Mountain Bikers SILENT about Environmental Destruction in Their Backyard!



"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 12 May 2006 13:53:40 -0500, "di" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"davebee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> Bloody Nora. The last time I looked at this forum about a year ago Mr
>>> Vandeman was on his soapbox shouting some bollocks about cyclists. I
>>> come back and he is still shouting.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> davebee
>>>
>>
>>He's shouting because that's all he can do, he doesn't have the power or
>>support to do anything else. He's a "nothing" living in a world of make
>>believe, hoping someone will pay attention to him, but around here we all
>>treat him like a clown only good for entertainment purposes, and he
>>accommodates us.
>
> If that were true, you guys wouldn't be trying so hard to shut me up.
> ===
We're not trying to shut you up. We're posting alternative information and
opinions so anyone attempting real research on the subject will not have
only your half-witted opinions and presentations. We're also allowing you
the opportunity to argue yourself into a corner on positions you can not
support so everyone else can see how you respond. Hopefully, some of these
conferences you submit for a "call for papers" will come across some of your
posts and see exactly how you support these papers you present.
 
Gary S. wrote:
> On Sun, 14 May 2006 05:37:41 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Why would someone blow FOREVER their chance to talk with the world
>> expert on the environmental impacts of mountain biking, by being rude?
>> NOW he wants to apologize?! Is there ANY group in the world stupider
>> or more abusive than mountain bikers?????
>>
>> Mike
>>

Ummmm... you!? (Mikey V collection of quotes follow...)

I hate mountain BIKING.

Bikes belong on pavement. Period.

Nothing can possible mitigate the danger and discomfort of having to
watch out for speeding bikes when you want to experience nature.

And mountain bikers (I have never seen an exception) seem to feel that
it's necessary to lie.

I have yet to meet even ONE mountain biker who doesn't lie.

BS. I simply pointed out your lie.

Learn to read.

In fact, I have yet to meet a mountain bikers who ISN'T a slob.

Health comes from exercise, NOT from riding a bike.

I am still waiting to hear even ONE good reason to allow bikes off-road.

I just pointed out that mountain bikers are their own worst enemies.

BS. Mountain bikers support mountain biking. Nobody else does.

Banning bikes from natural areas causes no real hardship.

Mountain bikers aren't environmentalists, except in their own
minds,where it doesn't count.

After 10 years, I am still waiting to hear even ONE good reason to allow
bikes off-road.

There may be a non-idiot mountain biker (I'm open-minded!), but in 12
years of searching, I haven't found any. That's just a FACT.

Just get rid of the cars (many of which are driven by mountain bikers to
get to the trails)!

Mountain Bikers attack me as if I were a big threat to their way of
life. So I must be!

I've seen the animals killed by mountain bikers. I have yet to see an
animal killed by a hiker.

The solution is simple: keep bikes off trails. Bikes aren't human, and
don't have rights, you know.

Idiot.

There's no such thing as "responsible" mountain biking.

WALK. DUHHHHH!

That's obvious to everyone but mountain bikers.

You're wasting your breath. Mountain bikers don't listen to anyone, even
their peers.

I have seen it hundreds of times with my own eyes.

No, you are lying because you are afraid to tell the truth.

That is a bald-faced LIE.

I just tell the truth about things such as mountain biking.

BS. EVERY mountain biker I have met has demonstrated that they are
liars, you included.

It proves that a MAJORITY of mountain bikers, NOT just a" few bad
apples", as is usually claimed, break the law.

That's a bald-faced lie, disproved by my paper.

Mountain biking demonstrates ignorance and disrespect for the environment.

Mountain bikers get away with murder of wildlife all the time.

That's a lie. You can't prove it.

stay off the trails.

They are obviously irresponsible -- just like ALL mountain bikers.

Thanks for demonstrating just how utterly IGNORANT mountain bikers are.

If you think otherwise, produce a good reason to allow bikes off
pavement (HINT: there aren't any).

You can tell from my web site.

That's a LIE.

I have never met ANY group of people who lie as much as mountain bikers do.

In reality, any vehicles that are designed for off-road use, including
mountain bikes, are ORVs. DUH!

It's still impossible to experience nature while on a bike.

No one likes to encounter bikes when they go out to see NATURE.

Then stay on the road, where you can't destroy wildlife habitat.

mountain bikers are ensuring their own extinction by making
themselves impotent.

If we remove all nearby roads and trails, there won't be any way for the
typical lazy human to get there.

mountain biking should be banned.

knowing how violent mountain bikers are.

It's sad that you can't think of any way to have fun that isn't DESTRUCTIVE.

Education is also worthwhile. You should try it.

