Mountain Bikers SILENT about Environmental Destruction in Their Backyard!




>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...

>> Anything written after 1900 is not good for you and will make you even
>> worse than you already are. I plead with you to get some culture and to
>> give up your slob mountain biking ways.

S Curtiss wrote:
>
> So now the great "Conan the Librarian" is pleading....? I don't need
> Shakespeare to read a tragedy - I can do that by looking at Vandeman's
> webpage.

ROFL!!!!
 
"S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Does anyone else hear a gnat...?
>
>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I have gathered from your woeful lack of intelligence that you only read
>> junk science research which purports to show that biking and hiking are
>> one and the same thing - when any fool knows they are vastly different.
>
> ...as opposed to junk science research which purports to show only that
> biking is more harmful than hiking....?
> Since you and MV are proclaiming the differences, it looks as if you are
> also the "fool" you reference.

Mountain bikers are into nothing but fun and games. Hikers are philosophers
who are into deep thinking about humankind and the universe. They certainly
do not belong on the same trails together.

>> Curtiss, I urge you to get to a library and read something that was
>> written several hundred years ago. Most of what is presently being
>> written today is not good for you and will rot your brain. I suggest you
>> begin with Shakespeare and work your way up to the end of the 19th
>> century. Anything written after 1900 is not good for you and will make
>> you even worse than you already are. I plead with you to get some culture
>> and to give up your slob mountain biking ways.
>
> So now the great "Conan the Librarian" is pleading....? I don't need
> Shakespeare to read a tragedy - I can do that by looking at Vandeman's
> webpage.
>
>> PS. Be sure to get to work right away writing the definitive history of
>> the impact of mountain biking on the modern world.
>>
>>
> At least it would be more entertaining than reading the one-word history
> of the impact of Dolan on the modern world. (Dolan=Null)
> No thanks - I believe I would rather ride and experience it first hand...

Personal experience is only worth so much. It has to be checked against the
experience of many others. Those who write books have generally thought
about a subject quite extensively. Do less riding and more writing and maybe
you will get clearer in your mind about what matters in this world. I assure
you that mountain biking matters hardly at all whereas what the Great Ed
Dolan thinks matters enormously.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
Yes... Conan the Librarian showing off his mental muscle again... Damn
fascinating to watch, isn't it folks? Hell, we should be charging
admission!

> Nonsense, EVERYONE in the entire world KNOWS that mountain biking is far
> more dangerous than hiking. However, from my point of view, it is not
> dangerous enough. I would like to see mountain bikers killing themselves
> by the thousands going down steep rocky slopes. Hells Bells, I might even
> help them kill themselves by placing some obstacles on the trail for them
> to hit! Yea, the more dead mountain bikers, the better!
>
 
"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:F8%dg.14666$B42.11235@dukeread05...
>> Does anyone else hear a gnat...?
>>
>>
>> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> I have gathered from your woeful lack of intelligence that you only read
>>> junk science research which purports to show that biking and hiking are
>>> one and the same thing - when any fool knows they are vastly different.
>>
>> ...as opposed to junk science research which purports to show only that
>> biking is more harmful than hiking....?
>> Since you and MV are proclaiming the differences, it looks as if you are
>> also the "fool" you reference.
>
> Mountain bikers are into nothing but fun and games. Hikers are
> philosophers who are into deep thinking about humankind and the universe.
> They certainly do not belong on the same trails together.
>
Hmmm... A lot of the hikers I see are loud, walking all over the trail and
off it, leaving trash behind, carrying and drinking alcohol, being careless
about their own safety and others... Yep. Hikers are certainly the cream
of the crop of humanity.
Don't insult us with your wishful generalizations. You may venture out with
that frame of mind, but do NOT place all hikers in that very small subset.
And, by the same logic, you can not reference all off-road cyclists' motives
based on either your opinion of the activity or the actions of a minority to
which you may (or simply claim to) witness.

>>> Curtiss, I urge you to get to a library and read something that was
>>> written several hundred years ago. Most of what is presently being
>>> written today is not good for you and will rot your brain. I suggest
>>> you begin with Shakespeare and work your way up to the end of the 19th
>>> century. Anything written after 1900 is not good for you and will make
>>> you even worse than you already are. I plead with you to get some
>>> culture and to give up your slob mountain biking ways.
>>
>> So now the great "Conan the Librarian" is pleading....? I don't need
>> Shakespeare to read a tragedy - I can do that by looking at Vandeman's
>> webpage.
>>
>>> PS. Be sure to get to work right away writing the definitive history of
>>> the impact of mountain biking on the modern world.
>>>
>>>
>> At least it would be more entertaining than reading the one-word history
>> of the impact of Dolan on the modern world. (Dolan=Null)
>> No thanks - I believe I would rather ride and experience it first hand...
>
> Personal experience is only worth so much. It has to be checked against
> the experience of many others. Those who write books have generally
> thought about a subject quite extensively. Do less riding and more writing
> and maybe you will get clearer in your mind about what matters in this
> world. I assure you that mountain biking matters hardly at all whereas
> what the Great Ed Dolan thinks matters enormously.

...and where is the published work of Ed Dolan? (I already know you are not
"Edward F. Dolan".)

