Mountain Bikers SILENT about Environmental Destruction in Their Backyard!

[Edward Dolan]

"S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:hpFfg.15549$B42.9927@dukeread05...

POST RIGHT OR BEGONE!

> WTF are you on about...? Oh no - Did I post on top...? How silly of me..

I will make allowances for bona fide idiots but I had not put Curtiss (he of
the double s') in that class until now. I don't think Vandeman has ever done
an improper post. That ought to tell us all something about who is and who
isn't a scoundrel.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota



> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> Curtiss is getting sloppy in his posting. If he can't post in the proper
>> format, then let him begone. We do not need any more idiots here who do
>> not know how to post.
[...]

 

[Edward Dolan]

"S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:9xFfg.15551$B42.2972@dukeread05...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>>
>>> Hmmm... A lot of the hikers I see are loud, walking all over the trail
>>> and off it, leaving trash behind, carrying and drinking alcohol, being
>>> careless about their own safety and others... Yep. Hikers are
>>> certainly the cream of the crop of humanity.
>>> Don't insult us with your wishful generalizations. You may venture out
>>> with that frame of mind, but do NOT place all hikers in that very small
>>> subset. And, by the same logic, you can not reference all off-road
>>> cyclists' motives based on either your opinion of the activity or the
>>> actions of a minority to which you may (or simply claim to) witness.
>>
>> I have just never seen any slob hikers, whereas I have seen plenty of
>> slob mountain bikers.
>
> Then maybe its you... Perhaps you need a mirror.
>>
>>>>>> Curtiss, I urge you to get to a library and read something that was
>>>>>> written several hundred years ago. Most of what is presently being
>>>>>> written today is not good for you and will rot your brain. I suggest
>>>>>> you begin with Shakespeare and work your way up to the end of the
>>>>>> 19th century. Anything written after 1900 is not good for you and
>>>>>> will make you even worse than you already are. I plead with you to
>>>>>> get some culture and to give up your slob mountain biking ways.
>>>>>
>>>>> So now the great "Conan the Librarian" is pleading....? I don't need
>>>>> Shakespeare to read a tragedy - I can do that by looking at Vandeman's
>>>>> webpage.
>>>>>
>>>>>> PS. Be sure to get to work right away writing the definitive history
>>>>>> of the impact of mountain biking on the modern world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> At least it would be more entertaining than reading the one-word
>>>>> history of the impact of Dolan on the modern world. (Dolan=Null)
>>>>> No thanks - I believe I would rather ride and experience it first
>>>>> hand...
>>>>
>>>> Personal experience is only worth so much. It has to be checked against
>>>> the experience of many others. Those who write books have generally
>>>> thought about a subject quite extensively. Do less riding and more
>>>> writing and maybe you will get clearer in your mind about what matters
>>>> in this world. I assure you that mountain biking matters hardly at all
>>>> whereas what the Great Ed Dolan thinks matters enormously.
>>>
>>> ..and where is the published work of Ed Dolan? (I already know you are
>>> not "Edward F. Dolan".)
>>
>> It is only industrious beavers like yourself who can work their way up to
>> writing anything and getting it published. I am way too lazy for any such
>> endeavors. I am like God that way, it is simply enough that I am.
>
> You are... a waste of space? a blot on the floor? an ego with
> constipation?
>>
>>> Again... I think it is more advantageous I get out on the bike and see
>>> some trees. As far as what the "not so great ed dolan (Conan the
>>> Librarian)" thinks about anything...
>>> http://www.weirdlittlebiscuit.com/images/b3ta/donkey.jpg
>>
>> Nope, I will never go to a link of yours because I do not trust you. But
>> you enjoy looking at your pictures all you want. I shall continue to
>> contemplate my navel as is my custom from my early childhood.
>
> ...and all this time I thought you were a construct from A-51 that got
> loose before being educated....

Curtiss is a wonderful example of a cretin who thinks he knows something. I
place him at the high school level, but a high schooler who has done a bit
or reading on his own. However, that is not good enough for the kind of
world we are living in today. He badly needs instruction by his superiors. I
myself am far too lazy (my very best virtue) to bother with him. No, he will
have to get on in this old world the best he can with what he's got. He will
never go far, but maybe he can stay one or two steps ahead of all the
Mexican peons that are pouring into the country.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Sorni]

Edward Dolan wrote:

> ... I don't think Vandeman
> has ever done an improper post.

OMG. Great One, you've been deceived! The Mad Do(r)c {tm} is one of the
most insipid posters in the history of Usenet (content not even included).
He'll leave ridiculously long amounts of text -- often disjointed at that --
in place just to add a classic "Liar! Duh!" or "Did you say something?".
His posts are often literally undecipherable as to who said what or what's
been added.

To his miniscule credit, however, at least he finally joined the rest of
humanity and began using ">" as a quotation delineator. For YEARS he used a
plain dot "." which truly made his posts unreadable. (Perhaps a good thing,
of course.)

He wasn't named Usenet Kook of the Millennium for nuthin', you know...

Bill S.

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Sorni" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>> ... I don't think Vandeman
>> has ever done an improper post.
>
> OMG. Great One, you've been deceived! The Mad Do(r)c {tm} is one of the
> most insipid posters in the history of Usenet (content not even included).
> He'll leave ridiculously long amounts of text -- often disjointed at
> that -- in place just to add a classic "Liar! Duh!" or "Did you say
> something?". His posts are often literally undecipherable as to who said
> what or what's been added.
>
> To his miniscule credit, however, at least he finally joined the rest of
> humanity and began using ">" as a quotation delineator. For YEARS he used
> a plain dot "." which truly made his posts unreadable. (Perhaps a good
> thing, of course.)

I think the above is a function of the newsreader you are using and nothing
else.

> He wasn't named Usenet Kook of the Millennium for nuthin', you know...
>
> Bill S.

Sorni, I am only going by what I am presently seeing. As you well know, I
will never do any kind of research when it comes to Usenet. Vandeman posts
in the correct format even though he does not do any editing. It is fine to
edit too, but it must be done judiciously and in the correct format. If I
have to choose between those who do too much editing and those who do no
editing, I will go every time with those who do no editing. The reason for
this is that they are not selectively editing to make themselves look good
and the other fellow look bad. It actually takes courage to do this when
others are piling on. Even the redoubtable Tom Sherman could not restrain
himself from doing very selective editing to make himself look good and to
make you look bad.