The only interest they have is in preserving MOUNTAIN BIKING. They could
care less if the wildlife all died.

You mountain bikers couldn't reason your way out of a paper bag.

riding a bike in natural areas, for which there is NO good reason.

Every one I have observed has acted irresponsibly and lied.

I don't think I have EVER seen a hiker act irresponsibly.

I just tell the truth. Mountain bikers hate that

Bikers rarely stop, since it doesn't give them the necessary THRILL.

mountain bikers, who are too lazy to ride to the trail head.

Some of the fattest people I have ever seen have been mountain bikers.
Off their bikes,
they can barely walk....

You are hopelessly brain-dead.

Mountain bikers are juveniles that don't care about anyone else.

They would have to agree with me, as everyone who has heard my talks
have done.

I love it when mountain bikers pick on each other, the way they pick on
everyone
else.

Anyone who claims he can enjoy watching nature while mountain biking is
LYING.

BS. I simply pointed out your lie.

You are LYING. It is a big waste of time talking with a liar.

BS. You just fabricated that.

It's obvious that mountain bikers want to censor any criticism of their
selfish,
destructive sport.

And ALL of them were debunked in my paper.

whipsnakes was killed by a mountain biker.

I win! You guys are so easy!

I'm having fun. It's like shooting fish in a barrel, you guys are SOOOO
easy!

I don't need to give any reasons.

You guys travel so fast that you have no way of knowing what you've
killed along the way.

Liar.

You are lying through your teeth.

Since bicycles require wider trails, parks now often use bulldozers to
create and maintain those trails.

More material for my anti-mtb web site.

Carbon Dioxide From Mountain Bikers Contributing to Global WARMING

Your threat of physical violence is duly noted.

DUH!

Did you say something?
 
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 13 May 2006 02:08:28 +1000, davebee
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"That is a lie. It's interesting that you provide not one shred of
>>evidence to support it. I'm sure you just heard that somewhere and
>>repeated it. Making assertions that you don't KNOW to be fact is
>>called "lying". See my point?"
>>
>>please can you provide evidence that the previous chap was "lying?"
>
> It was in the text that you conveniently removed.

Well - here's the text:
"> In
fact, many statements which I have noted on your website are opinions,
which are to the minds of many, not true. Congratulations that you
have such a self-assured confidence in the way you speak, but I can
promise you that you do, in fact, "lie" on many occasions and make a
public spectacle of it on your website.

It's interesting that you are unable to quote even ONE alleged "lie".
You wouldn't be LYING, would you?

>It has been proven that in many areas walking can make a larger
ecologically damaging footprint on the land than riding a bicycle
through it.

That is a lie. It's interesting that you provide not one shred of
evidence to support it. I'm sure you just heard that somewhere and
repeated it. Making assertions that you don't KNOW to be fact is
called "lying". See my point?"
---------------------------------------

Interesting how his assumption is automatically a "lie" yet your assumptions
that he calls attention to are not. Two differeing opinions are not "lies".
They are merely opinions. Your assertion that your "opinions" are somehow
more valid while any other different opinion is a "lie" only highlights your
bias further.

>
> you
>>have provided not a single shred of evidence that he is. you have simply
>>blandly stated that he is lying.
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
"S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> So you post a bunch of inflammatory opinions on a foundation of bias on a
> website and a few hotheads or children send you a few emails.
>
> How does this A: support the title you posted in the thread? (Mountain
> Bikers SILENT about Environmental Destruction in Their Backyard!) B: Prove
> ANYTHING about the major majority of people who are following the IMBA
> guidelines of being respectful on the trail?

Curtiss defends and supports the idiots that Vandeman points out to us.
Curitss is only a slightly more literate advocate than the email mountain
bikers with their obscenities and profanities, but like them he is a
scoundrel who is into nothing but the desecration of nature. He belongs in a
zoo with the other mountain biker animals, all of whom do not have enough
sense to know that bikes, no matter what they are called, do not belong on
hiking trails.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
So you post a bunch of inflammatory opinions on a foundation of bias on a
website and a few hotheads or children send you a few emails.

How does this A: support the title you posted in the thread? (Mountain
Bikers SILENT about Environmental Destruction in Their Backyard!) B: Prove
ANYTHING about the major majority of people who are following the IMBA
guidelines of being respectful on the trail?
 
