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  1. in message <[email hidden]>, Arthur Clune

    (') said:

    James Annan <[email hidden]> wrote:

    : The trains will be hell wherever you go, but that is all part of the
    : fun!

    Thanks to both you and Tony for the advice. I shall go off and consult
    maps etc. I'm actually quite looking forward to the trains in an odd
    sort of a way.....

    I thought the trains in Japan were superb, but then I was comparing them
    to Virgin. Fast, efficient, on time, reasonable comfort, and if you
    book a seat you _get_ a seat. The only similarity I could detect to
    Virgin trains is that both run on rails.

    --
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  2. "Sniper8052" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:opsfr058c02wix5t@hogwarts-83efbf...

    Quoted message said:

    It sounds like "opening a car door to danger" which is an offence under
    the road vehicles construction and use regulations 1986. Heaven knows what
    section though as I've only ever used it once. Summary offence.

    It's surely more than that- I had right of way, so he should have waited.
    He's ignored the road signs, he's driven dangerously, AND he's used his door
    intentionally as a weapon.

    Quoted message said:

    Was there any damage to your bike, did you get witnesses names. If you
    have no other information as above you may have to live with it.

    Unfortunately I've made said complaints, with witnesses, for worse
    incidents, on the same stretch of road, and Plod have done nothing. It's
    awfully frustrating. On this occasion there was no damage to my bike, or any
    injury.

    Quoted message said:

    If as
    you assert it happens often claim to be injured next time in which case
    plod will have to attend. Once they attend decline medical aid. Said
    offending driver must remain at the scene or commit an offence of failing
    to remain at the scene of an accident.
    Sniper8052

    That's crossing a line that I don't know about whether I'm comfortable with.
    Thus far I'm happy to that I am entirely in the right. But pretending to be
    injured? I'm not happy with that.

  3. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Cut off his goolies! It's the only language these people understand.

    Perhaps. Not necessarily going to endear me to the local plod, though 🙂

  4. On 13/10/04 10:00 am, in article [email hidden], "Arthur

    Clune said:

    James Annan <[email hidden]> wrote:

    : The trains will be hell wherever you go, but that is all part of the
    : fun!

    Thanks to both you and Tony for the advice. I shall go off and consult
    maps etc. I'm actually quite looking forward to the trains in an odd
    sort of a way.....

    Have you read Josie Dew's book on riding in Japan?

    ...d

  5. "Pyromancer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    If this is happening regularly, mount a camcorder on the bike and record
    that section every day. Report anything that happens to plod as usual.
    Edit all the incidents on tape onto a master. After a month, send
    copies of the edited tape, plus all the reports you've made to the
    police, to everyone from the Home Secretary, local Chief Constable,
    local papers, national papers, TV news, prime minister's office, cycle
    groups, and the EU transport bod, asking what they're going to do about
    this lawlessness.

    Did the next best thing; worked with a local councillor who runs a shop
    right on this section of road. She compiled a dossier of events and
    rpesented it to traffic planners (county council), the police, and a local
    bus company who are a particularly bad offender. She also enlisted the help
    of the city mayor.

    Nothing happened.

    She's since lost her council seat, which is a shame; not my particular
    flavour of politician, but I'm all for a local councillor who's willing to
    be proactive on a cycle safety issue.

  6. Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote:

    : I thought the trains in Japan were superb

    By all accounts. I think it's the packing them in on the metro etc
    that I'll find "interesting"

    Arthur

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  7. Arthur Clune said:

    Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote:

    : I thought the trains in Japan were superb

    By all accounts. I think it's the packing them in on the metro etc
    that I'll find "interesting"

    Around the New Year holiday, _all_ of the trains are _very_ busy. A
    couple of years ago we stood up for 8 hours non-stop, with a tandem, and
    a slipped disk. We only fitted on at all through heading for the
    reserved carriages and standing in the doorway. Book sufficiently far
    ahead and a seat is possible...of course Tokyo to Kyoto is only a couple
    of hours at most so not really such a nightmare.

    James
    --
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  8. On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:45:04 +0100 someone who may be "Colin
    Davidson" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    But pretending to be injured? I'm not happy with that.

    There is no need to. You are not an expert on injuries, that is what
    an ambulance is for. Get them to decide. Many people think they are
    fine and collapse later. The ambulance people are not perfect, but
    are better at it than you are.