Again... I think it is more advantageous I get out on the bike and see some
trees. As far as what the "not so great ed dolan (Conan the Librarian)"
thinks about anything...
http://www.weirdlittlebiscuit.com/images/b3ta/donkey.jpg
>
 
On Fri, 26 May 2006 23:50:27 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:CNodg.14537$B42.12443@dukeread05...
>>
>> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Wed, 24 May 2006 13:46:56 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> Like Vandeman, reality escapes you...
>>>>>>> You just lost any credibility you may have held claim to. I own 2
>>>>>>> mountain
>>>>>>> bikes (actually, one belongs to the wife). I personally own 5 road
>>>>>>> bikes:
>>>>>>> A Paramount, a Colnago, a Merckx and 2 Pinarellos. I spend 90% of my
>>>>>>> cycling time on the road bikes.
>>>>>>> The FACT of this apparently is beyond your scope - so you can take
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> claim of "the Great" and this schizo "saint" ego of yours, stick your
>>>>>>> butt
>>>>>>> in your comfy lounge chair on wheels, and ride back to where you came
>>>>>>> from.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why can't you stay happy on your road bikes? Are there not enough roads
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>the land for you to ride them on? Why must you invade sacred spaces
>>>>>>like a
>>>>>>footpath - on a bicycle of all things. Can't you walk?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mountain bikers are too LAZY to hike.
>>>>Opinion. Supposition. No basis in fact, statistics or scientific
>>>>reference.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can't you hike? Why
>>>>>>are you such a slob and such a sinner and, indeed, such a cretin?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Curtiss stands condemned out of his own mouth. He has road bikes, but
>>>>>>he
>>>>>>would like to be able to ride his bikes off-road. That is why he has a
>>>>>>mountain bike. He is nothing but a bully and a thug. He wants what is
>>>>>>not
>>>>>>his to want. He is truly criminal in his attitude toward the natural
>>>>>>world
>>>>>>and my sacred footpaths.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Vandeman is championing the creatures of the earth who cannot defend
>>>>>>themselves against criminal vandals and thugs like Curtiss. All Curtiss
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>championing are his own selfish interests which, if he had any brains,
>>>>>>he
>>>>>>should not have in the first place. There are special places in Hell
>>>>>>reserved for his kind. I, as a Great Saint, will point Curtiss out to
>>>>>>God
>>>>>>when the time comes for him to get his just deserts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mountain bikers get their just desserts here on Earth: impotence and
>>>>> other serious injuries. It's just poetic justice (I use words with
>>>>> more than one syllable, because I know that mountain bikers can't
>>>>> understand them).
>>>>>
>>>>You mean serious injuries like falls, slips, broken bones, cuts, bruises,
>>>>heart attacks, etc that are also sustained by hikers...?
>>>
>>> It's well known that mountain biking is FAR more dangerous than
>>> hiking.
>>> ===
>> Well known by who...? This has been acknowledged by which official
>> agency...? Your claims mean NOTHING. Your statements about dangers of
>> off-road cycling mean NOTHING. As long as you are going to only post
>> cycling related injuries or deaths, while making a claim that it is
>> "inherently" dangerous compared to hiking, and COMPLETELY IGNORE
>> comparative information showing similar incidents of hiking, then your
>> statements mean NOTHING. They are ramblings based on your OPINION and only
>> highlight your bias of reporting, your methods of discovery of
>> information, and the lack of foundation for your conclusions.
>
>Nonsense, EVERYONE in the entire world KNOWS that mountain biking is far
>more dangerous than hiking. However, from my point of view, it is not
>dangerous enough. I would like to see mountain bikers killing themselves by
>the thousands going down steep rocky slopes. Hells Bells, I might even help
>them kill themselves by placing some obstacles on the trail for them to hit!
>Yea, the more dead mountain bikers, the better!

Luckily, their worst enemies are themselves. Evolution in action.

>Regards,
>
>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>aka
>Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
>>
>>Nonsense, EVERYONE in the entire world KNOWS that mountain biking is far
>>more dangerous than hiking. However, from my point of view, it is not
>>dangerous enough. I would like to see mountain bikers killing themselves
>>by
>>the thousands going down steep rocky slopes. Hells Bells, I might even
>>help
>>them kill themselves by placing some obstacles on the trail for them to
>>hit!
>>Yea, the more dead mountain bikers, the better!
>
> Luckily, their worst enemies are themselves. Evolution in action.
>
Thanks, Mike Vandeman, for again showing how you favor violence to solve a
problem. (Duly noted and forever available as a Google Group search under
"vandeman")
 