"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:KBG9g.9771$B42.7876@dukeread05...
>
>> So you post a bunch of inflammatory opinions on a foundation of bias on a
>> website and a few hotheads or children send you a few emails.
>>
>> How does this A: support the title you posted in the thread? (Mountain
>> Bikers SILENT about Environmental Destruction in Their Backyard!) B:
>> Prove ANYTHING about the major majority of people who are following the
>> IMBA guidelines of being respectful on the trail?
>
> Curtiss defends and supports the idiots that Vandeman points out to us.
> Curitss is only a slightly more literate advocate than the email mountain
> bikers with their obscenities and profanities, but like them he is a
> scoundrel who is into nothing but the desecration of nature. He belongs in
> a zoo with the other mountain biker animals, all of whom do not have
> enough sense to know that bikes, no matter what they are called, do not
> belong on hiking trails.
>
Your comprehension skills are horrible. Either that or you apparently only
see what you want to see.
Where do I defend the persons sending him these emails? I merely asked how
this relative handful of bad examples "Prove ANYTHING about the major
majority of people who are following the IMBA guidelines of being respectful
on the trail?

Apparently, you would be perfectly OK with the following statements:

A few people use knives to rob other people so all people who own knives are
armed robbers.
A few people use the internet to scam little old ladies out of their savings
so all people who use the internet are guilty.
A few people hike in the woods and leave trash behind so all hikers are
litterbugs.

So please tell us, if you are indeed as "Great" as you claim to be, how the
statements above can be false when you stand beside Vandeman and his silly
postings with the same generalized implications:
A few people who claim to be mountain bikers send me angry or abusive emails
so every mountain biker is guilty of being angry and abusive.
 
"S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:KBG9g.9771$B42.7876@dukeread05...
>>
>>> So you post a bunch of inflammatory opinions on a foundation of bias on
>>> a website and a few hotheads or children send you a few emails.
>>>
>>> How does this A: support the title you posted in the thread? (Mountain
>>> Bikers SILENT about Environmental Destruction in Their Backyard!) B:
>>> Prove ANYTHING about the major majority of people who are following the
>>> IMBA guidelines of being respectful on the trail?
>>
>> Curtiss defends and supports the idiots that Vandeman points out to us.
>> Curitss is only a slightly more literate advocate than the email mountain
>> bikers with their obscenities and profanities, but like them he is a
>> scoundrel who is into nothing but the desecration of nature. He belongs
>> in a zoo with the other mountain biker animals, all of whom do not have
>> enough sense to know that bikes, no matter what they are called, do not
>> belong on hiking trails.
>>
> Your comprehension skills are horrible. Either that or you apparently only
> see what you want to see.
> Where do I defend the persons sending him these emails? I merely asked how
> this relative handful of bad examples "Prove ANYTHING about the major
> majority of people who are following the IMBA guidelines of being
> respectful on the trail?

I believe what Vandeman presents to us is typical of the idiots, morons and
imbeciles who call themselves mountain bikers. I have also run into these
types in the flesh (ugh!) on many occasions myself.

> Apparently, you would be perfectly OK with the following statements:
>
> A few people use knives to rob other people so all people who own knives
> are armed robbers.

Actually I am not much in favor of people carrying knives on their persons
no matter the purpose.

> A few people use the internet to scam little old ladies out of their
> savings so all people who use the internet are guilty.

Never respond to spam messages let alone buy anything from them. That way
you will avoid being scammed.

> A few people hike in the woods and leave trash behind so all hikers are
> litterbugs.

I am the sort of person who actually picks up other peoples' trash as a I
poke along the trail. How about you?

> So please tell us, if you are indeed as "Great" as you claim to be, how
> the statements above can be false when you stand beside Vandeman and his
> silly postings with the same generalized implications:
> A few people who claim to be mountain bikers send me angry or abusive
> emails so every mountain biker is guilty of being angry and abusive.

It seems to be more than a few!