I feel that Vandeman has gotten a very bad rap on these newsgroups. It
mainly comes from the mountain bikers of course. Vandeman is brilliant in
the way that he responds to posts. He goes right to the heart of the issue
every time. It take brains to do this. I could do it too, but I prefer to
ramble all over the place, give the other fellow a break and get off topic
as much as possible. Vandeman takes newsgroup more seriously than I do. I am
here to play the fool as that is all I think Usenet is good for. But it is
good nonetheless to see some others taking it seriously.

I will only go totally berserk when others bring sexual innuendo into the
conversation. This come from my Great Holiness as a Great Saint. My persona
(Saint Edward the Great) comes right out of the High Middle Ages. My God -
you do not want to mess with this character as He is a Devil of a Saint - a
regular Lucifer in fact. Even I, Ed Dolan the Great, fear Saint Edward the
Great!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:17:34 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:9xFfg.15551$B42.2972@dukeread05...
>>
>> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Hmmm... A lot of the hikers I see are loud, walking all over the trail
>>>> and off it, leaving trash behind, carrying and drinking alcohol, being
>>>> careless about their own safety and others... Yep. Hikers are
>>>> certainly the cream of the crop of humanity.
>>>> Don't insult us with your wishful generalizations. You may venture out
>>>> with that frame of mind, but do NOT place all hikers in that very small
>>>> subset. And, by the same logic, you can not reference all off-road
>>>> cyclists' motives based on either your opinion of the activity or the
>>>> actions of a minority to which you may (or simply claim to) witness.
>>>
>>> I have just never seen any slob hikers, whereas I have seen plenty of
>>> slob mountain bikers.
>>
>> Then maybe its you... Perhaps you need a mirror.
>>>
>>>>>>> Curtiss, I urge you to get to a library and read something that was
>>>>>>> written several hundred years ago. Most of what is presently being
>>>>>>> written today is not good for you and will rot your brain. I suggest
>>>>>>> you begin with Shakespeare and work your way up to the end of the
>>>>>>> 19th century. Anything written after 1900 is not good for you and
>>>>>>> will make you even worse than you already are. I plead with you to
>>>>>>> get some culture and to give up your slob mountain biking ways.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So now the great "Conan the Librarian" is pleading....? I don't need
>>>>>> Shakespeare to read a tragedy - I can do that by looking at Vandeman's
>>>>>> webpage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PS. Be sure to get to work right away writing the definitive history
>>>>>>> of the impact of mountain biking on the modern world.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> At least it would be more entertaining than reading the one-word
>>>>>> history of the impact of Dolan on the modern world. (Dolan=Null)
>>>>>> No thanks - I believe I would rather ride and experience it first
>>>>>> hand...
>>>>>
>>>>> Personal experience is only worth so much. It has to be checked against
>>>>> the experience of many others. Those who write books have generally
>>>>> thought about a subject quite extensively. Do less riding and more
>>>>> writing and maybe you will get clearer in your mind about what matters
>>>>> in this world. I assure you that mountain biking matters hardly at all
>>>>> whereas what the Great Ed Dolan thinks matters enormously.
>>>>
>>>> ..and where is the published work of Ed Dolan? (I already know you are
>>>> not "Edward F. Dolan".)
>>>
>>> It is only industrious beavers like yourself who can work their way up to
>>> writing anything and getting it published. I am way too lazy for any such
>>> endeavors. I am like God that way, it is simply enough that I am.
>>
>> You are... a waste of space? a blot on the floor? an ego with
>> constipation?
>>>
>>>> Again... I think it is more advantageous I get out on the bike and see
>>>> some trees. As far as what the "not so great ed dolan (Conan the
>>>> Librarian)" thinks about anything...
>>>> http://www.weirdlittlebiscuit.com/images/b3ta/donkey.jpg
>>>
>>> Nope, I will never go to a link of yours because I do not trust you. But
>>> you enjoy looking at your pictures all you want. I shall continue to
>>> contemplate my navel as is my custom from my early childhood.
>>
>> ...and all this time I thought you were a construct from A-51 that got
>> loose before being educated....
>
>Curtiss is a wonderful example of a cretin who thinks he knows something. I
>place him at the high school level, but a high schooler who has done a bit
>or reading on his own. However, that is not good enough for the kind of
>world we are living in today. He badly needs instruction by his superiors. I
>myself am far too lazy (my very best virtue) to bother with him. No, he will
>have to get on in this old world the best he can with what he's got. He will
>never go far, but maybe he can stay one or two steps ahead of all the
>Mexican peons that are pouring into the country.

I doubt it. I don't think he can even make a decent burrito or fight a
bull.

>Regards,
>
>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>aka
>Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[pmhilton]

Edward Dolan wrote:
at least he finally joined the rest of
>>humanity and began using ">" as a quotation delineator. For YEARS he used
>>a plain dot "." which truly made his posts unreadable. (Perhaps a good
>>thing, of course.)
>
>
> I think the above is a function of the newsreader you are using and nothing
> else.

The character displayed at the start of each quoted line can be varied;
some newsreaders offer an impressive list of choices. As the above
poster tries to explain, some such characters do not lend themselves to
easy reading. Indeed, some of them even seem to muddy the quoted
material. This is further exacerbated in part to the habit of some
newsreaders' formatting which changes the original's number of
characters per line whle retaining nearly all other formatting. Any
resulting ASCII mishmash is truly undecipherable. While one has little
control overthe latter behavior, one can find a wide variety of markers
to indicate quoted material.

Beyond that, many posters for whatever reason will not snip the
irrelevant portions of the original; after three to seven levels of
reply, the resulting post is often beyond the ability of a middle-grade
cryptographer.

Pete H

 

[S Curtiss]

Amazing how you will take Vandy's word on its own, without even entertaining
the possibility that the hostility generated is from his own actions. You
state a refusal to even conduct a 10 minute search on the history of his
posting on usenet but would still completely disregard the possibility that
so many people of differing backgrounds have shown how his OPINIONS are
often a contradiction or, at least, a misuse of the "science" he claims as a
foundation.
Yet you have also posted negatively towards people of faith, but put the
same type of "faith" in Vandeman and his opinions. I suppose contradictions
attract...

Top posting is fun, low in calories and can lower your cholesterol with a
regular exercise program.

