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  1. "Andy" <q> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Dimitri said...

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Dimitri,

    It sure was a bummer! I'm glad I got to see the podiatrist on such short
    notice. A private practice benefit!

    I read the past threads and saw many of your contributions about it and
    have seen your pasted document in a few places.

    I plan to ask doc about allopurinol.

    Thanks,

    Andy
    NOW what's a mother to do?

    Unfortunately they took Vioxx off the market, 2 Vioxx 50's as a matter of fact
    would cure the gout virtually overnight. When you chat with the doctor ask if
    he thinks any of the anti-inflammatory will help.

    Dimitri

  2. Dimitri said:

    Unfortunately they took Vioxx off the market, 2 Vioxx 50's as a matter of fact
    would cure the gout virtually overnight.

    ....or possibly cure you of living! 😉

    nb

  3. Andy, please email me offline.

    --AJ

    "Andy" <q> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Dimitri said...

    Quoted message said:

    Big Bummer!

    I am prone to gout because of the BP meds I take. As a matter or course
    I take Allopurinal (anti gout med)


    <snipped good info for brevity>

    Quoted message said:


    Good luck

    Dimitri

    Dimitri,

    It sure was a bummer! I'm glad I got to see the podiatrist on such short
    notice. A private practice benefit!

    I read the past threads and saw many of your contributions about it and
    have seen your pasted document in a few places.

    I plan to ask doc about allopurinol.

    Thanks,

    Andy
    NOW what's a mother to do?

  4. notbob said:
    Gregory Morrow said:

    "explosive"...in the end I don't know whether it really helped or not.

    Old wives, New Age, and health food myth. Completely bogus. I drank
    tanker truck loads.

    Just as I thought...

    On the positive side, tastes great! Whole Foods

    Quoted message said:

    sells a great brand, K&N or K&L or something like that. Good price,
    too. 😉

    Think I'll put some in the smoothie I'm about to make... ;-)

    --
    Best
    Greg

  5. Andy said:


    Browsing the Gout threads now.

    Drink lots of water, stay off the affected joint, and
    avoid the foods that cause gout. (Unless you have
    some sort of kidney problem, in which case drinking
    water may be the worst thing you can do. Drinking
    water is helpful only if you are having no problem
    generating and passing urine.)

    Gout is caused by accumulation of insoluble uric acid
    crystals in the joints, which in turn is caused by
    overloading your kidneys with organic nitrogen.
    Normally, the kidneys send nitrogenous waste out
    of the body as urea in the urine. But when they
    get overloaded due to impaired kidney function or
    eating too much nitrogen-containing food, the body
    has to put that nitrogen somewhere, and it ends up
    as uric acid crystals usually in the toes or feet.
    (Uric acid is more familiar as the white part of
    bird droppings.)

    Like frostbite, working the affected tissue causes
    the crystals to grind against the tissues, damaging
    them. At the FIRST sign of gout, stay off the
    affected joints. Otherwise, you will later feel
    much more pain.

    The foods which contribute to gout are rich in
    protein or nucleic acids (or both). At the FIRST
    sign of gout, immediately stop eating these foods.
    Protein-rich foods are meat, eggs, and cheese.
    Egg yolks and ripened cheeses (any aged cheese).
    pack a particularly strong gout-producing punch.

    Continue to avoid these foods until the gout is
    COMPLETELY gone. Some of my worst flare-ups have
    occurred by going back to eating meat too soon
    after an attack.

    By avoiding the gout-producing foods and drinking
    lots of water, I've been free of gout for the last
    7 years -- longer than any earlier period of my adult
    life. However, gout can be a sign of a much more
    serious problem, kidney disease. That's why you
    should be checked out by a doctor if you have gout.
    In my case, I know that every attack was precipitated
    by eating too much meat or cheese. Often, I remember
    asking myself whether eating this would cause gout,
    as I ate the food I suspected might precipitate
    another attack.