On Sun, 28 May 2006 11:57:55 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:F8%dg.14666$B42.11235@dukeread05...
>>> Does anyone else hear a gnat...?
>>>
>>>
>>> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> I have gathered from your woeful lack of intelligence that you only read
>>>> junk science research which purports to show that biking and hiking are
>>>> one and the same thing - when any fool knows they are vastly different.
>>>
>>> ...as opposed to junk science research which purports to show only that
>>> biking is more harmful than hiking....?
>>> Since you and MV are proclaiming the differences, it looks as if you are
>>> also the "fool" you reference.
>>
>> Mountain bikers are into nothing but fun and games. Hikers are
>> philosophers who are into deep thinking about humankind and the universe.
>> They certainly do not belong on the same trails together.
>>
>Hmmm... A lot of the hikers I see are loud, walking all over the trail and
>off it, leaving trash behind, carrying and drinking alcohol, being careless
>about their own safety and others... Yep. Hikers are certainly the cream
>of the crop of humanity.
>Don't insult us with your wishful generalizations. You may venture out with
>that frame of mind, but do NOT place all hikers in that very small subset.
>And, by the same logic, you can not reference all off-road cyclists' motives
>based on either your opinion of the activity or the actions of a minority to
>which you may (or simply claim to) witness.
>
>>>> Curtiss, I urge you to get to a library and read something that was
>>>> written several hundred years ago. Most of what is presently being
>>>> written today is not good for you and will rot your brain. I suggest
>>>> you begin with Shakespeare and work your way up to the end of the 19th
>>>> century. Anything written after 1900 is not good for you and will make
>>>> you even worse than you already are. I plead with you to get some
>>>> culture and to give up your slob mountain biking ways.
>>>
>>> So now the great "Conan the Librarian" is pleading....? I don't need
>>> Shakespeare to read a tragedy - I can do that by looking at Vandeman's
>>> webpage.
>>>
>>>> PS. Be sure to get to work right away writing the definitive history of
>>>> the impact of mountain biking on the modern world.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> At least it would be more entertaining than reading the one-word history
>>> of the impact of Dolan on the modern world. (Dolan=Null)
>>> No thanks - I believe I would rather ride and experience it first hand...
>>
>> Personal experience is only worth so much. It has to be checked against
>> the experience of many others. Those who write books have generally
>> thought about a subject quite extensively. Do less riding and more writing
>> and maybe you will get clearer in your mind about what matters in this
>> world. I assure you that mountain biking matters hardly at all whereas
>> what the Great Ed Dolan thinks matters enormously.
>
>..and where is the published work of Ed Dolan? (I already know you are not
>"Edward F. Dolan".)
>
>Again... I think it is more advantageous I get out on the bike and see some
>trees.

Since when is it necessary to bring along a BIKE in order to see
trees??? In fact, having to pay attention to controlling a BIKE
interferes with your ability to look at trees -- if you were honest.

As far as what the "not so great ed dolan (Conan the Librarian)"
>thinks about anything...
>http://www.weirdlittlebiscuit.com/images/b3ta/donkey.jpg
>>
>
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On Sun, 28 May 2006 14:01:09 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>>>
>>>Nonsense, EVERYONE in the entire world KNOWS that mountain biking is far
>>>more dangerous than hiking. However, from my point of view, it is not
>>>dangerous enough. I would like to see mountain bikers killing themselves
>>>by
>>>the thousands going down steep rocky slopes. Hells Bells, I might even
>>>help
>>>them kill themselves by placing some obstacles on the trail for them to
>>>hit!
>>>Yea, the more dead mountain bikers, the better!
>>
>> Luckily, their worst enemies are themselves. Evolution in action.
>>
>Thanks, Mike Vandeman, for again showing how you favor violence to solve a
>problem. (Duly noted and forever available as a Google Group search under
>"vandeman")

Where do you see me advocating voiolence? You are fabricating again.
What I REALLY said was "Luckily, their worst enemies are themselves.
Evolution in action." I don't see the world "violence" there....
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 28 May 2006 14:01:09 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>>Nonsense, EVERYONE in the entire world KNOWS that mountain biking is far
>>>>more dangerous than hiking. However, from my point of view, it is not
>>>>dangerous enough. I would like to see mountain bikers killing themselves
>>>>by
>>>>the thousands going down steep rocky slopes. Hells Bells, I might even
>>>>help
>>>>them kill themselves by placing some obstacles on the trail for them to
>>>>hit!
>>>>Yea, the more dead mountain bikers, the better!
>>>
>>> Luckily, their worst enemies are themselves. Evolution in action.
>>>
>>Thanks, Mike Vandeman, for again showing how you favor violence to solve a
>>problem. (Duly noted and forever available as a Google Group search under
>>"vandeman")
>
> Where do you see me advocating voiolence? You are fabricating again.
> What I REALLY said was "Luckily, their worst enemies are themselves.
> Evolution in action." I don't see the world "violence" there....
> ===
I see you making a statement in accordance and response to the statement
"Hells Bells, I might even help them kill themselves by placing some
obstacles on the trail for them to hit! Yea, the more dead mountain bikers,
the better!"

Thanks again for showing your lack of substance by replying on semantics
rather than statement.
 