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:hpFfg.15549$B42.9927@dukeread05...
>
> POST RIGHT OR BEGONE!
>
>> WTF are you on about...? Oh no - Did I post on top...? How silly of
>> me..
>
> I will make allowances for bona fide idiots but I had not put Curtiss (he
> of the double s') in that class until now. I don't think Vandeman has ever
> done an improper post. That ought to tell us all something about who is
> and who isn't a scoundrel.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>

 

[S Curtiss]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:9xFfg.15551$B42.2972@dukeread05...
>>
>> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Hmmm... A lot of the hikers I see are loud, walking all over the trail
>>>> and off it, leaving trash behind, carrying and drinking alcohol, being
>>>> careless about their own safety and others... Yep. Hikers are
>>>> certainly the cream of the crop of humanity.
>>>> Don't insult us with your wishful generalizations. You may venture out
>>>> with that frame of mind, but do NOT place all hikers in that very small
>>>> subset. And, by the same logic, you can not reference all off-road
>>>> cyclists' motives based on either your opinion of the activity or the
>>>> actions of a minority to which you may (or simply claim to) witness.
>>>
>>> I have just never seen any slob hikers, whereas I have seen plenty of
>>> slob mountain bikers.
>>
>> Then maybe its you... Perhaps you need a mirror.
>>>
>>>>>>> Curtiss, I urge you to get to a library and read something that was
>>>>>>> written several hundred years ago. Most of what is presently being
>>>>>>> written today is not good for you and will rot your brain. I
>>>>>>> suggest you begin with Shakespeare and work your way up to the end
>>>>>>> of the 19th century. Anything written after 1900 is not good for you
>>>>>>> and will make you even worse than you already are. I plead with you
>>>>>>> to get some culture and to give up your slob mountain biking ways.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So now the great "Conan the Librarian" is pleading....? I don't need
>>>>>> Shakespeare to read a tragedy - I can do that by looking at
>>>>>> Vandeman's webpage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PS. Be sure to get to work right away writing the definitive history
>>>>>>> of the impact of mountain biking on the modern world.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> At least it would be more entertaining than reading the one-word
>>>>>> history of the impact of Dolan on the modern world. (Dolan=Null)
>>>>>> No thanks - I believe I would rather ride and experience it first
>>>>>> hand...
>>>>>
>>>>> Personal experience is only worth so much. It has to be checked
>>>>> against the experience of many others. Those who write books have
>>>>> generally thought about a subject quite extensively. Do less riding
>>>>> and more writing and maybe you will get clearer in your mind about
>>>>> what matters in this world. I assure you that mountain biking matters
>>>>> hardly at all whereas what the Great Ed Dolan thinks matters
>>>>> enormously.
>>>>
>>>> ..and where is the published work of Ed Dolan? (I already know you are
>>>> not "Edward F. Dolan".)
>>>
>>> It is only industrious beavers like yourself who can work their way up
>>> to writing anything and getting it published. I am way too lazy for any
>>> such endeavors. I am like God that way, it is simply enough that I am.
>>
>> You are... a waste of space? a blot on the floor? an ego with
>> constipation?
>>>
>>>> Again... I think it is more advantageous I get out on the bike and see
>>>> some trees. As far as what the "not so great ed dolan (Conan the
>>>> Librarian)" thinks about anything...
>>>> http://www.weirdlittlebiscuit.com/images/b3ta/donkey.jpg
>>>
>>> Nope, I will never go to a link of yours because I do not trust you. But
>>> you enjoy looking at your pictures all you want. I shall continue to
>>> contemplate my navel as is my custom from my early childhood.
>>
>> ...and all this time I thought you were a construct from A-51 that got
>> loose before being educated....
>
> Curtiss is a wonderful example of a cretin who thinks he knows something.
> I place him at the high school level, but a high schooler who has done a
> bit or reading on his own. However, that is not good enough for the kind
> of world we are living in today. He badly needs instruction by his
> superiors. I myself am far too lazy (my very best virtue) to bother with
> him. No, he will have to get on in this old world the best he can with
> what he's got. He will never go far, but maybe he can stay one or two
> steps ahead of all the Mexican peons that are pouring into the country.
>
A reference to my education from Conan the Librarian..? Character
assasination...Name calling... You have been reading from the book of
Vandeman again. Oh well, like I said before, this country is founded on
religious freedom.

 

[S Curtiss]

"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:17:34 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> I doubt it. I don't think he can even make a decent burrito or fight a
> bull.
>
Now you are advocating I engage in the senseless killing of an animal for
recreation...? Will you please make up your mind!?

 

[Edward Dolan]

"pmhilton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
> at least he finally joined the rest of
>>>humanity and began using ">" as a quotation delineator. For YEARS he
>>>used a plain dot "." which truly made his posts unreadable. (Perhaps a
>>>good thing, of course.)
>>
>>
>> I think the above is a function of the newsreader you are using and
>> nothing else.
>
> The character displayed at the start of each quoted line can be varied;
> some newsreaders offer an impressive list of choices. As the above poster
> tries to explain, some such characters do not lend themselves to easy
> reading. Indeed, some of them even seem to muddy the quoted material. This
> is further exacerbated in part to the habit of some newsreaders'
> formatting which changes the original's number of characters per line whle
> retaining nearly all other formatting. Any resulting ASCII mishmash is
> truly undecipherable. While one has little control overthe latter
> behavior, one can find a wide variety of markers to indicate quoted
> material.

I too have been guilty of condemning others for messed up posts when I am
now pretty sure it was their newsreader that was at fault. I use OE
exclusively as my newsreader. I am not a geek and I refuse to become one. A
newsreader should be set up with default settings that do not need to be
messed with in order for the messages to read properly. So far, my OE
newsreader has always done it right.

> Beyond that, many posters for whatever reason will not snip the irrelevant
> portions of the original; after three to seven levels of reply, the
> resulting post is often beyond the ability of a middle-grade
> cryptographer.

I do not believe there is a better editor in all Usenet than yours truly.
But I have been the victim over and over of extremely bad editing. Actually,
it takes brains to know how to edit and it takes time too. You and I both
know that Vandeman would know how to edit, but he does not do it in order to
save time. Curtiss does not do any editing either and for the same reason.

There are advantages to not doing any editing provided the newsreader is
doing the correct signing. It is eminently fair to one and all. I have
gotten very good at quickly getting to the new material and it doesn't hurt
to occasionally review the old material either. But I do agree with you,
that it gets messy after many replies. I would prefer that more editing be
done, but I do not like stupid or dishonest people to do any editing. You
and I would know how to do it without any difficulty.