Curtiss, you need to get on board and stop your defense of the indefensible.
You are on the side of the Devil and Vandeman is on the side of the Angels.
Can't you just hear the Heavenly Choir singing when you read his messages!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
Perpetually sorry Eddie. Tom
Edward Dolan wrote:
> "S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:7b2ag.10474$B42.6399@dukeread05...
> >
> > "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >> "S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:KBG9g.9771$B42.7876@dukeread05...
> >>
> >>> So you post a bunch of inflammatory opinions on a foundation of bias on
> >>> a website and a few hotheads or children send you a few emails.
> >>>
> >>> How does this A: support the title you posted in the thread? (Mountain
> >>> Bikers SILENT about Environmental Destruction in Their Backyard!) B:
> >>> Prove ANYTHING about the major majority of people who are following the
> >>> IMBA guidelines of being respectful on the trail?
> >>
> >> Curtiss defends and supports the idiots that Vandeman points out to us.
> >> Curitss is only a slightly more literate advocate than the email mountain
> >> bikers with their obscenities and profanities, but like them he is a
> >> scoundrel who is into nothing but the desecration of nature. He belongs
> >> in a zoo with the other mountain biker animals, all of whom do not have
> >> enough sense to know that bikes, no matter what they are called, do not
> >> belong on hiking trails.
> >>
> > Your comprehension skills are horrible. Either that or you apparently only
> > see what you want to see.
> > Where do I defend the persons sending him these emails? I merely asked how
> > this relative handful of bad examples "Prove ANYTHING about the major
> > majority of people who are following the IMBA guidelines of being
> > respectful on the trail?
>
> I believe what Vandeman presents to us is typical of the idiots, morons and
> imbeciles who call themselves mountain bikers. I have also run into these
> types in the flesh (ugh!) on many occasions myself.
>
> > Apparently, you would be perfectly OK with the following statements:
> >
> > A few people use knives to rob other people so all people who own knives
> > are armed robbers.
>
> Actually I am not much in favor of people carrying knives on their persons
> no matter the purpose.
>
> > A few people use the internet to scam little old ladies out of their
> > savings so all people who use the internet are guilty.
>
> Never respond to spam messages let alone buy anything from them. That way
> you will avoid being scammed.
>
> > A few people hike in the woods and leave trash behind so all hikers are
> > litterbugs.
>
> I am the sort of person who actually picks up other peoples' trash as a I
> poke along the trail. How about you?
>
> > So please tell us, if you are indeed as "Great" as you claim to be, how
> > the statements above can be false when you stand beside Vandeman and his
> > silly postings with the same generalized implications:
> > A few people who claim to be mountain bikers send me angry or abusive
> > emails so every mountain biker is guilty of being angry and abusive.
>
> It seems to be more than a few!
>
> Curtiss, you need to get on board and stop your defense of the indefensible.
> You are on the side of the Devil and Vandeman is on the side of the Angels.
> Can't you just hear the Heavenly Choir singing when you read his messages!
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
On Sun, 14 May 2006 10:06:19 -0400, ChainSmoker
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Gary S. wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 May 2006 05:37:41 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Why would someone blow FOREVER their chance to talk with the world
>>> expert on the environmental impacts of mountain biking, by being rude?
>>> NOW he wants to apologize?! Is there ANY group in the world stupider
>>> or more abusive than mountain bikers?????
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>
>Ummmm... you!? (Mikey V collection of quotes follow...)
>
>I hate mountain BIKING.
>
>Bikes belong on pavement. Period.
>
>Nothing can possible mitigate the danger and discomfort of having to
>watch out for speeding bikes when you want to experience nature.
>
>And mountain bikers (I have never seen an exception) seem to feel that
>it's necessary to lie.
>
>I have yet to meet even ONE mountain biker who doesn't lie.
>
>BS. I simply pointed out your lie.
>
>Learn to read.
>
>In fact, I have yet to meet a mountain bikers who ISN'T a slob.
>
>Health comes from exercise, NOT from riding a bike.
>
>I am still waiting to hear even ONE good reason to allow bikes off-road.
>
>I just pointed out that mountain bikers are their own worst enemies.
>
>BS. Mountain bikers support mountain biking. Nobody else does.
>
>Banning bikes from natural areas causes no real hardship.
>
>Mountain bikers aren't environmentalists, except in their own
>minds,where it doesn't count.
>
>After 10 years, I am still waiting to hear even ONE good reason to allow
>bikes off-road.
>
>There may be a non-idiot mountain biker (I'm open-minded!), but in 12
>years of searching, I haven't found any. That's just a FACT.
>
>Just get rid of the cars (many of which are driven by mountain bikers to
>get to the trails)!
>
>Mountain Bikers attack me as if I were a big threat to their way of
>life. So I must be!
>
>I've seen the animals killed by mountain bikers. I have yet to see an
>animal killed by a hiker.
>
>The solution is simple: keep bikes off trails. Bikes aren't human, and
>don't have rights, you know.
>
>Idiot.
>
>There's no such thing as "responsible" mountain biking.
>
>WALK. DUHHHHH!
>
>That's obvious to everyone but mountain bikers.
>
>You're wasting your breath. Mountain bikers don't listen to anyone, even
>their peers.
>
>I have seen it hundreds of times with my own eyes.
>
>No, you are lying because you are afraid to tell the truth.
>
>That is a bald-faced LIE.
>
>I just tell the truth about things such as mountain biking.
>
>BS. EVERY mountain biker I have met has demonstrated that they are
>liars, you included.
>
>It proves that a MAJORITY of mountain bikers, NOT just a" few bad
>apples", as is usually claimed, break the law.
>
>That's a bald-faced lie, disproved by my paper.
>
>Mountain biking demonstrates ignorance and disrespect for the environment.
>
>Mountain bikers get away with murder of wildlife all the time.
>
>That's a lie. You can't prove it.
>
>stay off the trails.
>
>They are obviously irresponsible -- just like ALL mountain bikers.
>
>Thanks for demonstrating just how utterly IGNORANT mountain bikers are.
>
>If you think otherwise, produce a good reason to allow bikes off
>pavement (HINT: there aren't any).
>
>You can tell from my web site.
>
>That's a LIE.
>
>I have never met ANY group of people who lie as much as mountain bikers do.
>
>In reality, any vehicles that are designed for off-road use, including
>mountain bikes, are ORVs. DUH!
>
>It's still impossible to experience nature while on a bike.
>
>No one likes to encounter bikes when they go out to see NATURE.
>
>Then stay on the road, where you can't destroy wildlife habitat.
>
>mountain bikers are ensuring their own extinction by making
>themselves impotent.
>
>If we remove all nearby roads and trails, there won't be any way for the
>typical lazy human to get there.
>
>mountain biking should be banned.
>
>knowing how violent mountain bikers are.
>
>It's sad that you can't think of any way to have fun that isn't DESTRUCTIVE.
>
>Education is also worthwhile. You should try it.
>
>The only interest they have is in preserving MOUNTAIN BIKING. They could
>care less if the wildlife all died.
>
>You mountain bikers couldn't reason your way out of a paper bag.
>
>riding a bike in natural areas, for which there is NO good reason.
>
>Every one I have observed has acted irresponsibly and lied.
>
>I don't think I have EVER seen a hiker act irresponsibly.
>
>I just tell the truth. Mountain bikers hate that
>
>Bikers rarely stop, since it doesn't give them the necessary THRILL.
>
>mountain bikers, who are too lazy to ride to the trail head.
>
>Some of the fattest people I have ever seen have been mountain bikers.
>Off their bikes,
>they can barely walk....
>
>You are hopelessly brain-dead.
>
>Mountain bikers are juveniles that don't care about anyone else.
>
>They would have to agree with me, as everyone who has heard my talks
>have done.
>
>I love it when mountain bikers pick on each other, the way they pick on
>everyone
>else.
>
>Anyone who claims he can enjoy watching nature while mountain biking is
>LYING.
>
>BS. I simply pointed out your lie.
>
>You are LYING. It is a big waste of time talking with a liar.
>
>BS. You just fabricated that.
>
>It's obvious that mountain bikers want to censor any criticism of their
>selfish,
>destructive sport.
>
>And ALL of them were debunked in my paper.
>
>whipsnakes was killed by a mountain biker.
>
>I win! You guys are so easy!
>
>I'm having fun. It's like shooting fish in a barrel, you guys are SOOOO
>easy!
>
>I don't need to give any reasons.
>
>You guys travel so fast that you have no way of knowing what you've
>killed along the way.
>
>Liar.
>
>You are lying through your teeth.
>
>Since bicycles require wider trails, parks now often use bulldozers to
>create and maintain those trails.
>
>More material for my anti-mtb web site.
>
>Carbon Dioxide From Mountain Bikers Contributing to Global WARMING
>
>Your threat of physical violence is duly noted.
>
>DUH!
>
>Did you say something?