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 28 May 2006 11:57:55 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
>>>>>
>>>> At least it would be more entertaining than reading the one-word
>>>> history
>>>> of the impact of Dolan on the modern world. (Dolan=Null)
>>>> No thanks - I believe I would rather ride and experience it first
>>>> hand...
>>>
>>> Personal experience is only worth so much. It has to be checked against
>>> the experience of many others. Those who write books have generally
>>> thought about a subject quite extensively. Do less riding and more
>>> writing
>>> and maybe you will get clearer in your mind about what matters in this
>>> world. I assure you that mountain biking matters hardly at all whereas
>>> what the Great Ed Dolan thinks matters enormously.
>>
>>..and where is the published work of Ed Dolan? (I already know you are not
>>"Edward F. Dolan".)
>>
>>Again... I think it is more advantageous I get out on the bike and see
>>some
>>trees.
>
> Since when is it necessary to bring along a BIKE in order to see
> trees??? In fact, having to pay attention to controlling a BIKE
> interferes with your ability to look at trees -- if you were honest.
We've covered this - Your OPINION and lack of desire or ability is no
measure of the abilities of someone else. I can control a bike and look at
trees. Your lack of that ability, or desire to explore that ability, is
MEANINGLESS.
Since when is it necessary to use any type of tool to increase the
effectiveness of an activity?
>
 
On Tue, 30 May 2006 14:48:43 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 28 May 2006 11:57:55 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>
>>>>> At least it would be more entertaining than reading the one-word
>>>>> history
>>>>> of the impact of Dolan on the modern world. (Dolan=Null)
>>>>> No thanks - I believe I would rather ride and experience it first
>>>>> hand...
>>>>
>>>> Personal experience is only worth so much. It has to be checked against
>>>> the experience of many others. Those who write books have generally
>>>> thought about a subject quite extensively. Do less riding and more
>>>> writing
>>>> and maybe you will get clearer in your mind about what matters in this
>>>> world. I assure you that mountain biking matters hardly at all whereas
>>>> what the Great Ed Dolan thinks matters enormously.
>>>
>>>..and where is the published work of Ed Dolan? (I already know you are not
>>>"Edward F. Dolan".)
>>>
>>>Again... I think it is more advantageous I get out on the bike and see
>>>some
>>>trees.
>>
>> Since when is it necessary to bring along a BIKE in order to see
>> trees??? In fact, having to pay attention to controlling a BIKE
>> interferes with your ability to look at trees -- if you were honest.
>We've covered this - Your OPINION and lack of desire or ability is no
>measure of the abilities of someone else. I can control a bike and look at
>trees. Your lack of that ability, or desire to explore that ability, is
>MEANINGLESS.
>Since when is it necessary to use any type of tool to increase the
>effectiveness of an activity?

So you agree that it's not necessary to allow bikes off-road?
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 30 May 2006 14:48:43 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Sun, 28 May 2006 11:57:55 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> At least it would be more entertaining than reading the one-word
>>>>>> history
>>>>>> of the impact of Dolan on the modern world. (Dolan=Null)
>>>>>> No thanks - I believe I would rather ride and experience it first
>>>>>> hand...
>>>>>
>>>>> Personal experience is only worth so much. It has to be checked
>>>>> against
>>>>> the experience of many others. Those who write books have generally
>>>>> thought about a subject quite extensively. Do less riding and more
>>>>> writing
>>>>> and maybe you will get clearer in your mind about what matters in this
>>>>> world. I assure you that mountain biking matters hardly at all whereas
>>>>> what the Great Ed Dolan thinks matters enormously.
>>>>
>>>>..and where is the published work of Ed Dolan? (I already know you are
>>>>not
>>>>"Edward F. Dolan".)
>>>>
>>>>Again... I think it is more advantageous I get out on the bike and see
>>>>some
>>>>trees.
>>>
>>> Since when is it necessary to bring along a BIKE in order to see
>>> trees??? In fact, having to pay attention to controlling a BIKE
>>> interferes with your ability to look at trees -- if you were honest.
>>We've covered this - Your OPINION and lack of desire or ability is no
>>measure of the abilities of someone else. I can control a bike and look at
>>trees. Your lack of that ability, or desire to explore that ability, is
>>MEANINGLESS.
>>Since when is it necessary to use any type of tool to increase the
>>effectiveness of an activity?
>
> So you agree that it's not necessary to allow bikes off-road?
> ===
Who said it was "necessary"...? Making something "necessary" (required, so
to speak) is a far cry from making, or keeping, it legal as an option. Your
insistence that it be banned simply because you do not choose to utilize it
as a tool is not necessary, either. The off-road bicycle is a tool, just as
a backpack or canteen is a tool. A loaded pack often weighs as much as a
bicycle. You argue for banning one tool based on your OPINIONS, which have
not been PROVEN to be anything but opinions. You scoff at other research,
often conducted by accredited researchers, if it counters your OPINIONS than
rally behind a battle of verbage and semantics when you get called on these
opinions.
What has been proven unnecessary are your writings, submissions and
opinions. Road construction continues. Sprawl continues. Habitat destruction
continues. And the ONLY thing you continue is to whine about bicycles...
That is no longer pathetic... It is simply a waste.
 