One thing I will never do is edit to make myself look good at the other
person's expense. That has been done to me too many times and I don't like
it much. But believe you me, I would know how to do it to perfection if I so
chose.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:v5pgg.16630$B42.12942@dukeread05...

ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!

> Amazing how you will take Vandy's word on its own, without even
> entertaining the possibility that the hostility generated is from his own
> actions. You state a refusal to even conduct a 10 minute search on the
> history of his posting on usenet but would still completely disregard the
> possibility that so many people of differing backgrounds have shown how
> his OPINIONS are often a contradiction or, at least, a misuse of the
> "science" he claims as a foundation.
> Yet you have also posted negatively towards people of faith, but put the
> same type of "faith" in Vandeman and his opinions. I suppose
> contradictions attract...
>
> Top posting is fun, low in calories and can lower your cholesterol with a
> regular exercise program.

I am only going by what I see in front of me. The reason I will not do any
research regarding what anyone has previously said on Usenet is that I do
not take this medium seriously. Your many replies to Vandeman is a case in
point. You belabor the obvious over and over to no good end. Vandeman is
quite right to respond to you with one word replies. I am surprised he pays
any attention to you at all. I sure wouldn't.

Try to figure out how to come up with something new to say or get lost.
Everyone is fed up by now with your inane defense of mountain biking on
hiking trails in the wilderness. Have you no shame?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota



> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:hpFfg.15549$B42.9927@dukeread05...
>>
>> POST RIGHT OR BEGONE!
>>
>>> WTF are you on about...? Oh no - Did I post on top...? How silly of
>>> me..
>>
>> I will make allowances for bona fide idiots but I had not put Curtiss (he
>> of the double s') in that class until now. I don't think Vandeman has
>> ever done an improper post. That ought to tell us all something about who
>> is and who isn't a scoundrel.

 

[Edward Dolan]

"S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Capgg.16632$B42.8173@dukeread05...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
[...]
>> Curtiss is a wonderful example of a cretin who thinks he knows something.
>> I place him at the high school level, but a high schooler who has done a
>> bit or reading on his own. However, that is not good enough for the kind
>> of world we are living in today. He badly needs instruction by his
>> superiors. I myself am far too lazy (my very best virtue) to bother with
>> him. No, he will have to get on in this old world the best he can with
>> what he's got. He will never go far, but maybe he can stay one or two
>> steps ahead of all the Mexican peons that are pouring into the country.
>>
> A reference to my education from Conan the Librarian..? Character
> assasination...Name calling... You have been reading from the book of
> Vandeman again. Oh well, like I said before, this country is founded on
> religious freedom.

It is the gentlest sort of name calling. You should hear what others on
these freaking forums have called me. Some one even had the effrontery to
call me a racist and a bigot! Imagine that!

I did not attack anyone's religion, but I will be delighted to do so if you
wish. Please indicate which group you would like me to focus my venom on.
Saint Edward the Great is ever up to the task of attacking (or defending)
any religion. There are so many, I hardly know where to begin. I have many
good things to say about the ancient religion of Zoroastrianism, if you are
interested.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[S Curtiss]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:v5pgg.16630$B42.12942@dukeread05...
>
> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>
>> Amazing how you will take Vandy's word on its own, without even
>> entertaining the possibility that the hostility generated is from his own
>> actions. You state a refusal to even conduct a 10 minute search on the
>> history of his posting on usenet but would still completely disregard the
>> possibility that so many people of differing backgrounds have shown how
>> his OPINIONS are often a contradiction or, at least, a misuse of the
>> "science" he claims as a foundation.
>> Yet you have also posted negatively towards people of faith, but put the
>> same type of "faith" in Vandeman and his opinions. I suppose
>> contradictions attract...
>>
>> Top posting is fun, low in calories and can lower your cholesterol with a
>> regular exercise program.
>
> I am only going by what I see in front of me. The reason I will not do any
> research regarding what anyone has previously said on Usenet is that I do
> not take this medium seriously. Your many replies to Vandeman is a case in
> point. You belabor the obvious over and over to no good end. Vandeman is
> quite right to respond to you with one word replies. I am surprised he
> pays any attention to you at all. I sure wouldn't.

I'm actually glad he replies. It shows he knows his opinions have no
foundation and he has to try to derail any challenge on fact by any other
means at his disposal. (character assasination, name calling, baseless
claims on the integrity of other research...)
I would agree, however, his methods and faulty opinions are obvious to
anyone who cares to look. Your constant of claims of superiority, btw, are
as valid as Vandy's opinions. Your refusal to look beyond the subject of
hiking and look at his actual tactics and basis for forming a conclusion
around his opinions also puts any credibility you may have in question.
>
> Try to figure out how to come up with something new to say or get lost.
> Everyone is fed up by now with your inane defense of mountain biking on
> hiking trails in the wilderness. Have you no shame?

Actually, you have it backwords. Everyone is fed up with Vandy's opinions,
false claims, self-appointed status, and baseless claims of credibility. You
can see that if you took 10 minutes on google group search "vandeman". There
has not been ONE single outside source or credited environmental scientist
or researcher to post in support or in reference. The shame you reference
does not apply as I have done nothing but point this out.
And you can also try to find ONE single post which I state support for
cycling in designated wilderness. You need to seperate the term "wilderness"
from your discussion as cycling is not allowed on wilderness trails. But
that is your (and his) shortcoming. The truth hardly matters as long as you
can attempt to force your opinion.
Beyond any of that, I enjoy letting Vandy know whenever possible that he has
lost. Your support, btw, has increased his loss tenfold.
>

 

[S Curtiss]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> [...]
>>> Curtiss is a wonderful example of a cretin who thinks he knows
>>> something. I place him at the high school level, but a high schooler who
>>> has done a bit or reading on his own. However, that is not good enough
>>> for the kind of world we are living in today. He badly needs instruction
>>> by his superiors. I myself am far too lazy (my very best virtue) to
>>> bother with him. No, he will have to get on in this old world the best
>>> he can with what he's got. He will never go far, but maybe he can stay
>>> one or two steps ahead of all the Mexican peons that are pouring into
>>> the country.
>>>
>> A reference to my education from Conan the Librarian..? Character
>> assasination...Name calling... You have been reading from the book of
>> Vandeman again. Oh well, like I said before, this country is founded on
>> religious freedom.
>
> It is the gentlest sort of name calling. You should hear what others on
> these freaking forums have called me. Some one even had the effrontery to
> call me a racist and a bigot! Imagine that!
>
> I did not attack anyone's religion, but I will be delighted to do so if
> you wish. Please indicate which group you would like me to focus my venom
> on. Saint Edward the Great is ever up to the task of attacking (or
> defending) any religion. There are so many, I hardly know where to begin.
> I have many good things to say about the ancient religion of
> Zoroastrianism, if you are interested.
>
Perhaps you could explain your blind faith in the word of Vandeman. So far,
you are his only disciple. You take his word on faith. You refuse to accept
information that puts his word in question. You refuse to take the time to
test his word. That is "faith". But you are within your rights to follow
whatever religion you like. Perhaps you can shave your head, wear a flower
and take up a collection for "vandenetics".