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  9. "David Hansen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    There is no need to. You are not an expert on injuries, that is what
    an ambulance is for. Get them to decide. Many people think they are
    fine and collapse later. The ambulance people are not perfect, but
    are better at it than you are.

    Interesting. So I should insist that I may be injured and the motorist wait
    till the ambulance comes?

    That hadn't occurred to me. If, in future, there's any doubt as to whether I
    may be even a little hurt, I'll do that. Of course I'd rather avoid getting
    hit in the first place; I've had a lot of near misses caused by 'the other
    guy' on that bit of road, only had a couple of minor collisions.

  10. On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:14:29 +0100 someone who may be "Colin
    Davidson" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    So I should insist that I may be injured and the motorist wait
    till the ambulance comes?

    What you do is up to you. However, you may be hurt and that is
    something the ambulance people are better at deciding than you are,
    especially as you are likely to be slightly confused after a crash.

    Quoted message said:

    That hadn't occurred to me. If, in future, there's any doubt as to whether I
    may be even a little hurt, I'll do that.

    It depends what you mean by a little hurt.

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  11. in message <[email hidden]>, Pyromancer

    (') said:

    Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as Colin
    Davidson <[email hidden]> gently breathed:

    Quoted message said:

    "Michael MacClancy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    That sounds to me like attempted assault and dangerous driving.

    Quoted message said:

    It was indeed. Trouble is, there's no hope whatsoever of getting the
    local plod to do anything about this. Tried that and it doesn't work.

    If this is happening regularly, mount a camcorder on the bike and
    record
    that section every day. Report anything that happens to plod as
    usual.
    Edit all the incidents on tape onto a master. After a month, send
    copies of the edited tape, plus all the reports you've made to the
    police, to everyone from the Home Secretary, local Chief Constable,
    local papers, national papers, TV news, prime minister's office, cycle
    groups, and the EU transport bod, asking what they're going to do
    about this lawlessness.

    That's not a bad idea. Or simply wait at the side of the road with a
    video camera for a morning and film all such incidents.

    --
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  12. "David Hansen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    What you do is up to you. However, you may be hurt and that is
    something the ambulance people are better at deciding than you are,
    especially as you are likely to be slightly confused after a crash.

    On the one occasion I've actually been properly hurt on the road, I was,
    like everyone else who is hurt on the road but can actually still stand, of
    the opinion that there was nothing wrong with me; you are of course right
    about the fact that you're not always in the best position to judge the
    extent of your own injuries!

    None of the incidents that have happened on the street in question were of
    the sort that I would realistically be badly hurt by.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    That hadn't occurred to me. If, in future, there's any doubt as to


    whether I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    may be even a little hurt, I'll do that.

    It depends what you mean by a little hurt.

    That's one of those fairly indefinable things, isn't it? How bad does
    someone have to be hurt before the other guy mustn't leave the scene? I
    suspect that, quite rightly, this is fairly ambiguous in law.

  13. On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:46:18 +0100, "Colin Davidson"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Cut off his goolies! It's the only language these people understand.


    Perhaps. Not necessarily going to endear me to the local plod, though 🙂

    But they are too busy arresting people for possession of curly black
    hair and thick lips...

    Guy
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  14. Colin Davidson said:

    "GuyStevens" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I agree, it's unlikely any kind of conviction will result but if you
    have the van registration report it. The police will have to
    investigate to a degree and at least the driver will be made aware of
    your complaint and will think twice about his behaviour in future. I
    feel your frustration but don't let it slide.

    That's assuming I can even get the girl at the desk in the police station to
    take the report ("we can take the details down, but it's unlikely that any
    of our officers will take the time to do anything... there's no point really
    reporting this..."😉. It simply doesn't seem to be the case that the driver
    will be made aware.

    Doesn't reflect my experience of Thames Valley Police. I recently reported
    a car break-in and they were very keen to take down all the details for
    their records even though it's not anything they could have investigated.

    Also, someone I knew years ago made the mistake of overtaking on a mini
    roundabout (by driving over the bump in the centre). The driver he
    overtook reported him to the police and the next day they were waiting for
    him and booked him.
    --
    Michael MacClancy

    www.macclancy.demon.co.uk
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  15. Michael MacClancy said:

    On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:28:39 +0100, Colin Davidson wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    That's assuming I can even get the girl at the desk in the police
    station to
    take the report ("we can take the details down, but it's unlikely that
    any
    of our officers will take the time to do anything... there's no point
    really
    reporting this..."😉. It simply doesn't seem to be the case that the
    driver
    will be made aware.

