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  1. Stevie D said:
    Velvet said:

    I'm still trying to get across the point that cycle paths can be a lot
    more dangerous, or don't get you where you want to go if you're cycling
    to/from a destination, even if they are nice for leisure cycling - I'm
    past the stage of pootling along a cycle path slowly (yay!).

    Those points are not absolutely intrinsic to cycle paths, though. It
    would be perfectly possible to design a city with an integral network
    of cycle routes that (i) give quick, direct access to places, and (ii)
    are sufficiently wide and well-segregated from other users.

    I don't know to what extend Canada achieves this - but I've yet to see
    anywhere in Britain that comes close.

    True - but it was just that every mention of cycle paths (and how
    wonderful they were) also seemed to be in the same breath as 'along the
    river/in the national park' etc, rather than how they linked lots of
    useful places.

    My parents' idea of cycling is *very* different to mine. They still
    think roads are too dangerous to cycle on, that I'm mad for cycling
    anywhere except on paths, and that I'm mad full stop, really, for
    getting a bike again after all these years.

    I'll spare you the details of their comments when I regale them with
    tales of 30 mile rides, and the reaction when I told them I was doing
    the london to cambridge ride...

    My concern is, you see, that their idea of a good network of cycle paths
    is from the perspective of a not-well-informed non-cyclist. They
    thought cycle helmets offered similar levels of protection to riding
    hats, after all - and insisted that I ride on the pavement as a kid and
    never on the road - and still think badly designed cycle paths beside
    roads are better than the roads themselves.

    --

    Velvet

  2. Tony Raven said:

    Look into the Japan Rail Pass. You have to organise it in the UK but if
    you are planning to travel a lot (and trains are how everybody travels)
    it can work out a bargain. It only works on the JR network so check you
    don't want one of other companies routes for some of your journeys.

    Seems unlikely to be worthwhile from Arthur's description of a stay in
    Tokyo with a few days elsewhere. It can't be used on the fastest
    shinkansen and a week pass costs quite a lot more than a trip to Kyoto
    and back. For a determined traveller, of course it is a different matter.

    James
    --
    If I have seen further than others, it is
    by treading on the toes of giants.
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  3. James Annan <[email hidden]> wrote:

    : Seems unlikely to be worthwhile from Arthur's description of a stay in
    : Tokyo with a few days elsewhere. It can't be used on the fastest
    : shinkansen and a week pass costs quite a lot more than a trip to Kyoto
    : and back. For a determined traveller, of course it is a different matter.

    I have 10 days in Japan: fly into Tokyo to stop with my friend. Then
    we have a few days (3-5) to go somewhere else before coming back to
    Tokyo for the wedding. We then fly out two days later.

    It's what to do with those days outside Tokyo that I'm still pondering...

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  4. James Annan said:
    Tony Raven said:

    Look into the Japan Rail Pass. You have to organise it in the UK but
    if you are planning to travel a lot (and trains are how everybody
    travels) it can work out a bargain. It only works on the JR network
    so check you don't want one of other companies routes for some of your
    journeys.

    Seems unlikely to be worthwhile from Arthur's description of a stay in
    Tokyo with a few days elsewhere. It can't be used on the fastest
    shinkansen and a week pass costs quite a lot more than a trip to Kyoto
    and back. For a determined traveller, of course it is a different matter.

    James

    I must be a determined traveller. In a couple of weeks we made it all
    the way down to Kagoshima and back and got more than our monies worth
    from a 14 day pass. My recollection is you just about break even on a
    trip to Kyoto with a 7 day pass. You can buy shorter times and even
    limited to local parts of the country e.g. a Japan East Pass which are
    cheaper. The restriction on using the Nozumi is getting more of a
    problem as they take over the timetable but the Hikari are still fast
    and frequent enough, especially for those used to the FBR (Formerly
    British Rail)

    Unfortunately not available to people like you unless you leave the
    country to get one ;-)

    Tony

  5. "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    The Chief Constable is answerable to the Cambridgshire Police Authority;
    your representatives on that authority are:

