Gout, Dammit!

"Andy" <q> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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Dammit!

Saw the podiatrist this morning. Thought I re-split the bone behind my big
toe. Hurt like hell for days, I couldn't stand it any longer.

Podiatrist: Ever have gout?

Andy: No.

Podiatrist: You do now!

Dammit!

I'll bet it was all the buffalo.

Frantically throwing diet in reverse.

Dammit!

Am on a prednisolone 6-day pak. See family doc on Wed.

Andy
Browsing the Gout threads now.

Save yourself some time. Look at the last 100 threads you've started here.
It seems most of them are about fatty foods that normal people are smart
enough to keep to a minimum in their meal plans.

Andy' q said:

Dammit!

Saw the podiatrist this morning. Thought I re-split the bone behind my big
toe. Hurt like hell for days, I couldn't stand it any longer.

Podiatrist: Ever have gout?

Andy: No.

Podiatrist: You do now!

Dammit!

I'll bet it was all the buffalo.

Frantically throwing diet in reverse.

Dammit!

Am on a prednisolone 6-day pak. See family doc on Wed.

Andy
Browsing the Gout threads now.

Good luck! I was diagnosed with it at the beginning of March, but I've had two
other attacks in the past. The first was 7 years ago, the second was last
summer. But this attack was much worse.

It does turn your whole food world upside down. I still haven't fully
"recovered" my food world. So many of the "bad" foods are among my very
favorites.

I got Indocin to treat mine, but haven't had to use it in two months. I've got a
supply just in case I make some mistakes.

--
wff_ng_7 (at) verizon (dot) net

Andy said:

Dammit!

Saw the podiatrist this morning. Thought I re-split the bone behind
my big toe. Hurt like hell for days, I couldn't stand it any longer.

Podiatrist: Ever have gout?

Andy: No.

Podiatrist: You do now!

Dammit!

I'll bet it was all the buffalo.

Frantically throwing diet in reverse.

Dammit!

Am on a prednisolone 6-day pak. See family doc on Wed.

Andy
Browsing the Gout threads now.

My sympathies.

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wff_ng_7 said:

Andy' q said:

Dammit!

Saw the podiatrist this morning. Thought I re-split the bone behind my

big

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

toe. Hurt like hell for days, I couldn't stand it any longer.

Podiatrist: Ever have gout?

Andy: No.

Podiatrist: You do now!

Dammit!

I'll bet it was all the buffalo.

Frantically throwing diet in reverse.

Dammit!

Am on a prednisolone 6-day pak. See family doc on Wed.

Andy
Browsing the Gout threads now.

Good luck! I was diagnosed with it at the beginning of March, but I've had

two

Quoted message said:

other attacks in the past. The first was 7 years ago, the second was last
summer. But this attack was much worse.

It does turn your whole food world upside down. I still haven't fully
"recovered" my food world. So many of the "bad" foods are among my very
favorites.

And some of those "bad" foods are *good* foods, in my case I can't even
*look* at healthful and tasty vittles like asparagus, spinach, and
sardines...all things I adore :-(

Different people are affected by different things, e.g. one guy I know can't
touch broccoli but I can eat mounds of it with no ill effects...at one point
beans caused me attacks but that doesn't seem to be the case any more, I eat
beans and pulses all the time.

Haven't had an attack in a year, knock on wood. And like you I've got a
supply of Indocin just in case...

--
Best
Greg

Andy q said:

Podiatrist: Ever have gout?

Andy: No.

Podiatrist: You do now!

Welcome to the club.

Quoted message said:

Frantically throwing diet in reverse.

Start googling purines. That's the stuff in most foods, to different
degrees, that is converted to uric acid in your blood which is the
cause of gout.

Quoted message said:

Am on a prednisolone 6-day pak. See family doc on Wed.

