a link that you snipped.

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    This seems to fly against earlier posts you made where you said they did


    NOT

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    get sick. I sincerely doubt that your kids actually got what you


    thought

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    was measles (there are several rash diseases that may seem like a mild


    case

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    of measles). Your kids may not actually be fully immune... and are only


    a

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    plane ride away from getting real measles. (know anyone who has adopted


    a

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    child from China lately?)

    What are you smoking?

    Nothing... I actually read the news:
    http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2004/04/26/hlsb0426.htm

    and
    http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2004/April/21/local/stories/08local.htm

    http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=11244169&BRD=901&PAG=461&dept_id=130069&rfi=6

    zwire.comnews.cfm
    are any of your kids in college in Santa Cruz, CA or Iowa?)

    and
    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=571&ncid=751&e=9&u=/nm/20040416/hl_nm/health_measles_dc

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    FWIW, my kids were in more danger from their constantly sick,


    immunized

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    schoolmates, than they ever were from wild measles, mumps, and
    chicken-pox. BTW, it's generally true that it's the sick kids who


    make

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    healthy kids sick, not the reverse, so actually, my kids were more at
    risk... although, oddly, they rarely got sick. Hmm....

    Hmmmm.... 😉

    I find this hard to believe...

    That's your problem. 🙂

    Not really. I know how to obtain and understand what is real information.

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    Never mind that measles, mumps, and chicken pox used to be harmless
    childhood diseases that never killed anybody.

    [censored]. Rare. But how many were permanently affected?

    le moo

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    Actually, even today measles kills more in Africa than AIDS.

    Cite?

    Blithering idiot. He provided the cite!!! You snipped it.

    moo

  6. (Jan) said:

    Coming from Andrew Kingoff a known liar, and has no kids.

    Says Jan Drew, who hates children so much that he gives "advice" which
    can lead to the death of children.

    More about Jan Drew, the shame of the human race :

    http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/Quackery.html

    Regards,

    Aribert Deckers
    --
    Vollalternative Schmerzbehandlung

    http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amalanc1.htm

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    Actually, even today measles kills more in Africa than AIDS.

    Cite?

    Blithering idiot. He provided the cite!!! You snipped it.

    moo

    It looks like Ms. Goodwin has left m.h.a. ... it seems she has beamed back
    to her fantasy world.

    Oh, and the young lady in California is very very sick:
    http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/nation/8488362.htm ... I'm
    sure she will really want to know why her parents did not have her
    vaccinated (even after the measles epidemic 14 years ago that killed 120
    Americans).

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    Subject: Re: My little boy
    From: "HCN" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/23/2004 7:29 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <5alic.14632$IW1.893976@attbi_s52>

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    HCN wrote:

    > Actually, even today measles kills more in Africa than AIDS.

    Cite?

    Blithering idiot. He provided the cite!!! You snipped it.

    moo

    It looks like Ms. Goodwin has left m.h.a. ... it seems she has beamed back to


    her fantasy world.

    Looks like she was treated badly because she didn't toe the mark of EOM.

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    Oh, and the young lady in California is very very sick:
    http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/nation/8488362.htm ... I'm
    sure she will really want to know why her parents did not have her
    vaccinated (even after the measles epidemic 14 years ago that killed 120
    Americans).

    You forgot these young kids.

    http://www.909shot.com/

    As a member of EOM,you wouldn't be interested in this:

    http://www.whale.to/v/staff.html

    Jan

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    Never mind that measles, mumps, and chicken pox used to be harmless
    childhood diseases that never killed anybody.

    [censored]. Rare. But how many were permanently affected?

    le moo

    Well, Japan has finally gotton serious about measles. It seems to kill 20
    to 30 people there a year...
    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn20040424b4.htm

    Harmless... right...

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  10. Not bad, at less than 1/10 of 1% of what the doctors kill per year.

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    Never mind that measles, mumps, and chicken pox used to be harmless
    childhood diseases that never killed anybody.

    [censored]. Rare. But how many were permanently affected?

    le moo

    Well, Japan has finally gotton serious about measles. It seems to kill 20
    to 30 people there a year...
    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn20040424b4.htm

    Harmless... right...

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