    Judy Broadway Liberal Democrat
    Jane Coston Liberal Democrat
    Janet Jones Labour
    John Reynolds Conservative
    Jillian Tuck Conservative
    Keith Walters Conservative
    Ramon Wilkinson Conservative

    Their job is to set the policing agenda, and to ensure the Chief
    Constable delivers it. If the Cambridge cycling action group (or
    whatever it calls itself) were to offer to campaign vigorously against
    their re-election it might focus their minds remarkably. Obviously you
    need to sound them out and discover their attitudes first, but there
    must be enough voters in Cambridgeshire who are also cyclists to make a
    formidable lobby group, and if you can get them to put the protection
    of cyclists high on the police agenda it will be delivered.

    Don't whinge if you are not first prepared to try to make the system
    work for you.

    I'm entirely prepared to make the system work for me, but this is something
    that I've been doing 'one thing at a time', because (1) I've only got so
    much time and energy to spend on this, and (2) I genuinely believe that the
    best way to go about things like this is in stages, i.e. try one thing, see
    if it works, if not move on to something else.

    The Police Authority is up there as a potential way forward; I may have to
    go down that route.

  6. Arthur Clune said:

    I have 10 days in Japan: fly into Tokyo to stop with my friend. Then
    we have a few days (3-5) to go somewhere else before coming back to
    Tokyo for the wedding. We then fly out two days later.

    It's what to do with those days outside Tokyo that I'm still pondering...

    Well, Kyoto is the obvious choice unless you have some particular
    interests. There are plenty of things to see and do within easy reach of
    Tokyo too, including day trips to Kamakura, Yokohama, Tokyo Disneyland :-)

    If you'd like any more detailed info, feel free to email.

    James
    --
    If I have seen further than others, it is
    by treading on the toes of giants.
    http://www.ne.jp/asahi/julesandjames/home/

  7. Stevie D said:

    It
    would be perfectly possible to design a city with an integral network
    of cycle routes that (i) give quick, direct access to places, and (ii)
    are sufficiently wide and well-segregated from other users.

    The only question is why you would want to. Milton Keynes tried, and
    they are widely regarded as vile.

    It is simpler overall (to say nothing of cheaper) to equip people with
    the skills they need to use the roads confidently, and to ensure that
    motorists do not arrogate ownership of those roads.

    Guy
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  8. Arthur Clune said:

    It's what to do with those days outside Tokyo that I'm still pondering...

    I did very much enjoy climbing mount Koma ga-Take (not shure about the
    spelling): Very scenic, much less crouded than the coast and the
    big tourist centres, almost no western people. There is a nice
    little hostel near the summit which gives the opportunity to meet Japanese
    people who are not in the usual hurry. People climb the mountains to watch
    the sunrise from the top. Reading the signs on the hiking trail might be a
    bit of a challenge though.

    Guenther

  9. you know? said:
    Stevie D said:

    It
    would be perfectly possible to design a city with an integral network
    of cycle routes that (i) give quick, direct access to places, and (ii)
    are sufficiently wide and well-segregated from other users.

    The only question is why you would want to. Milton Keynes tried, and
    they are widely regarded as vile.

    It is simpler overall (to say nothing of cheaper) to equip people with
    the skills they need to use the roads confidently, and to ensure that
    motorists do not arrogate ownership of those roads.

    Guy

    They also have a pretty high incidence of robbery and other crimes as they
    are so nicely out of the way.
    Sniper8052

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  10. On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:36:12 GMT someone who may be Sniper8052
    <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    They also have a pretty high incidence of robbery and other crimes as they
    are so nicely out of the way.

    That is indeed one of the problems with bike paths in places like
    Milton Keynes.

    This is one of the factors that makes the decision by the "cycle
    friendly" City of Edinburgh Council to banish cyclists from the A90
    onto a narrow and remote "cycle path" incomprehensible.

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  11. David Hansen [email hidden] opined the following...