On Wed, 31 May 2006 12:01:46 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Tue, 30 May 2006 14:48:43 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> On Sun, 28 May 2006 11:57:55 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At least it would be more entertaining than reading the one-word
>>>>>>> history
>>>>>>> of the impact of Dolan on the modern world. (Dolan=Null)
>>>>>>> No thanks - I believe I would rather ride and experience it first
>>>>>>> hand...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personal experience is only worth so much. It has to be checked
>>>>>> against
>>>>>> the experience of many others. Those who write books have generally
>>>>>> thought about a subject quite extensively. Do less riding and more
>>>>>> writing
>>>>>> and maybe you will get clearer in your mind about what matters in this
>>>>>> world. I assure you that mountain biking matters hardly at all whereas
>>>>>> what the Great Ed Dolan thinks matters enormously.
>>>>>
>>>>>..and where is the published work of Ed Dolan? (I already know you are
>>>>>not
>>>>>"Edward F. Dolan".)
>>>>>
>>>>>Again... I think it is more advantageous I get out on the bike and see
>>>>>some
>>>>>trees.
>>>>
>>>> Since when is it necessary to bring along a BIKE in order to see
>>>> trees??? In fact, having to pay attention to controlling a BIKE
>>>> interferes with your ability to look at trees -- if you were honest.
>>>We've covered this - Your OPINION and lack of desire or ability is no
>>>measure of the abilities of someone else. I can control a bike and look at
>>>trees. Your lack of that ability, or desire to explore that ability, is
>>>MEANINGLESS.
>>>Since when is it necessary to use any type of tool to increase the
>>>effectiveness of an activity?
>>
>> So you agree that it's not necessary to allow bikes off-road?
>> ===
>Who said it was "necessary"...? Making something "necessary" (required, so
>to speak) is a far cry from making, or keeping, it legal as an option. Your
>insistence that it be banned simply because you do not choose to utilize it
>as a tool is not necessary, either. The off-road bicycle is a tool, just as
>a backpack or canteen is a tool. A loaded pack often weighs as much as a
>bicycle. You argue for banning one tool based on your OPINIONS, which have
>not been PROVEN to be anything but opinions. You scoff at other research,
>often conducted by accredited researchers, if it counters your OPINIONS than
>rally behind a battle of verbage and semantics when you get called on these
>opinions.
>What has been proven unnecessary are your writings, submissions and
>opinions. Road construction continues. Sprawl continues. Habitat destruction
>continues. And the ONLY thing you continue is to whine about bicycles...
>That is no longer pathetic... It is simply a waste.

Did you say something?
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
"S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:vo0fg.15392$B42.9016@dukeread05...

>
> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 28 May 2006 14:01:09 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:

Curtiss is getting sloppy in his posting. If he can't post in the proper
format, then let him begone. We do not need any more idiots here who do not
know how to post.

[EDWARD DOLAN WROTE:]


>>>>>Nonsense, EVERYONE in the entire world KNOWS that mountain biking is
>>>>>far
>>>>>more dangerous than hiking. However, from my point of view, it is not
>>>>>dangerous enough. I would like to see mountain bikers killing
>>>>>themselves
>>>>>by
>>>>>the thousands going down steep rocky slopes. Hells Bells, I might even
>>>>>help
>>>>>them kill themselves by placing some obstacles on the trail for them to
>>>>>hit!
>>>>>Yea, the more dead mountain bikers, the better!
>>>>
>>>> Luckily, their worst enemies are themselves. Evolution in action.
>>>>
>>>Thanks, Mike Vandeman, for again showing how you favor violence to solve
>>>a
>>>problem. (Duly noted and forever available as a Google Group search under
>>>"vandeman")
>>
>> Where do you see me advocating voiolence? You are fabricating again.
>> What I REALLY said was "Luckily, their worst enemies are themselves.
>> Evolution in action." I don't see the world "violence" there....
>> ===
> I see you making a statement in accordance and response to the statement
> "Hells Bells, I might even help them kill themselves by placing some
> obstacles on the trail for them to hit! Yea, the more dead mountain
> bikers, the better!"
>
> Thanks again for showing your lack of substance by replying on semantics
> rather than statement.

Violence reigns supreme everywhere in the world. What do you think the
Muslim terrorists are up to if not violence. If and when a mountain biker
breaks his fool neck, then I say good riddance. Just one less slob to have
to put up with in the wilderness. As I have already so aptly put it, the
more dead mountain bikers, the better! Maybe Curtiss could do us all a favor
and become one of them himself.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
"S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:iMjeg.14944$B42.5477@dukeread05...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:F8%dg.14666$B42.11235@dukeread05...
>>> Does anyone else hear a gnat...?
>>>
>>>
>>> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> I have gathered from your woeful lack of intelligence that you only
>>>> read junk science research which purports to show that biking and
>>>> hiking are one and the same thing - when any fool knows they are vastly
>>>> different.
>>>
>>> ...as opposed to junk science research which purports to show only that
>>> biking is more harmful than hiking....?
>>> Since you and MV are proclaiming the differences, it looks as if you are
>>> also the "fool" you reference.
>>
>> Mountain bikers are into nothing but fun and games. Hikers are
>> philosophers who are into deep thinking about humankind and the universe.
>> They certainly do not belong on the same trails together.
>>
> Hmmm... A lot of the hikers I see are loud, walking all over the trail
> and off it, leaving trash behind, carrying and drinking alcohol, being
> careless about their own safety and others... Yep. Hikers are certainly
> the cream of the crop of humanity.
> Don't insult us with your wishful generalizations. You may venture out
> with that frame of mind, but do NOT place all hikers in that very small
> subset. And, by the same logic, you can not reference all off-road
> cyclists' motives based on either your opinion of the activity or the
> actions of a minority to which you may (or simply claim to) witness.

I have just never seen any slob hikers, whereas I have seen plenty of slob
mountain bikers.