Thanks for the help.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>> "S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:KBG9g.9771$B42.7876@dukeread05...
>>>
>>>> So you post a bunch of inflammatory opinions on a foundation of bias on
>>>> a website and a few hotheads or children send you a few emails.
>>>>
>>>> How does this A: support the title you posted in the thread? (Mountain
>>>> Bikers SILENT about Environmental Destruction in Their Backyard!) B:
>>>> Prove ANYTHING about the major majority of people who are following the
>>>> IMBA guidelines of being respectful on the trail?
>>>
>>> Curtiss defends and supports the idiots that Vandeman points out to us.
>>> Curitss is only a slightly more literate advocate than the email
>>> mountain bikers with their obscenities and profanities, but like them he
>>> is a scoundrel who is into nothing but the desecration of nature. He
>>> belongs in a zoo with the other mountain biker animals, all of whom do
>>> not have enough sense to know that bikes, no matter what they are
>>> called, do not belong on hiking trails.
>>>
>> Your comprehension skills are horrible. Either that or you apparently
>> only see what you want to see.
>> Where do I defend the persons sending him these emails? I merely asked
>> how this relative handful of bad examples "Prove ANYTHING about the major
>> majority of people who are following the IMBA guidelines of being
>> respectful on the trail?
>
> I believe what Vandeman presents to us is typical of the idiots, morons
> and imbeciles who call themselves mountain bikers. I have also run into
> these types in the flesh (ugh!) on many occasions myself.
>
>> Apparently, you would be perfectly OK with the following statements:
>>
>> A few people use knives to rob other people so all people who own knives
>> are armed robbers.
>
> Actually I am not much in favor of people carrying knives on their persons
> no matter the purpose.
>
>> A few people use the internet to scam little old ladies out of their
>> savings so all people who use the internet are guilty.
>
> Never respond to spam messages let alone buy anything from them. That way
> you will avoid being scammed.
>
>> A few people hike in the woods and leave trash behind so all hikers are
>> litterbugs.
>
> I am the sort of person who actually picks up other peoples' trash as a I
> poke along the trail. How about you?
>
>> So please tell us, if you are indeed as "Great" as you claim to be, how
>> the statements above can be false when you stand beside Vandeman and his
>> silly postings with the same generalized implications:
>> A few people who claim to be mountain bikers send me angry or abusive
>> emails so every mountain biker is guilty of being angry and abusive.
>
> It seems to be more than a few!