    Quoted message said:

    This is one of the factors that makes the decision by the "cycle
    friendly" City of Edinburgh Council to banish cyclists from the A90
    onto a narrow and remote "cycle path" incomprehensible.

    And it is a _very_ narrow cycle path. For the record it is possible to
    bypass it (If travelling to / from the bridge by going off over the
    first bridge (when leaving town) and rejoining it at Dalmeny, but this
    is workaround not a solution.

    Jon

  12. On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:05:46 +0100 someone who may be Jon Senior
    <jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    This is one of the factors that makes the decision by the "cycle
    friendly" City of Edinburgh Council to banish cyclists from the A90
    onto a narrow and remote "cycle path" incomprehensible.

    And it is a _very_ narrow cycle path.

    The council claim the ban is due to the "danger" posed to cyclists
    on this road. They "back this up" with a figure of one cyclist being
    killed in ten years on the road. I have asked them how many roads
    they have banned motorists from using because one motorist has been
    killed on it in the past ten years. Their failure to answer my
    question is revealing.

    There are several words for the City of Edinburgh Council. None of
    them are polite.

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  13. David Hansen said:

    On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:05:46 +0100 someone who may be Jon
    Senior <jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    This is one of the factors that makes the decision by the
    "cycle friendly" City of Edinburgh Council to banish
    cyclists from the A90 onto a narrow and remote "cycle path"
    incomprehensible.

    And it is a _very_ narrow cycle path.

    The council claim the ban is due to the "danger" posed to
    cyclists on this road. They "back this up" with a figure of
    one cyclist being killed in ten years on the road. I have
    asked them how many roads they have banned motorists from
    using because one motorist has been killed on it in the past
    ten years. Their failure to answer my question is revealing.

    There are several words for the City of Edinburgh Council.
    None of them are polite.

    I may be wrong here but I was wondering about rights of way with respect to
    this. I mention this because a friend once told me of when he worked at
    Pitlochry power station where they closed the access road one day a year to
    stop it becoming a right of way, something about if it is used for more than
    a year by the public then they couldn't restrict access.

    Can the council restrict a road if it has been used for more than a year?

    Shoot me down if I don't know what I'm talking about, probably the wine x-)
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  14. On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:39:51 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be
    "the.Mark" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    Can the council restrict a road if it has been used for more than a year?

    Yes. All it takes is Andrew Burns to propose a motion to that
    effect.

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  15. the.Mark said:


    Can the council restrict a road if it has been used for more than a year?

    Yes its called a TRO (Traffic Regulation Order). Its whats used to ban
    cars from mandatory cycle lanes and cars from city centre pedestrian
    areas for example but can be used to ban otherwise permitted vehicles
    from any right of way.

    Tony

  16. Sniper8052 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<opsfr058c02wix5t@hogwarts-83efbf>...

    ............. claim to be injured next time in which case

    Quoted message said:

    plod will have to attend. Once they attend decline medical aid. Said
    offending driver must remain at the scene or commit an offence of failing
    to remain at the scene of an accident.
    Sniper8052

    Not quite correct. The driver could comply with the law (after
    supplying his and owners name and address and reg number)by thereafter
    leaving the scene and reporting the accident to the police.
    Iain

  17. David Hansen said:

    On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:39:51 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be
    "the.Mark" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    Can the council restrict a road if it has been used for more
    than a year?

    Yes. All it takes is Andrew Burns to propose a motion to that
    effect.

    Who is Andrew burns?
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    1x1 wheel, 3x2 wheels & 1x3 wheels.

  18. On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 20:33:29 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be
    "the.Mark" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    Who is Andrew burns?

    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/servlet/QsProtected?IDC=CEC/Member_Services/List_of_Councillors/Cllrmap.idc&WardMap=28

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  19. David Hansen said:

    On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 20:33:29 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be
    "the.Mark" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    Who is Andrew burns?

    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/servlet/QsProtected?IDC=CEC/Member_Services/List_of_Councillors/Cllrmap.idc&WardMap=28

    Interesting, I cycle through his ward on my commute.
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