    Doesn't reflect my experience of Thames Valley Police.


    [...]

    Ditto. TVP took my complaint against a bus driver, who assaulted me with
    his bus, very seriously. They offered me the option of them looking into
    prosecution, though they advised that it might not be successful, or of
    them speaking to him and giving him a warning. I took the latter option
    and they did speak to him.

    Colin

  16. "Colin Blackburn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Ditto. TVP took my complaint against a bus driver, who assaulted me with
    his bus, very seriously. They offered me the option of them looking into
    prosecution, though they advised that it might not be successful, or of
    them speaking to him and giving him a warning. I took the latter option
    and they did speak to him.

    Of the various things that I've reported on this road, including a taxi
    driver getting out to threaten me and a bus driver actually clipping me, the
    only incident that the Police have taken action over was when a passenger
    actually got out of a van to assault me, after the van had hit my bike and
    slightly bent my front wheel. All that they took action on, desite the fact
    that in my opinion the use of the van as a weapon of assault was way more
    serious than getting out and pushing me sideways off the road, was the
    latter assault. Said action included a warning, nothing more, despite the
    fact that the van driver had ignored the sign saying give way, had hit me
    intentionally with his van (he'd seen me, he'd stopped, he started again),
    had damaged my bike, had refused to give details for insurance, and had
    driven off after an accident. All of this with witnesses. I would have
    assumed that to do that in your work van wearing clothes that identify where
    you work, in front of witnesses, was really stupid; clearly that isn't the
    case because here at least you can get away with all of that.

    Perhaps you guys have more cycle-sympathetic police forces.

  17. in message <[email hidden]>, Colin Davidson

    (') said:

    Perhaps you guys have more cycle-sympathetic police forces.

    The Chief Constable is answerable to the Cambridgshire Police Authority;
    your representatives on that authority are:

    Judy Broadway Liberal Democrat
    Jane Coston Liberal Democrat
    Janet Jones Labour
    John Reynolds Conservative
    Jillian Tuck Conservative
    Keith Walters Conservative
    Ramon Wilkinson Conservative

    Their job is to set the policing agenda, and to ensure the Chief
    Constable delivers it. If the Cambridge cycling action group (or
    whatever it calls itself) were to offer to campaign vigorously against
    their re-election it might focus their minds remarkably. Obviously you
    need to sound them out and discover their attitudes first, but there
    must be enough voters in Cambridgeshire who are also cyclists to make a
    formidable lobby group, and if you can get them to put the protection
    of cyclists high on the police agenda it will be delivered.

    Don't whinge if you are not first prepared to try to make the system
    work for you.

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  18. Quoted message said:

    Don't whinge if you are not first prepared to try to make the system
    work for you.

    I've had experience of plod down in Cambridgeshire many years ago. They were
    useless then and it seems not much has changed. And yes, we did try to get it
    changed by complaining to the relevant people. A guy went for me with a hammer
    and they said they couldn't do anything as I'd managed to avoid being hit....

    Thankfully I am no longer living in that county.

    Cheers, helen s

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  19. Arthur Clune said:

    James Annan <[email hidden]> wrote:

    : The trains will be hell wherever you go, but that is all part of the
    : fun!

    Thanks to both you and Tony for the advice. I shall go off and consult
    maps etc. I'm actually quite looking forward to the trains in an odd
    sort of a way.....

    Look into the Japan Rail Pass. You have to organise it in the UK but if
    you are planning to travel a lot (and trains are how everybody travels)
    it can work out a bargain. It only works on the JR network so check you
    don't want one of other companies routes for some of your journeys.

    If you are looking for accomodation ITCJ is a good place to organise
    more traditional accomodation - http://www.itcj.or.jp/search/city.html
    as is http://japaneseguesthouses.com/index.htm

    Tony

  20. Velvet said:

    I'm still trying to get across the point that cycle paths can be a lot
    more dangerous, or don't get you where you want to go if you're cycling
    to/from a destination, even if they are nice for leisure cycling - I'm
    past the stage of pootling along a cycle path slowly (yay!).

    Those points are not absolutely intrinsic to cycle paths, though. It
    would be perfectly possible to design a city with an integral network
    of cycle routes that (i) give quick, direct access to places, and (ii)
    are sufficiently wide and well-segregated from other users.

    I don't know to what extend Canada achieves this - but I've yet to see
    anywhere in Britain that comes close.

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