Good idea. Prednisone is a temporary relief drug commonly prescribed
to give quick ("quick" in gout time is days) relief from an actual
gout attack, which it sounds like you are suffering. Another even
more vicious drug is colchicine which probably works quicker (fewer
days). But, with the relative quickness of either of these drugs
comes the relative side effects. Everything from an itch that makes
you want to rip out your anus with a clawhammer (sorry for the
graphic) to a headache which earned me an ambulance ride and an eight
hour ER visit complete with spinal tap. Bottom line, you don't want
to be on either of these for very long.

I'm currently on daily dose of alluprinol and have been gout free for
over ten years, eating almost all foods with impunity. Is it a good
thing? I'm not sure. All the docs and pharmacists insist prolonged
use of allupurinol poses no long term threat and I seem to have no
noticeable side effects. But.... I recall the original doc only
wanted to keep me on it for as long as necessary and then quit.
Unfortunately, I lost him as a doc and he was the first doctor who
really got a handle on my affliction. The bozos at Kaiser liked to
kill me trying to figure out what to do.

Be aware of one thing. The build up and reduction of uric acid in
your blood takes place over a period of weeks and months, not hours
and days. But, be patient. There is life after gout. 😉

nb

JoeSpareBedroom said:

Save yourself some time. Look at the last 100 threads you've started here.
It seems most of them are about fatty foods that normal people are smart
enough to keep to a minimum in their meal plans.

Bogus issue. There a more factors at work, here. Gout is primarily
genetic.

nb

"notbob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

JoeSpareBedroom said:

Save yourself some time. Look at the last 100 threads you've started
here.
It seems most of them are about fatty foods that normal people are smart
enough to keep to a minimum in their meal plans.

Bogus issue. There a more factors at work, here. Gout is primarily
genetic.

nb

Yeah, but it's so much fun to razz Andy about his famous cream cheese, lard
& bearing grease diet.

Gregory Morrow said:

And some of those "bad" foods are *good* foods, in my case I can't even
*look* at healthful and tasty vittles like asparagus, spinach, and
sardines...all things I adore :-(

First worst is anchovies. Gout sufferer's death! Then, any other
itty-bitty fish like sardines, smelt, etc. Next is organ meats
....liver, kidneys, etc. Some veggies. Asparagus is about the worst.
Beans are supposed to be bad. Beer, red wines, and dark spirits are
bad. The problem is, almost all foods have some degree of purines. I
remember after my first really bad attack, which took almost a year to
recover from, I looked up "bad gout food" lists for weeks. All were
different. I finally came to the conclusion the only safe edibles
were water and dirt. Forget that!

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Different people are affected by different things

Nope. Purines is purines. It's the frequency. I can now eat even
the dreaded anchovy, which I dearly love, but only a couple times a
year and in small amounts like in a Caesar salad. As I said in
another response, I now take allupurinol regularly. I can eat or
drink anything and do, regularly. I don't know how this is going to
play out in the end and if taking this drug will adversely effect my
lifespan, but I do know it allows me to enjoy my life right here and
now.

nb

JoeSpareBedroom said:

& bearing grease diet.

LOL!...

notbob said...

Quoted message said:

Be aware of one thing. The build up and reduction of uric acid in
your blood takes place over a period of weeks and months, not hours
and days. But, be patient. There is life after gout. 😉

nb

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notbob,

Thank's for the warm welcome!

I've found several good food reference charts so far. Next is to combine
them into recipes.

Compared to liver, kidney, sweetbreads, etc., free-range buffalo out-
protein'd them all. (from the USDA SR19 database).

I know how to diet successfully and have good diet software to help.

I don't have a lot of weight to lose, just a lot of foods to swap out.

Dammit.

Andy

notbob said...

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I looked up "bad gout food" lists for weeks. All were
different. I finally came to the conclusion the only safe edibles
were water and dirt. Forget that!

The apparently consistent suggestion of only 5-6oz. of animal protein a day
will be a big adjustment!