 

[Edward Dolan]

"S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:KOMgg.16704$B42.11301@dukeread05...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:v5pgg.16630$B42.12942@dukeread05...
>>
>> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>>
>>> Amazing how you will take Vandy's word on its own, without even
>>> entertaining the possibility that the hostility generated is from his
>>> own actions. You state a refusal to even conduct a 10 minute search on
>>> the history of his posting on usenet but would still completely
>>> disregard the possibility that so many people of differing backgrounds
>>> have shown how his OPINIONS are often a contradiction or, at least, a
>>> misuse of the "science" he claims as a foundation.
>>> Yet you have also posted negatively towards people of faith, but put the
>>> same type of "faith" in Vandeman and his opinions. I suppose
>>> contradictions attract...
>>>
>>> Top posting is fun, low in calories and can lower your cholesterol with
>>> a regular exercise program.
>>
>> I am only going by what I see in front of me. The reason I will not do
>> any research regarding what anyone has previously said on Usenet is that
>> I do not take this medium seriously. Your many replies to Vandeman is a
>> case in point. You belabor the obvious over and over to no good end.
>> Vandeman is quite right to respond to you with one word replies. I am
>> surprised he pays any attention to you at all. I sure wouldn't.
>
> I'm actually glad he replies. It shows he knows his opinions have no
> foundation and he has to try to derail any challenge on fact by any other
> means at his disposal. (character assasination, name calling, baseless
> claims on the integrity of other research...)
> I would agree, however, his methods and faulty opinions are obvious to
> anyone who cares to look. Your constant of claims of superiority, btw, are
> as valid as Vandy's opinions. Your refusal to look beyond the subject of
> hiking and look at his actual tactics and basis for forming a conclusion
> around his opinions also puts any credibility you may have in question.

Curtiss, I swear to God there is something wrong with the way your brain
works. Vandeman will reply to you with a one or two word reply and you go on
and on driving us all nuts. Whatever it is that you have said, you have
already said it a hundred and one times. You are the sort of person who
would drive me to nothing but cussing and swearing. I wonder, have you taken
courses in how to drive others stark raving mad?

>> Try to figure out how to come up with something new to say or get lost.
>> Everyone is fed up by now with your inane defense of mountain biking on
>> hiking trails in the wilderness. Have you no shame?
>
> Actually, you have it backwords. Everyone is fed up with Vandy's opinions,
> false claims, self-appointed status, and baseless claims of credibility.
> You can see that if you took 10 minutes on google group search "vandeman".
> There has not been ONE single outside source or credited environmental
> scientist or researcher to post in support or in reference. The shame you
> reference does not apply as I have done nothing but point this out.

Vandeman is the expert on the subject and others should be referencing him,
not vice versa. After all, Vandeman is a hiker, not a slob mountain biker
like you.

> And you can also try to find ONE single post which I state support for
> cycling in designated wilderness. You need to seperate the term
> "wilderness" from your discussion as cycling is not allowed on wilderness
> trails. But that is your (and his) shortcoming. The truth hardly matters
> as long as you can attempt to force your opinion.

Curtiss, I do not trust you on his issue. I KNOW you would like to bike in
my sacred Wilderness on my sacred trails.

> Beyond any of that, I enjoy letting Vandy know whenever possible that he
> has lost. Your support, btw, has increased his loss tenfold.

Vandeman needs some support and I will give it to him. The reason I will do
this is because I know mountain bikers and they are never up to any good.
All true hikers HATE mountain bikers. Vandeman is as pure as the driven snow
and you are not!

Bottom line, hikers are a bit like Saints. We want to connect to the earth.
Many of us can only find God in the Wilderness. I have never met a hiker who
did not at least have some redeeming human qualities. I sure as hell can't
say the same for mountain bikers.

I urge Curtiss to abandon his mountain bike and to take up the way of the
pilgrim and go hiking in the Wilderness. There he will find God and become a
human being able to glory in his humanity - provided of course that he
doesn't encounter any mountain bikers while on the trail.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:HVMgg.16705$B42.14167@dukeread05...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> [...]
>>>> Curtiss is a wonderful example of a cretin who thinks he knows
>>>> something. I place him at the high school level, but a high schooler
>>>> who has done a bit or reading on his own. However, that is not good
>>>> enough for the kind of world we are living in today. He badly needs
>>>> instruction by his superiors. I myself am far too lazy (my very best
>>>> virtue) to bother with him. No, he will have to get on in this old
>>>> world the best he can with what he's got. He will never go far, but
>>>> maybe he can stay one or two steps ahead of all the Mexican peons that
>>>> are pouring into the country.
>>>>
>>> A reference to my education from Conan the Librarian..? Character
>>> assasination...Name calling... You have been reading from the book of
>>> Vandeman again. Oh well, like I said before, this country is founded on
>>> religious freedom.
>>
>> It is the gentlest sort of name calling. You should hear what others on
>> these freaking forums have called me. Some one even had the effrontery to
>> call me a racist and a bigot! Imagine that!
>>
>> I did not attack anyone's religion, but I will be delighted to do so if
>> you wish. Please indicate which group you would like me to focus my venom
>> on. Saint Edward the Great is ever up to the task of attacking (or
>> defending) any religion. There are so many, I hardly know where to begin.
>> I have many good things to say about the ancient religion of
>> Zoroastrianism, if you are interested.
>>
> Perhaps you could explain your blind faith in the word of Vandeman. So
> far, you are his only disciple. You take his word on faith. You refuse to
> accept information that puts his word in question. You refuse to take the
> time to test his word. That is "faith". But you are within your rights to
> follow whatever religion you like. Perhaps you can shave your head, wear a
> flower and take up a collection for "vandenetics".