>>>> Curtiss, I urge you to get to a library and read something that was
>>>> written several hundred years ago. Most of what is presently being
>>>> written today is not good for you and will rot your brain. I suggest
>>>> you begin with Shakespeare and work your way up to the end of the 19th
>>>> century. Anything written after 1900 is not good for you and will make
>>>> you even worse than you already are. I plead with you to get some
>>>> culture and to give up your slob mountain biking ways.
>>>
>>> So now the great "Conan the Librarian" is pleading....? I don't need
>>> Shakespeare to read a tragedy - I can do that by looking at Vandeman's
>>> webpage.
>>>
>>>> PS. Be sure to get to work right away writing the definitive history of
>>>> the impact of mountain biking on the modern world.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> At least it would be more entertaining than reading the one-word history
>>> of the impact of Dolan on the modern world. (Dolan=Null)
>>> No thanks - I believe I would rather ride and experience it first
>>> hand...
>>
>> Personal experience is only worth so much. It has to be checked against
>> the experience of many others. Those who write books have generally
>> thought about a subject quite extensively. Do less riding and more
>> writing and maybe you will get clearer in your mind about what matters in
>> this world. I assure you that mountain biking matters hardly at all
>> whereas what the Great Ed Dolan thinks matters enormously.
>
> ..and where is the published work of Ed Dolan? (I already know you are not
> "Edward F. Dolan".)

It is only industrious beavers like yourself who can work their way up to
writing anything and getting it published. I am way too lazy for any such
endeavors. I am like God that way, it is simply enough that I am.

> Again... I think it is more advantageous I get out on the bike and see
> some trees. As far as what the "not so great ed dolan (Conan the
> Librarian)" thinks about anything...
> http://www.weirdlittlebiscuit.com/images/b3ta/donkey.jpg

Nope, I will never go to a link of yours because I do not trust you. But you
enjoy looking at your pictures all you want. I shall continue to contemplate
my navel as is my custom from my early childhood.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:eek:[email protected]:

> On Wed, 31 May 2006 12:01:46 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Tue, 30 May 2006 14:48:43 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>> On Sun, 28 May 2006 11:57:55 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At least it would be more entertaining than reading the
>>>>>>>> one-word history
>>>>>>>> of the impact of Dolan on the modern world. (Dolan=Null)
>>>>>>>> No thanks - I believe I would rather ride and experience it
>>>>>>>> first hand...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personal experience is only worth so much. It has to be checked
>>>>>>> against
>>>>>>> the experience of many others. Those who write books have
>>>>>>> generally thought about a subject quite extensively. Do less
>>>>>>> riding and more writing
>>>>>>> and maybe you will get clearer in your mind about what matters
>>>>>>> in this world. I assure you that mountain biking matters hardly
>>>>>>> at all whereas what the Great Ed Dolan thinks matters
>>>>>>> enormously.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>..and where is the published work of Ed Dolan? (I already know you
>>>>>>are not
>>>>>>"Edward F. Dolan".)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Again... I think it is more advantageous I get out on the bike
>>>>>>and see some
>>>>>>trees.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since when is it necessary to bring along a BIKE in order to see
>>>>> trees??? In fact, having to pay attention to controlling a BIKE
>>>>> interferes with your ability to look at trees -- if you were
>>>>> honest.
>>>>We've covered this - Your OPINION and lack of desire or ability is
>>>>no measure of the abilities of someone else. I can control a bike
>>>>and look at trees. Your lack of that ability, or desire to explore
>>>>that ability, is MEANINGLESS.
>>>>Since when is it necessary to use any type of tool to increase the
>>>>effectiveness of an activity?
>>>
>>> So you agree that it's not necessary to allow bikes off-road?
>>> ===
>>Who said it was "necessary"...? Making something "necessary"
>>(required, so to speak) is a far cry from making, or keeping, it legal
>>as an option. Your insistence that it be banned simply because you do
>>not choose to utilize it as a tool is not necessary, either. The
>>off-road bicycle is a tool, just as a backpack or canteen is a tool. A
>>loaded pack often weighs as much as a bicycle. You argue for banning
>>one tool based on your OPINIONS, which have not been PROVEN to be
>>anything but opinions. You scoff at other research, often conducted by
>>accredited researchers, if it counters your OPINIONS than rally behind
>>a battle of verbage and semantics when you get called on these
>>opinions. What has been proven unnecessary are your writings,
>>submissions and opinions. Road construction continues. Sprawl
>>continues. Habitat destruction continues. And the ONLY thing you
>>continue is to whine about bicycles... That is no longer pathetic...
>>It is simply a waste.
>
> Did you say something?

Yeah, he said you are wasting your time.

Has one off-road cyclist quit riding off road due to you posting your
opinions on this NG?? If so, please provide names, so that it can be
verified. If not, just proff that you are wasting your time.



> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>


--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
 
WTF are you on about...? Oh no - Did I post on top...? How silly of me..