That's all "the Great" can come up with...?
>
> Curtiss, you need to get on board and stop your defense of the
> indefensible. You are on the side of the Devil and Vandeman is on the side
> of the Angels. Can't you just hear the Heavenly Choir singing when you
> read his messages!

I would not expect a Heavenly Choir to be singing while someone is
presenting incorrect information, advocating injury, and lying about
credentials.
>
 
Mike Vandeman wrote:
> Thanks for the help.
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Would it freaking kill you to trim a post so no one has to scroll
through 4 pages of your dribble? Oh wait that would imply common
courtesy which we all know you don't have.
 
Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Sun, 14 May 2006 10:06:19 -0400, ChainSmoker

>
> Thanks for the help.
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Did you say something?
 
Mike Vandeman wrote:
<the same **** over and over again>
> ===
> I am working on creating troll habitat that is off-limits to
> humans with intelligence. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years wanking my cross-posts all over Usenet.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On Sun, 14 May 2006 09:46:41 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>So you post a bunch of inflammatory opinions on a foundation of bias on a
>website and a few hotheads or children send you a few emails.
>
>How does this A: support the title you posted in the thread? (Mountain
>Bikers SILENT about Environmental Destruction in Their Backyard!) B: Prove
>ANYTHING about the major majority of people who are following the IMBA
>guidelines of being respectful on the trail?

You are either very ignorant or very dishonest. Take your pick. IMBA's
response, when 4 mountain bikers were arrested for building illegal
trails, was that there aren't enough legal trails -- implying that
such illegal trailbuilding is okay. So much for respectability! IMBA
also censored information on its website that proves that mountain
biking is more harmful than hiking. So much for respectability!
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On Sun, 14 May 2006 10:11:33 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sat, 13 May 2006 02:08:28 +1000, davebee
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"That is a lie. It's interesting that you provide not one shred of
>>>evidence to support it. I'm sure you just heard that somewhere and
>>>repeated it. Making assertions that you don't KNOW to be fact is
>>>called "lying". See my point?"
>>>
>>>please can you provide evidence that the previous chap was "lying?"
>>
>> It was in the text that you conveniently removed.
>
>Well - here's the text:
>"> In
>fact, many statements which I have noted on your website are opinions,
>which are to the minds of many, not true. Congratulations that you
>have such a self-assured confidence in the way you speak, but I can
>promise you that you do, in fact, "lie" on many occasions and make a
>public spectacle of it on your website.
>
>It's interesting that you are unable to quote even ONE alleged "lie".
>You wouldn't be LYING, would you?
>
>>It has been proven

This is a LIE, not a statement of opinion. The latter would start "I
think that...". QED

that in many areas walking can make a larger
>ecologically damaging footprint on the land than riding a bicycle
>through it.
>
>That is a lie. It's interesting that you provide not one shred of
>evidence to support it. I'm sure you just heard that somewhere and
>repeated it. Making assertions that you don't KNOW to be fact is
>called "lying". See my point?"
>---------------------------------------
>
>Interesting how his assumption is automatically a "lie" yet your assumptions
>that he calls attention to are not. Two differeing opinions are not "lies".
>They are merely opinions. Your assertion that your "opinions" are somehow
>more valid while any other different opinion is a "lie" only highlights your
>bias further.
>
>>
>> you
>>>have provided not a single shred of evidence that he is. you have simply
>>>blandly stated that he is lying.
>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On Sun, 14 May 2006 09:58:24 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 12 May 2006 13:32:00 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You constantly on about how us mountain bikers cause so much errosion.
>>>>> Here's a photo YOU posted:
>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/006_4-725668.21.jpg Now, you have a pHD
>>>>> in mathematics, so you should be able to look at this and tell me what
>>>>> percent of that area is trail. Pretty insignificat huh? You're
>>>>> constant
>>>>> complaining about how we cause so much "errosion", but look at the
>>>>> percent of trails compared to the area. Sure, a trail might errode,
>>>>> but
>>>>> the 99% of the park around it is just fine.
>>>>
>>>> The fact is that riding there is ILLEGAL. Why do you ignore the
>>>> abusive, unlawful behaviour of your fellow mountain bikers????? I
>>>> don't think you can answer that honestly.
>>>Riding where is illegal...?
>>
>> On the trail depicted in that photo. Can't even you READ?
>
>Looked at the photo. Nothing there says illegal. No sign says illegal.