I am only going by what I am reading currently on these newsgroups. I will
not do any research at all on the Google archives because I know how a
person responds to anything depends on the other person. Since I was not a
party to those discussions, I can't be bothered.

So what do I know? I know Vandeman is a hiker and I know you are a mountain
biker. What else do I need to know pray tell. Hikers are Saints and mountain
bikers are Sinners. This is irrefutable.

We hikers are like pilgrims seeking the Holy Grail. Mountain bikers are
slobs who are into nothing but "conquering" the trail. How totally
disgusting! I ask you Curtiss - have you no shame at all about what you are
doing here on these cycling newsgroups? You seem like an intelligent person
and you have an excellent command of the language - so I know you have a
functioning brain. However, like St. Paul, you may have to be hit by a bolt
to lightning on your way to Damascus before you begin to see the light. You
need to get on the side of the angels and take up the Holy Crusade along
side of Vandeman.

Hikers Forever! Death to Mountain Bikers!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[S Curtiss]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>>> I am only going by what I see in front of me. The reason I will not do
>>> any research regarding what anyone has previously said on Usenet is that
>>> I do not take this medium seriously. Your many replies to Vandeman is a
>>> case in point. You belabor the obvious over and over to no good end.
>>> Vandeman is quite right to respond to you with one word replies. I am
>>> surprised he pays any attention to you at all. I sure wouldn't.
>>
>> I'm actually glad he replies. It shows he knows his opinions have no
>> foundation and he has to try to derail any challenge on fact by any other
>> means at his disposal. (character assasination, name calling, baseless
>> claims on the integrity of other research...)
>> I would agree, however, his methods and faulty opinions are obvious to
>> anyone who cares to look. Your constant of claims of superiority, btw,
>> are as valid as Vandy's opinions. Your refusal to look beyond the subject
>> of hiking and look at his actual tactics and basis for forming a
>> conclusion around his opinions also puts any credibility you may have in
>> question.
>
> Curtiss, I swear to God there is something wrong with the way your brain
> works. Vandeman will reply to you with a one or two word reply and you go
> on and on driving us all nuts. Whatever it is that you have said, you have
> already said it a hundred and one times. You are the sort of person who
> would drive me to nothing but cussing and swearing. I wonder, have you
> taken courses in how to drive others stark raving mad?
>
>>> Try to figure out how to come up with something new to say or get lost.
>>> Everyone is fed up by now with your inane defense of mountain biking on
>>> hiking trails in the wilderness. Have you no shame?
>>
>> Actually, you have it backwords. Everyone is fed up with Vandy's
>> opinions, false claims, self-appointed status, and baseless claims of
>> credibility. You can see that if you took 10 minutes on google group
>> search "vandeman". There has not been ONE single outside source or
>> credited environmental scientist or researcher to post in support or in
>> reference. The shame you reference does not apply as I have done nothing
>> but point this out.
>
> Vandeman is the expert on the subject and others should be referencing
> him, not vice versa. After all, Vandeman is a hiker, not a slob mountain
> biker like you.
You saying Vandeman is the "expert" is hysterical. You have stated over and
over research and studies mean nothing to you so you have no basis to make a
claim of this nature. You can agree with his opinions but you could no
longer proclaim Vandeman the expert in a field of beans much less any field
of research or reference.
>
>> And you can also try to find ONE single post which I state support for
>> cycling in designated wilderness. You need to seperate the term
>> "wilderness" from your discussion as cycling is not allowed on wilderness
>> trails. But that is your (and his) shortcoming. The truth hardly matters
>> as long as you can attempt to force your opinion.
>
> Curtiss, I do not trust you on his issue. I KNOW you would like to bike in
> my sacred Wilderness on my sacred trails.

No more than I want to ride my bike down a runway at JFK. My main objective
is consistency. I want areas to be designated in the same manner all across
the country. If it is "multi-use" in Virginia, then land that meets the same
criteria in Virginia should be designated the same in all other states.
Likewise for "wilderness". The standards that designate "wilderness" must be
consistent nationwide. This aids in preservation and enforcement. It is
Vandeman's "all bikes banned in all non-paved areas" stance that is
intolerable. Not only because it is unrealistic, but also because the claims
he makes in support of it have no foundation in fact and his presentation as
an "authority" has no validity.
>
>> Beyond any of that, I enjoy letting Vandy know whenever possible that he
>> has lost. Your support, btw, has increased his loss tenfold.
>
> Vandeman needs some support and I will give it to him. The reason I will
> do this is because I know mountain bikers and they are never up to any
> good. All true hikers HATE mountain bikers. Vandeman is as pure as the
> driven snow and you are not!
Do I laugh now...?
>
> Bottom line, hikers are a bit like Saints. We want to connect to the
> earth. Many of us can only find God in the Wilderness. I have never met a
> hiker who did not at least have some redeeming human qualities. I sure as
> hell can't say the same for mountain bikers.
Hikers are eating and breathing human beings. That is all. They are not
special or "saints". If you want to make a stance for preserving green
space, then I'm all over it. But do not lower yourself by proclaiming any
group of persons above another especially on the basis of an activity. It is
just plain silly.
>
> I urge Curtiss to abandon his mountain bike and to take up the way of the
> pilgrim and go hiking in the Wilderness. There he will find God and become
> a human being able to glory in his humanity - provided of course that he
> doesn't encounter any mountain bikers while on the trail.

My humanity is quite intact. My experience in any wooded area, on a bike or
on foot, is my own and in no way reflects the personal experience of anyone
else.
Perhaps you need to be clipped into a pair of pedals and let loose on a good
downhill run to experience your humanity.

However, I do know that you telling me how to find my humanity is like Al
Gore telling me which Hummer to buy. You have no reference or insight into
my being that would allow you to recommend anything to me.