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Curtiss is getting sloppy in his posting. If he can't post in the proper
> format, then let him begone. We do not need any more idiots here who do
> not know how to post.
>
> [EDWARD DOLAN WROTE:]
>
>
>>>>>>Nonsense, EVERYONE in the entire world KNOWS that mountain biking is
>>>>>>far
>>>>>>more dangerous than hiking. However, from my point of view, it is not
>>>>>>dangerous enough. I would like to see mountain bikers killing
>>>>>>themselves
>>>>>>by
>>>>>>the thousands going down steep rocky slopes. Hells Bells, I might even
>>>>>>help
>>>>>>them kill themselves by placing some obstacles on the trail for them
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>hit!
>>>>>>Yea, the more dead mountain bikers, the better!
>>>>>
>>>>> Luckily, their worst enemies are themselves. Evolution in action.
>>>>>
>>>>Thanks, Mike Vandeman, for again showing how you favor violence to solve
>>>>a
>>>>problem. (Duly noted and forever available as a Google Group search
>>>>under
>>>>"vandeman")
>>>
>>> Where do you see me advocating voiolence? You are fabricating again.
>>> What I REALLY said was "Luckily, their worst enemies are themselves.
>>> Evolution in action." I don't see the world "violence" there....
>>> ===
>> I see you making a statement in accordance and response to the statement
>> "Hells Bells, I might even help them kill themselves by placing some
>> obstacles on the trail for them to hit! Yea, the more dead mountain
>> bikers, the better!"
>>
>> Thanks again for showing your lack of substance by replying on semantics
>> rather than statement.
>
> Violence reigns supreme everywhere in the world. What do you think the
> Muslim terrorists are up to if not violence. If and when a mountain biker
> breaks his fool neck, then I say good riddance. Just one less slob to have
> to put up with in the wilderness. As I have already so aptly put it, the
> more dead mountain bikers, the better! Maybe Curtiss could do us all a
> favor and become one of them himself.

Who let Conan the Librarian out of the copy room...?
 
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:eek:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 31 May 2006 12:01:46 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Tue, 30 May 2006 14:48:43 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>> On Sun, 28 May 2006 11:57:55 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At least it would be more entertaining than reading the one-word
>>>>>>>> history
>>>>>>>> of the impact of Dolan on the modern world. (Dolan=Null)
>>>>>>>> No thanks - I believe I would rather ride and experience it first
>>>>>>>> hand...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personal experience is only worth so much. It has to be checked
>>>>>>> against
>>>>>>> the experience of many others. Those who write books have generally
>>>>>>> thought about a subject quite extensively. Do less riding and more
>>>>>>> writing
>>>>>>> and maybe you will get clearer in your mind about what matters in
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> world. I assure you that mountain biking matters hardly at all
>>>>>>> whereas
>>>>>>> what the Great Ed Dolan thinks matters enormously.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>..and where is the published work of Ed Dolan? (I already know you are
>>>>>>not
>>>>>>"Edward F. Dolan".)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Again... I think it is more advantageous I get out on the bike and
>>>>>>see
>>>>>>some
>>>>>>trees.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since when is it necessary to bring along a BIKE in order to see
>>>>> trees??? In fact, having to pay attention to controlling a BIKE
>>>>> interferes with your ability to look at trees -- if you were honest.
>>>>We've covered this - Your OPINION and lack of desire or ability is no
>>>>measure of the abilities of someone else. I can control a bike and look
>>>>at
>>>>trees. Your lack of that ability, or desire to explore that ability, is
>>>>MEANINGLESS.
>>>>Since when is it necessary to use any type of tool to increase the
>>>>effectiveness of an activity?
>>>
>>> So you agree that it's not necessary to allow bikes off-road?
>>> ===
>>Who said it was "necessary"...? Making something "necessary" (required, so
>>to speak) is a far cry from making, or keeping, it legal as an option.
>>Your
>>insistence that it be banned simply because you do not choose to utilize
>>it
>>as a tool is not necessary, either. The off-road bicycle is a tool, just
>>as
>>a backpack or canteen is a tool. A loaded pack often weighs as much as a
>>bicycle. You argue for banning one tool based on your OPINIONS, which have
>>not been PROVEN to be anything but opinions. You scoff at other research,
>>often conducted by accredited researchers, if it counters your OPINIONS
>>than
>>rally behind a battle of verbage and semantics when you get called on
>>these
>>opinions.
>>What has been proven unnecessary are your writings, submissions and
>>opinions. Road construction continues. Sprawl continues. Habitat
>>destruction
>>continues. And the ONLY thing you continue is to whine about bicycles...
>>That is no longer pathetic... It is simply a waste.
>
> Did you say something?

If you asked me on a Monday... I'd say "yeeeeaaaaassssssss".... If you
asked me on a Tuesday... I'd say "yeeeeeaaaaaasssssss"...
 
"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>>>
>> Hmmm... A lot of the hikers I see are loud, walking all over the trail
>> and off it, leaving trash behind, carrying and drinking alcohol, being
>> careless about their own safety and others... Yep. Hikers are certainly
>> the cream of the crop of humanity.
>> Don't insult us with your wishful generalizations. You may venture out
>> with that frame of mind, but do NOT place all hikers in that very small
>> subset. And, by the same logic, you can not reference all off-road
>> cyclists' motives based on either your opinion of the activity or the
>> actions of a minority to which you may (or simply claim to) witness.
>
> I have just never seen any slob hikers, whereas I have seen plenty of slob
> mountain bikers.