Then ask the park. They will confirm that he is riding illegally.

How
>do read something that is not there? Is this how you support your
>OPINIONS...? With information that isn't there? That could be practically
>any trail in the world. Hell, it looks a lot like the back area at Snowshoe
>Resort in West Virginia. It could even be the open field beyond Green Hill
>Park (soccer and baseball) in Salem, VA. Both, by the way, are perfectly
>legal for off-road cycling.
>>
>> Why do you ignore the abusive, (trash, fires,
>>>trampling) and unlawful behavior of your fellow hikers and imply that
>>>cycling is the cause of all? I don't think you can answer that honestly.
>>>To
>>>do so would require you to admit poor behavior by hikers has been altering
>>>forest and habitat areas for years before mountain biking ever came along.
>>>And if you admit that, you have to admit your constant focus on the
>>>removal
>>>of bicycles is unfounded because cycling is NOT the destructive force you
>>>claim it to be.
>>>>
>>>>> What about the hikers themselves. They make alot of trails in the
>>>>> first
>>>>> place, and then widen them for going around mud, or dust bins.
>>>>
>>>> But I don't support trail construction. YOU do. WHY? I don't think you
>>>> can answer that honestly.
>>>How do you venture into the woods, MV, if you do not utilize the trails?
>>>Trampling on virgin vegetation? Displacing animals from their undisturbed
>>>homes?
>
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On Tue, 16 May 2006 13:07:30 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>>> "S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:KBG9g.9771$B42.7876@dukeread05...
>>>>
>>>>> So you post a bunch of inflammatory opinions on a foundation of bias on
>>>>> a website and a few hotheads or children send you a few emails.
>>>>>
>>>>> How does this A: support the title you posted in the thread? (Mountain
>>>>> Bikers SILENT about Environmental Destruction in Their Backyard!) B:
>>>>> Prove ANYTHING about the major majority of people who are following the
>>>>> IMBA guidelines of being respectful on the trail?
>>>>
>>>> Curtiss defends and supports the idiots that Vandeman points out to us.
>>>> Curitss is only a slightly more literate advocate than the email
>>>> mountain bikers with their obscenities and profanities, but like them he
>>>> is a scoundrel who is into nothing but the desecration of nature. He
>>>> belongs in a zoo with the other mountain biker animals, all of whom do
>>>> not have enough sense to know that bikes, no matter what they are
>>>> called, do not belong on hiking trails.
>>>>
>>> Your comprehension skills are horrible. Either that or you apparently
>>> only see what you want to see.
>>> Where do I defend the persons sending him these emails? I merely asked
>>> how this relative handful of bad examples "Prove ANYTHING about the major
>>> majority of people who are following the IMBA guidelines of being
>>> respectful on the trail?
>>
>> I believe what Vandeman presents to us is typical of the idiots, morons
>> and imbeciles who call themselves mountain bikers. I have also run into
>> these types in the flesh (ugh!) on many occasions myself.
>>
>>> Apparently, you would be perfectly OK with the following statements:
>>>
>>> A few people use knives to rob other people so all people who own knives
>>> are armed robbers.
>>
>> Actually I am not much in favor of people carrying knives on their persons
>> no matter the purpose.
>>
>>> A few people use the internet to scam little old ladies out of their
>>> savings so all people who use the internet are guilty.
>>
>> Never respond to spam messages let alone buy anything from them. That way
>> you will avoid being scammed.
>>
>>> A few people hike in the woods and leave trash behind so all hikers are
>>> litterbugs.
>>
>> I am the sort of person who actually picks up other peoples' trash as a I
>> poke along the trail. How about you?
>>
>>> So please tell us, if you are indeed as "Great" as you claim to be, how
>>> the statements above can be false when you stand beside Vandeman and his
>>> silly postings with the same generalized implications:
>>> A few people who claim to be mountain bikers send me angry or abusive
>>> emails so every mountain biker is guilty of being angry and abusive.
>>
>> It seems to be more than a few!
>
>That's all "the Great" can come up with...?
>>
>> Curtiss, you need to get on board and stop your defense of the
>> indefensible. You are on the side of the Devil and Vandeman is on the side
>> of the Angels. Can't you just hear the Heavenly Choir singing when you
>> read his messages!
>
>I would not expect a Heavenly Choir to be singing while someone is
>presenting incorrect information, advocating injury, and lying about
>credentials.

Your nose is growing again. It's pretty long, by now....
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
JD wrote:
> Mike Vandeman wrote:
> <the same **** over and over again>
>> ===
>> I am working on creating troll habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans with intelligence. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years wanking my cross-posts all over Usenet.)
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
Flame Warriors is a hilarious site. This is probably Mikey:

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/crybaby.htm

--
Pat O'Connell
[note munged EMail address]
Take nothing but pictures, Leave nothing but footprints,
Kill nothing but vandals...
 
"S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:pFnag.10538$B42.4591@dukeread05...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>>> "S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:KBG9g.9771$B42.7876@dukeread05...
>>>>
>>>>> So you post a bunch of inflammatory opinions on a foundation of bias
>>>>> on a website and a few hotheads or children send you a few emails.
>>>>>
>>>>> How does this A: support the title you posted in the thread? (Mountain
>>>>> Bikers SILENT about Environmental Destruction in Their Backyard!) B:
>>>>> Prove ANYTHING about the major majority of people who are following
>>>>> the IMBA guidelines of being respectful on the trail?
>>>>
>>>> Curtiss defends and supports the idiots that Vandeman points out to us.
>>>> Curitss is only a slightly more literate advocate than the email
>>>> mountain bikers with their obscenities and profanities, but like them
>>>> he is a scoundrel who is into nothing but the desecration of nature. He
>>>> belongs in a zoo with the other mountain biker animals, all of whom do
>>>> not have enough sense to know that bikes, no matter what they are
>>>> called, do not belong on hiking trails.
>>>>
>>> Your comprehension skills are horrible. Either that or you apparently
>>> only see what you want to see.
>>> Where do I defend the persons sending him these emails? I merely asked
>>> how this relative handful of bad examples "Prove ANYTHING about the
>>> major majority of people who are following the IMBA guidelines of being
>>> respectful on the trail?
>>
>> I believe what Vandeman presents to us is typical of the idiots, morons
>> and imbeciles who call themselves mountain bikers. I have also run into
>> these types in the flesh (ugh!) on many occasions myself.
>>
>>> Apparently, you would be perfectly OK with the following statements:
>>>
>>> A few people use knives to rob other people so all people who own knives
>>> are armed robbers.
>>
>> Actually I am not much in favor of people carrying knives on their
>> persons no matter the purpose.
>>
>>> A few people use the internet to scam little old ladies out of their
>>> savings so all people who use the internet are guilty.
>>
>> Never respond to spam messages let alone buy anything from them. That way
>> you will avoid being scammed.
>>
>>> A few people hike in the woods and leave trash behind so all hikers are
>>> litterbugs.
>>
>> I am the sort of person who actually picks up other peoples' trash as I
>> poke along the trail. How about you?
>>
>>> So please tell us, if you are indeed as "Great" as you claim to be, how
>>> the statements above can be false when you stand beside Vandeman and his
>>> silly postings with the same generalized implications:
>>> A few people who claim to be mountain bikers send me angry or abusive
>>> emails so every mountain biker is guilty of being angry and abusive.
>>
>> It seems to be more than a few!
>
> That's all "the Great" can come up with...?

You write about what you want to write about and in your own inimitable
manner and I will do the same.

>> Curtiss, you need to get on board and stop your defense of the
>> indefensible. You are on the side of the Devil and Vandeman is on the
>> side of the Angels. Can't you just hear the Heavenly Choir singing when
>> you read his messages!
>
> I would not expect a Heavenly Choir to be singing while someone is
> presenting incorrect information, advocating injury, and lying about
> credentials.

I have not noted any of the above.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


>>
>
>
 
On Tue, 16 May 2006 20:53:12 -0600, Pat O'Connell <[email protected]>
wrote:

>JD wrote:
>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> <the same **** over and over again>
>>> ===
>>> I am working on creating troll habitat that is off-limits to
>>> humans with intelligence. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>> years wanking my cross-posts all over Usenet.)
>>>
>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>
>Flame Warriors is a hilarious site. This is probably Mikey:
>
>http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/crybaby.htm

Sour grapes?
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
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