 

[S Curtiss]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>>> Curtiss is a wonderful example of a cretin who thinks he knows
>>>>> something. I place him at the high school level, but a high schooler
>>>>> who has done a bit or reading on his own. However, that is not good
>>>>> enough for the kind of world we are living in today. He badly needs
>>>>> instruction by his superiors. I myself am far too lazy (my very best
>>>>> virtue) to bother with him. No, he will have to get on in this old
>>>>> world the best he can with what he's got. He will never go far, but
>>>>> maybe he can stay one or two steps ahead of all the Mexican peons that
>>>>> are pouring into the country.
>>>>>
>>>> A reference to my education from Conan the Librarian..? Character
>>>> assasination...Name calling... You have been reading from the book of
>>>> Vandeman again. Oh well, like I said before, this country is founded on
>>>> religious freedom.
>>>
>>> It is the gentlest sort of name calling. You should hear what others on
>>> these freaking forums have called me. Some one even had the effrontery
>>> to call me a racist and a bigot! Imagine that!
>>>
>>> I did not attack anyone's religion, but I will be delighted to do so if
>>> you wish. Please indicate which group you would like me to focus my
>>> venom on. Saint Edward the Great is ever up to the task of attacking (or
>>> defending) any religion. There are so many, I hardly know where to
>>> begin. I have many good things to say about the ancient religion of
>>> Zoroastrianism, if you are interested.
>>>
>> Perhaps you could explain your blind faith in the word of Vandeman. So
>> far, you are his only disciple. You take his word on faith. You refuse to
>> accept information that puts his word in question. You refuse to take the
>> time to test his word. That is "faith". But you are within your rights to
>> follow whatever religion you like. Perhaps you can shave your head, wear
>> a flower and take up a collection for "vandenetics".
>
> I am only going by what I am reading currently on these newsgroups. I will
> not do any research at all on the Google archives because I know how a
> person responds to anything depends on the other person. Since I was not a
> party to those discussions, I can't be bothered.

So why bother with any other history? Napolean, Da Vinci, Lincoln....? We
were not a party to their experience.... We did not witness their
discussions... Yet we study and learn. Even you have made reference to
figures of history or knowledge and even recomended reading of them. So why
contradict yourself and avoid actual history when it is so readily
available?
>
> So what do I know? I know Vandeman is a hiker and I know you are a
> mountain biker. What else do I need to know pray tell. Hikers are Saints
> and mountain bikers are Sinners. This is irrefutable.
The earth is flat. This is irrefutable.
>
> We hikers are like pilgrims seeking the Holy Grail. Mountain bikers are
> slobs who are into nothing but "conquering" the trail. How totally
> disgusting! I ask you Curtiss - have you no shame at all about what you
> are doing here on these cycling newsgroups? You seem like an intelligent
> person and you have an excellent command of the language - so I know you
> have a functioning brain. However, like St. Paul, you may have to be hit
> by a bolt to lightning on your way to Damascus before you begin to see the
> light. You need to get on the side of the angels and take up the Holy
> Crusade along side of Vandeman.
>
Apparently, I need an overdose of ritalin to think like you and Vandy. I
thank you for the kind words on my intelligence, but that has no bearing on
any of this. You have a fine spiritual experience in the woods. Go have at
it. But do not think for one second that I am going to equate it, you or
Vandeman with Angels, God or any holy quest. It is merely your preference.

> Hikers Forever! Death to Mountain Bikers!
>

 

[Edward Dolan]

"S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Jq_gg.19925$B42.16699@dukeread05...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>> I am only going by what I see in front of me. The reason I will not do
>>>> any research regarding what anyone has previously said on Usenet is
>>>> that I do not take this medium seriously. Your many replies to Vandeman
>>>> is a case in point. You belabor the obvious over and over to no good
>>>> end. Vandeman is quite right to respond to you with one word replies. I
>>>> am surprised he pays any attention to you at all. I sure wouldn't.
>>>
>>> I'm actually glad he replies. It shows he knows his opinions have no
>>> foundation and he has to try to derail any challenge on fact by any
>>> other means at his disposal. (character assasination, name calling,
>>> baseless claims on the integrity of other research...)
>>> I would agree, however, his methods and faulty opinions are obvious to
>>> anyone who cares to look. Your constant of claims of superiority, btw,
>>> are as valid as Vandy's opinions. Your refusal to look beyond the
>>> subject of hiking and look at his actual tactics and basis for forming a
>>> conclusion around his opinions also puts any credibility you may have in
>>> question.
>>
>> Curtiss, I swear to God there is something wrong with the way your brain
>> works. Vandeman will reply to you with a one or two word reply and you go
>> on and on driving us all nuts. Whatever it is that you have said, you
>> have already said it a hundred and one times. You are the sort of person
>> who would drive me to nothing but cussing and swearing. I wonder, have
>> you taken courses in how to drive others stark raving mad?
>>
>>>> Try to figure out how to come up with something new to say or get lost.
>>>> Everyone is fed up by now with your inane defense of mountain biking on
>>>> hiking trails in the wilderness. Have you no shame?
>>>
>>> Actually, you have it backwords. Everyone is fed up with Vandy's
>>> opinions, false claims, self-appointed status, and baseless claims of
>>> credibility. You can see that if you took 10 minutes on google group
>>> search "vandeman". There has not been ONE single outside source or
>>> credited environmental scientist or researcher to post in support or in
>>> reference. The shame you reference does not apply as I have done nothing
>>> but point this out.
>>
>> Vandeman is the expert on the subject and others should be referencing
>> him, not vice versa. After all, Vandeman is a hiker, not a slob mountain
>> biker like you.
> You saying Vandeman is the "expert" is hysterical. You have stated over
> and over research and studies mean nothing to you so you have no basis to
> make a claim of this nature. You can agree with his opinions but you could
> no longer proclaim Vandeman the expert in a field of beans much less any
> field of research or reference.

Vandeman is the expert from the hiker's point of view. I have already told
you that I do not give a good g.d. about the mountain biker's point of view.

>>> And you can also try to find ONE single post which I state support for
>>> cycling in designated wilderness. You need to seperate the term
>>> "wilderness" from your discussion as cycling is not allowed on
>>> wilderness trails. But that is your (and his) shortcoming. The truth
>>> hardly matters as long as you can attempt to force your opinion.
>>
>> Curtiss, I do not trust you on his issue. I KNOW you would like to bike
>> in my sacred Wilderness on my sacred trails.
>
> No more than I want to ride my bike down a runway at JFK. My main
> objective is consistency. I want areas to be designated in the same manner
> all across the country. If it is "multi-use" in Virginia, then land that
> meets the same criteria in Virginia should be designated the same in all
> other states. Likewise for "wilderness". The standards that designate
> "wilderness" must be consistent nationwide. This aids in preservation and
> enforcement. It is Vandeman's "all bikes banned in all non-paved areas"
> stance that is intolerable. Not only because it is unrealistic, but also
> because the claims he makes in support of it have no foundation in fact
> and his presentation as an "authority" has no validity.

As long as you do not even THINK about biking in wilderness ...