Andy

In article said:

notbob said...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I looked up "bad gout food" lists for weeks. All were
different. I finally came to the conclusion the only safe edibles
were water and dirt. Forget that!

Quoted message said:

The apparently consistent suggestion of only 5-6oz. of animal protein a day
will be a big adjustment!

You don't need to avoid protein, just nucleic acids.

Steve

Steve Pope said:

In article said:

notbob said...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I looked up "bad gout food" lists for weeks. All were
different. I finally came to the conclusion the only safe edibles
were water and dirt. Forget that!

Quoted message said:

The apparently consistent suggestion of only 5-6oz. of animal protein a

day

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

will be a big adjustment!

You don't need to avoid protein, just nucleic acids.

One gout diet I followed allowed only small portions of skinless, boneless
chicken breat and bacon...the latter I thought kinda odd.

For a whiles I quaffed black cherry juice on a daily basis to stave off
gout. This was not only fairly expensive (a bottle of the concentrate runs
about 25 - 30 bux) but the effect on my digestive system was, shall we say,
"explosive"...in the end I don't know whether it really helped or not.

--
Best
Greg

Gregory Morrow said:

Steve Pope wrote:

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You don't need to avoid protein, just nucleic acids.

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One gout diet I followed allowed only small portions of
skinless, boneless chicken breat and bacon...the latter I
thought kinda odd.

I looked into this when I was told I had had a gout attack.
All medical sources agreed the necessary diet involved avoiding
purines -- not protein, fats, or anything else. Purines
are notably found in nucleic acids (adenine and guanine, which
are in all DNA and RNA), as well as theobromine and caffeine.

All cell-based life has nucleic acids. However, I had a devil of a
time finding references as to how much purine and/or nucleic acids
were in various foods. There were suggestions to avoid organ meats,
nuts, and various other stuff but no hard data to back this up.

Furthermore it seems the human body must already be chock full
of nucleic acids, so I wonder whether dietary sources would make
any difference in the level of purine in the bloodstream. Again,
I found no research on this.

My ultimate conclusion was gout-sufferers are in an information
vacuum, and most/all dietary advice is anecdotal or simply made up.

Steve

Andy said:

Podiatrist: Ever have gout?
Andy: No.
Podiatrist: You do now!

Quoted message said:

I'll bet it was all the buffalo.

<snork> Bison.

-sw

Steve Pope said...

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My ultimate conclusion was gout-sufferers are in an information
vacuum, and most/all dietary advice is anecdotal or simply made up.

Podiatrist wrote out this plan for me:

Lower protein

Lower alcohol

Lower caffeine

Raise water

Andy

"Andy" <q> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Steve Pope said...

Quoted message said:

My ultimate conclusion was gout-sufferers are in an information
vacuum, and most/all dietary advice is anecdotal or simply made up.

Podiatrist wrote out this plan for me:

Lower protein

Lower alcohol

Lower caffeine

Raise water

Andy

I bet you didn't tell him about the other stuff....

Gregory Morrow said:

"explosive"...in the end I don't know whether it really helped or not.

Old wives, New Age, and health food myth. Completely bogus. I drank
tanker truck loads. On the positive side, tastes great! Whole Foods
sells a great brand, K&N or K&L or something like that. Good price,
too. 😉

nb

Andy <q> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Steve Pope said...

Quoted message said:

My ultimate conclusion was gout-sufferers are in an information
vacuum, and most/all dietary advice is anecdotal or simply made up.

Podiatrist wrote out this plan for me:

Lower protein

Lower alcohol

Lower caffeine

Raise water

Andy

If you raise the water intake enough, you don't have to reduce the others
too much. When I forget for a few weeks and have an attack, I can throw off
the symptoms completely in 2-3 days by drinking a large glass of water
every hour I'm awake. If I keep doing this, I don't get attacks at all.

YMMV.
Mark.

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the same lethal errors century after century seems to me nothing short
of deliberate.--V.