Then maybe its you... Perhaps you need a mirror.
>
>>>>> Curtiss, I urge you to get to a library and read something that was
>>>>> written several hundred years ago. Most of what is presently being
>>>>> written today is not good for you and will rot your brain. I suggest
>>>>> you begin with Shakespeare and work your way up to the end of the 19th
>>>>> century. Anything written after 1900 is not good for you and will make
>>>>> you even worse than you already are. I plead with you to get some
>>>>> culture and to give up your slob mountain biking ways.
>>>>
>>>> So now the great "Conan the Librarian" is pleading....? I don't need
>>>> Shakespeare to read a tragedy - I can do that by looking at Vandeman's
>>>> webpage.
>>>>
>>>>> PS. Be sure to get to work right away writing the definitive history
>>>>> of the impact of mountain biking on the modern world.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> At least it would be more entertaining than reading the one-word
>>>> history of the impact of Dolan on the modern world. (Dolan=Null)
>>>> No thanks - I believe I would rather ride and experience it first
>>>> hand...
>>>
>>> Personal experience is only worth so much. It has to be checked against
>>> the experience of many others. Those who write books have generally
>>> thought about a subject quite extensively. Do less riding and more
>>> writing and maybe you will get clearer in your mind about what matters
>>> in this world. I assure you that mountain biking matters hardly at all
>>> whereas what the Great Ed Dolan thinks matters enormously.
>>
>> ..and where is the published work of Ed Dolan? (I already know you are
>> not "Edward F. Dolan".)
>
> It is only industrious beavers like yourself who can work their way up to
> writing anything and getting it published. I am way too lazy for any such
> endeavors. I am like God that way, it is simply enough that I am.

You are... a waste of space? a blot on the floor? an ego with
constipation?
>
>> Again... I think it is more advantageous I get out on the bike and see
>> some trees. As far as what the "not so great ed dolan (Conan the
>> Librarian)" thinks about anything...
>> http://www.weirdlittlebiscuit.com/images/b3ta/donkey.jpg
>
> Nope, I will never go to a link of yours because I do not trust you. But
> you enjoy looking at your pictures all you want. I shall continue to
> contemplate my navel as is my custom from my early childhood.

....and all this time I thought you were a construct from A-51 that got loose
before being educated....
>
 
On 01 Jun 2006 13:46:13 GMT, Chris Foster
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:eek:[email protected]:
>
>> On Wed, 31 May 2006 12:01:46 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> On Tue, 30 May 2006 14:48:43 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>>> On Sun, 28 May 2006 11:57:55 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At least it would be more entertaining than reading the
>>>>>>>>> one-word history
>>>>>>>>> of the impact of Dolan on the modern world. (Dolan=Null)
>>>>>>>>> No thanks - I believe I would rather ride and experience it
>>>>>>>>> first hand...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Personal experience is only worth so much. It has to be checked
>>>>>>>> against
>>>>>>>> the experience of many others. Those who write books have
>>>>>>>> generally thought about a subject quite extensively. Do less
>>>>>>>> riding and more writing
>>>>>>>> and maybe you will get clearer in your mind about what matters
>>>>>>>> in this world. I assure you that mountain biking matters hardly
>>>>>>>> at all whereas what the Great Ed Dolan thinks matters
>>>>>>>> enormously.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>..and where is the published work of Ed Dolan? (I already know you
>>>>>>>are not
>>>>>>>"Edward F. Dolan".)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Again... I think it is more advantageous I get out on the bike
>>>>>>>and see some
>>>>>>>trees.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since when is it necessary to bring along a BIKE in order to see
>>>>>> trees??? In fact, having to pay attention to controlling a BIKE
>>>>>> interferes with your ability to look at trees -- if you were
>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>We've covered this - Your OPINION and lack of desire or ability is
>>>>>no measure of the abilities of someone else. I can control a bike
>>>>>and look at trees. Your lack of that ability, or desire to explore
>>>>>that ability, is MEANINGLESS.
>>>>>Since when is it necessary to use any type of tool to increase the
>>>>>effectiveness of an activity?
>>>>
>>>> So you agree that it's not necessary to allow bikes off-road?
>>>> ===
>>>Who said it was "necessary"...? Making something "necessary"
>>>(required, so to speak) is a far cry from making, or keeping, it legal
>>>as an option. Your insistence that it be banned simply because you do
>>>not choose to utilize it as a tool is not necessary, either. The
>>>off-road bicycle is a tool, just as a backpack or canteen is a tool. A
>>>loaded pack often weighs as much as a bicycle. You argue for banning
>>>one tool based on your OPINIONS, which have not been PROVEN to be
>>>anything but opinions. You scoff at other research, often conducted by
>>>accredited researchers, if it counters your OPINIONS than rally behind
>>>a battle of verbage and semantics when you get called on these
>>>opinions. What has been proven unnecessary are your writings,
>>>submissions and opinions. Road construction continues. Sprawl
>>>continues. Habitat destruction continues. And the ONLY thing you
>>>continue is to whine about bicycles... That is no longer pathetic...
>>>It is simply a waste.
>>
>> Did you say something?
>
>Yeah, he said you are wasting your time.
>
>Has one off-road cyclist quit riding off road due to you posting your
>opinions on this NG?? If so, please provide names, so that it can be
>verified. If not, just proff that you are wasting your time.

It's enough that I am educating all of you, even if you aren't smart
enough to know it.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
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