>>> Beyond any of that, I enjoy letting Vandy know whenever possible that he
>>> has lost. Your support, btw, has increased his loss tenfold.
>>
>> Vandeman needs some support and I will give it to him. The reason I will
>> do this is because I know mountain bikers and they are never up to any
>> good. All true hikers HATE mountain bikers. Vandeman is as pure as the
>> driven snow and you are not!
>
> Do I laugh now...?

All I am getting from you is that you want to be able to bike on all trails
with the possible exception of trails in designated Wilderness Areas. That
is not good enough for me any more than it is for Vandeman. You seem to be
totally lacking in an appreciation of nature and scenic areas. There are
innumerable trails outside of wilderness which are not suited for cyclists.
Cyclists ruin such areas for walkers. Funny that you cannot see this.

>> Bottom line, hikers are a bit like Saints. We want to connect to the
>> earth. Many of us can only find God in the Wilderness. I have never met a
>> hiker who did not at least have some redeeming human qualities. I sure as
>> hell can't say the same for mountain bikers.
>
> Hikers are eating and breathing human beings. That is all. They are not
> special or "saints". If you want to make a stance for preserving green
> space, then I'm all over it. But do not lower yourself by proclaiming any
> group of persons above another especially on the basis of an activity. It
> is just plain silly.

We all know how mountain bikers behave in the out of doors and it is not a
pretty sight. Try to get some perspective and some philosophy if at all
possible. Mental attitude is everything when it comes to a proper
appreciation of natural and scenic areas. Only walkers have the right
perspective. All others are wrongheaded and spawn of the Devil.

>> I urge Curtiss to abandon his mountain bike and to take up the way of the
>> pilgrim and go hiking in the Wilderness. There he will find God and
>> become a human being able to glory in his humanity - provided of course
>> that he doesn't encounter any mountain bikers while on the trail.
>
> My humanity is quite intact. My experience in any wooded area, on a bike
> or on foot, is my own and in no way reflects the personal experience of
> anyone else.
> Perhaps you need to be clipped into a pair of pedals and let loose on a
> good downhill run to experience your humanity.

You are into asininity and I am into Saintliness. Never the twain shall
meet.

> However, I do know that you telling me how to find my humanity is like Al
> Gore telling me which Hummer to buy. You have no reference or insight into
> my being that would allow you to recommend anything to me.

You will not find your humanity in mountain biking on my sacred hiking
trails. That much is known for sure.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:3G_gg.19926$B42.7313@dukeread05...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>>> Curtiss is a wonderful example of a cretin who thinks he knows
>>>>>> something. I place him at the high school level, but a high schooler
>>>>>> who has done a bit or reading on his own. However, that is not good
>>>>>> enough for the kind of world we are living in today. He badly needs
>>>>>> instruction by his superiors. I myself am far too lazy (my very best
>>>>>> virtue) to bother with him. No, he will have to get on in this old
>>>>>> world the best he can with what he's got. He will never go far, but
>>>>>> maybe he can stay one or two steps ahead of all the Mexican peons
>>>>>> that are pouring into the country.
>>>>>>
>>>>> A reference to my education from Conan the Librarian..? Character
>>>>> assasination...Name calling... You have been reading from the book of
>>>>> Vandeman again. Oh well, like I said before, this country is founded
>>>>> on religious freedom.
>>>>
>>>> It is the gentlest sort of name calling. You should hear what others on
>>>> these freaking forums have called me. Some one even had the effrontery
>>>> to call me a racist and a bigot! Imagine that!
>>>>
>>>> I did not attack anyone's religion, but I will be delighted to do so if
>>>> you wish. Please indicate which group you would like me to focus my
>>>> venom on. Saint Edward the Great is ever up to the task of attacking
>>>> (or defending) any religion. There are so many, I hardly know where to
>>>> begin. I have many good things to say about the ancient religion of
>>>> Zoroastrianism, if you are interested.
>>>>
>>> Perhaps you could explain your blind faith in the word of Vandeman. So
>>> far, you are his only disciple. You take his word on faith. You refuse
>>> to accept information that puts his word in question. You refuse to take
>>> the time to test his word. That is "faith". But you are within your
>>> rights to follow whatever religion you like. Perhaps you can shave your
>>> head, wear a flower and take up a collection for "vandenetics".
>>
>> I am only going by what I am reading currently on these newsgroups. I
>> will not do any research at all on the Google archives because I know
>> how a person responds to anything depends on the other person. Since I
>> was not a party to those discussions, I can't be bothered.
>
> So why bother with any other history? Napolean, Da Vinci, Lincoln....? We
> were not a party to their experience.... We did not witness their
> discussions... Yet we study and learn. Even you have made reference to
> figures of history or knowledge and even recomended reading of them. So
> why contradict yourself and avoid actual history when it is so readily
> available?

Usenet is by and for idiots, that is why! Half the time I do not even
believe any of what I am saying, let alone fools like you! Unless you are
published I cannot read you - and even if you are published it has to be by
a reputable publisher.

>> So what do I know? I know Vandeman is a hiker and I know you are a
>> mountain biker. What else do I need to know pray tell. Hikers are Saints
>> and mountain bikers are Sinners. This is irrefutable.
>
> The earth is flat. This is irrefutable.

"Hikers are Saints and mountain bikers are Sinners." - Ed Dolan

>> We hikers are like pilgrims seeking the Holy Grail. Mountain bikers are
>> slobs who are into nothing but "conquering" the trail. How totally
>> disgusting! I ask you Curtiss - have you no shame at all about what you
>> are doing here on these cycling newsgroups? You seem like an intelligent
>> person and you have an excellent command of the language - so I know you
>> have a functioning brain. However, like St. Paul, you may have to be hit
>> by a bolt to lightning on your way to Damascus before you begin to see
>> the light. You need to get on the side of the angels and take up the Holy
>> Crusade along side of Vandeman.
>>
> Apparently, I need an overdose of ritalin to think like you and Vandy. I
> thank you for the kind words on my intelligence, but that has no bearing
> on any of this. You have a fine spiritual experience in the woods. Go have
> at it. But do not think for one second that I am going to equate it, you
> or Vandeman with Angels, God or any holy quest. It is merely your
> preference.

"We hikers are like pilgrims seeking the Holy Grail. Mountain bikers are
slobs who are into nothing but "conquering" the trail." - Ed Dolan

>> Hikers Forever! Death to Mountain Bikers!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota