Is road cycling dangerous?



Originally Posted by CAMPYBOB


Yup. A stereotypical drugaholic. And probably a "holier than thou" type on top of it all...might as well toss that one in there while I'm stereotyping.
Actually, Episcopalians tend to be among the least sanctimonious of the various Christian sects. The direct New World descendent of the Church of England, the Episcopalian church is rich in tradition and ritual but, like good establishment WASPS, more reticent than most regarding evangelicalism and public judgmentalism.

For a detailed and nuanced guide to Episcopalian stereotypes, read Florence King's WASP, Where is Thy Sting?

I'm saddened by the news of Tom Palermo's death. He was a craftsman, a father, and a valued member of his community, the kind of guy I'd like to have known.
 
Yes its dangerous. Like others have said, so is everything. Its a good exercise in personal responsibility. Even when driving a car I never get closer than thirty feet to the driver in front. I never believe the signals people give either. I always wait till I have the ground available to pull out. If you treat every other road user as mentally deficient and maliciously homicidal then your altered behaviour will result in a higher probability of you living. Works for me.
 
The most dangerous day, even for pedestrians. http://m.wcvb.com/news/police-cruiser-responding-to-call-runs-over-pedestrian-in-chatham/30487966?utm_campaign=WCVB%20Channel%205%20Boston%20-%20wcvb5&utm_medium=FBPAGE&utm_source=Social Don't drink and walk would also seem to apply.
 
Read about that lacrosse player/college that was run over by the cruiser on route to a call earlier this evening. Not good.

Odds on the guy being:
(a) drunk and passed out
(b) planking
(c) doing drugz
(d) all of the above

The schizo in Florida that chopped off his mom's head...just too much insanity going around these days. His mug shot says it all:
 
Quote by OBC:
"Actually, Episcopalians tend to be among the least sanctimonious of the various Christian sects."

The Spanish Inquisition pic of the 3 Bishops, See No Evil, Hear No Evil and Aw Hellz, Let's Get Toasted lends credence to your statement.

I know that after a fifth of Irish, a bottle of rose and few bong hits I tend to lose all judgement.
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Seems like a sober cyclist can't trust anybody these days. tawraste is correct: treat them all like they're out to kill you. It's very likely they are. You know, I didn't like cycling paths and rails-to-trails cycling for many years. The more I read about the mayhem on the roads the more I enjoy my rides on them.
 
Originally Posted by CAMPYBOB
Read about that lacrosse player/college that was run over by the cruiser on route to a call earlier this evening. Not good.

Odds on the guy being:
(a) drunk and passed out
(b) planking
(c) doing drugz
(d) all of the above

The schizo in Florida that chopped off his mom's head...just too much insanity going around these days. His mug shot says it all:
Drunk, probably. Lots of the back roads on the Cape still don't have lights, either. And many are far from straight. I've run over some pretty good sized roadkill (already dead, I mean) at night, that I never saw until I heard the thump under my tires.
 
Our country roads are moonlit...maybe. It's easy to over-drive even a good set of Lucas Hella driving lights on top of high beams due to all the blind corners and hills and rises. A man's got to know his limitations. It's a panic reaction (no matter how many times it's happened) to grab the shifter and throw out the anchor when there's suddenly a 300+ pound buck standing in the middle of the road only 100'-200' away from $2,000-$10,000 worth of insurance claim. With the slower reaction time of a drugaholic... The Bishop is probably very much repenting her sins these days. Let's hope Mr. Palermo is now silver brazing Colombus, Dedaccaia and Reynolds frames for the Heavenly Host!
 
College...perfect for getting wasted, getting laid and maybe getting enough of an education along the way to keep you out of the gutter.

May he R.I.P.

I haven't read any updates on the big ol' Bishop in the Soobie Forester. Hopefully the doctors have her on some really good anti-anxiety dope.
 
CAMPYBOB said:
College...perfect for getting wasted, getting laid and maybe getting enough of an education along the way to keep you out of the gutter. May he R.I.P. I haven't read any updates on the big ol' Bishop in the Soobie Forester. Hopefully the doctors have her on some really good anti-anxiety dope.
The poor cop is really shaken, from what I hear. Small town department, in a town where everyone knows everyone, these guys really look at their jobs as protecting and serving. It's not a bad area to live in.
 
It is certainly a "risk to rewards" scenerio. I have been riding for about 18 years and have never been involved in an accident, but my sister has been in two accidents that each landed her in an ambulance, shoulder surgery, and ongoing treatment for head trauma in four years. I think that ones own bike handling skills, powers of perception, and reflexes all make a difference. Your mom sees no reward for herself, so she doesn't feel that the road riding is worth the risk. You see the rewards, and determine the rewards to outweigh the risks. Be forewarned, tractor trailers ABSOLUTELY will create winds that will affect you, but they don't blow you away...they suck you toward them. Here is my thought when I'm on the bike: Any car that gives me room is being thoughtful and I wave to say thank you--we need more friends and fewer enemies out there. Anybody who crowds me sets up a nice draft, and I'm thankful for them too, but feel no need to thank them. You cannot dwell on the driver who isn't paying attention and doesn't see you. Remember that those drivers don't want to hit you any more than you want to be hit, but that doesn't mean that they want you out on the roads either. Show respect, and while you may or may not receive it in return, you will know that you did what you could do, and it made you smile. I don't envy any parent who has children that want to ride on the road...or snowboard...or play hockey...or any other host of dangerous (but rewarding) activities. Life is better spent in reality than in "what if..." so I suggest you get out and ride on the roads if you want to...with a helmet, and maybe a mirror.
 
The Bishop was Bombed.

.22 BAC this time. To make matters worse she was texting even as she smashed in cyclist Tom Palermo.

She sounds like she's an alcoholic.

She also sounds like a moron. Texting while driving? Might as well be playing Russian Roulette.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/01/10/maryland-bishop-facing-manslaughter-charge-in-custody/

Maryland bishop facing manslaughter charge in custody

In a spectacular fall from grace, Maryland's second-highest ranking Episcopal leader and the first female bishop in her diocese was charged with drunken driving and manslaughter after fatally striking a cyclist in late December.

Heather Cook, 58, turned herself in to authorities Friday, according to her attorney, David Irwin. Online court records show Cook's bail was set at $2.5 million. It was unclear late Friday whether she had posted bail. A trial is scheduled for Feb. 6.

The charges came less than a week after the national Episcopal Church announced it had opened an investigation into Cook, whose ties to the church span generations.

On Dec. 27, Cook struck and killed Tom Palermo, 41, while he was riding his bicycle. According to prosecutors, Cook left the scene for 30 minutes before returning, and registered a blood-alcohol content of .22 percent after the wreck. Palermo died of a head injury at a nearby hospital later that day.

Less than four months earlier, Cook was ordained as the diocese of Maryland's first female bishop. She attended an Episcopal girls school and had served as a boarding school chaplain, an assistant at a parish in New York and a member of two diocesan staffs. Her father, also a priest, raised his family in the historic Old St. Paul's Episcopal Church rectory in downtown Baltimore. According to Cook's autobiographical statement, when Cook herself was ordained as a deacon, her father removed "the stole from around his own neck and placed it over mine."
But Cook's father, like her, had a history of alcohol abuse. In 1977, the Rev. Halsey Cook told the Old St. Paul's congregation in a sermon that he was an alcoholic suffering a relapse and seeking treatment, calling alcoholism "a rampant epidemic in our society" and a "fatal disease, not only of the body but of the mind and spirit," according to an article that year in The Baltimore Sun.

Heather Cook, too, has had repeated problems with alcohol. In 2010, Cook was charged with drunken driving on Maryland's Eastern Shore after registering a blood alcohol content of .27 percent. Police found wine, liquor and marijuana in her car. The drug charges were dropped after Cook pleaded guilty to the drunken driving offense, and she received probation.

Diocese of Maryland spokeswoman Sharon Tillman said those charges were disclosed to search committee members during a vetting process as the diocese searched for a new bishop. However, the information was not shared with those people -- clergy and lay church members -- who voted among four finalists. Following a complaint made last week, national church leaders decided to open an investigation to determine whether Cook violated church law in Palermo's death.

The Right Rev. Eugene Taylor Sutton, bishop of the diocese, said in a statement Friday that the community is "heartbroken."
"We cry for the Palermo family, our sister Heather and all in the community who are hurting," Sutton said.

Palermo's sister-in-law thanked Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby for prosecuting Cook. Mosby took office Monday.

"We are deeply saddened to learn of the events leading up to the senseless hit-and-run accident that claimed Tom's life, and support the prosecutor's efforts to hold Bishop Heather Cook accountable for her actions to the fullest extent of the law," Alisa Rock said in a statement.
The church investigation is separate from the criminal probe, which took nearly two weeks to produce charges. Antonio Gioia, the chief of the conviction-integrity unit for the office of Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby, said Cook was not charged immediately to avoid the possibility of double jeopardy. If Cook had been given a traffic ticket, that might have prevented prosecutors from filing additional, more serious charges.
"It behooves us to take our time and get it right," Gioia said.

Prosecutors say Cook was texting on her cellphone when she veered and struck Palermo from behind in a residential neighborhood in northern Baltimore. The impact threw him onto the car's hood and windshield, and he landed on a curb. Mosby said Cook went to her nearby home before returning. After she was taken to a police station, Cook was given a breath test, according to charging documents.

In addition to felony vehicular manslaughter, Cook was charged with criminal negligent manslaughter, failure to remain at the scene of an accident resulting in serious injury and death, using a text messaging device that resulted in an accident and three drunken driving charges. If convicted of all charges, Cook could face more than 20 years in prison.
 
Quoe by mpre53:
"The poor cop is really shaken, from what I hear."

I can only imagine. The effects of someone else's personal behavior will be with him for the rest of his life.
 
Bob I am told she will be forgiven. I myself am not in the forgiveness business and I will leave it at that.
 
Originally Posted by Jonathond
Remember that those drivers don't want to hit you any more than you want to be hit, but that doesn't mean that they want you out on the roads either. Show respect, and while you may or may not receive it in return, you will know that you did what you could do, and it made you smile. I don't envy any parent who has children that want to ride on the road...or snowboard...or play hockey...or any other host of dangerous (but rewarding) activities. Life is better spent in reality than in "what if..." so I suggest you get out and ride on the roads if you want to...with a helmet, and maybe a mirror.
Well put.
 
Quote by JH:
" I myself am not in the forgiveness business and I will leave it at that."

I have an ex that was constantly asking for another chance.

Eventually I ran out of ***** to give.

The Bishop should lose her driving privileges for life, do some time and be sentenced to ride a bike for the rest of her life.
 
I'll forgive her after she does at least a ten year bit. With not driving as a condition of her parole. Clerics usually don't have a lot in the assets department for a wrongful death suits. She was driving an old Subaru. Probably lives in church manses or other church provided dwellings. And she probably won't be earning a salary that can be garnished anytime soon. Tom's family is probably stuck with the limits of her liability policy. Might be as little as the legal minimum in MD.
 
It may well be a Limits Case that goes to the top of her policy. The judge or arbiter can award treble damages, but if it isn't there...you can't get blood from a stone.

JH, what are the odds that the church gets named in the suit? Slim to none?

Never driving another day in her life would be the minimum I would ask. 10 years for vehicular homicide sounds about right. Being state charges, she would probably serve 3 or 4 years.

I know 95% of humanity is below average (The scientifically established and world reknowned Campy Curve), but how dumb is an individual to get back behind the wheel in the same condition she had already been *****-slapped for doing? Google Santambrogio's recent doping bust WHILE already serving a ban for a prior doping bust and she's in THAT category of Special Stoopid.