    There is a drug used for gout -- colchicine. The
    corm (tuber-like enlarged underground stem) of the
    crocus is rich in colchicine, but dosage control
    is important. You'd be nuts to try to self-medicate
    for gout with saffron corms. I would be reluctant
    to use pharmaceutical colchicine, because it is
    believed to work by inhibiting a fundamentally important
    cellular function (microtubule assembly), which seems
    like an awfully critical system to mess with if you
    can avoid it. (Make no mistake -- the pain can be
    intense -- I wouldn't fault anyone for grasping at
    any possibility for its relief.)

    Aspirin helps a lot. I suspect Advil would help
    even more.

    Here's a good page about colchicine:

    http://www.phc.vcu.edu/Feature/oldfeature/colchicine/colchicine.html

    And here's a letter about the critical importance of dose:

    http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/328/7434/288-c

  6. "Mark Thorson" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Andy said:


    Browsing the Gout threads now.

    Quoted message said:

    By avoiding the gout-producing foods and drinking
    lots of water, I've been free of gout for the last
    7 years -- longer than any earlier period of my adult
    life.

    My gawd, does every guy in this newsgroup have gout?
    I had no idea this disease was so common. I'm sorry to
    hear this. I'm glad to hear there are things you can take or
    foods you can avoid, but in reading this thread, it's seems all
    pretty hit or miss.

    nancy

  7. Nancy Young said:

    My gawd, does every guy in this newsgroup have gout?
    I had no idea this disease was so common. I'm sorry to
    hear this. I'm glad to hear there are things you can take or
    foods you can avoid, but in reading this thread, it's seems all
    pretty hit or miss.

    It's because we all eat well here! ;-)

    Here's a little bit of history of the disease from the wikipedia entry on gout:
    ----
    Gout was traditionally viewed as a disease of the decadent and indolent, because
    the foods which contribute to its development were only available in quantity to
    the wealthy. The stereotypical victim was a lazy, obese middle-aged man who
    habitually overindulged in rich foods and alcohol, with port wine consumption
    often cited as a specific cause. This stereotype is especially evident when gout
    is referred to as "The Disease of Kings".

    Perhaps due to the traditional relationship between wealth and literacy, gout is
    one of the most commonly-reported maladies in history.
    ----

    I'd also bet that most if not all of the sufferers here are also over 45 years
    old.

    --
    wff_ng_7 (at) verizon (dot) net

  8. "wff_ng_7" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Nancy Young said:

    My gawd, does every guy in this newsgroup have gout?
    I had no idea this disease was so common. I'm sorry to
    hear this. I'm glad to hear there are things you can take or
    foods you can avoid, but in reading this thread, it's seems all
    pretty hit or miss.

    It's because we all eat well here! ;-)

    Here's a little bit of history of the disease from the wikipedia entry on
    gout:
    ----
    Gout was traditionally viewed as a disease of the decadent and indolent,
    because the foods which contribute to its development were only available
    in quantity to the wealthy. The stereotypical victim was a lazy, obese
    middle-aged man who habitually overindulged in rich foods and alcohol,
    with port wine consumption often cited as a specific cause. This
    stereotype is especially evident when gout is referred to as "The Disease
    of Kings".

    Perhaps due to the traditional relationship between wealth and literacy,
    gout is one of the most commonly-reported maladies in history.
    ----

    I'd also bet that most if not all of the sufferers here are also over 45
    years old.

    This is like an epidemic on rfc. When I was a kid, I remember asking what
    was
    wrong with some man who had a softball sized lump on his neck. Gout, I was
    told. I decided I wouldn't get that. Heh.

    Who knew rfc was full of rich lazy men.

    nancy

  9. Andy q said:

    Dammit!

    Saw the podiatrist this morning. Thought I re-split the bone behind my big
    toe. Hurt like hell for days, I couldn't stand it any longer.

    Podiatrist: Ever have gout?

    Andy: No.

    Podiatrist: You do now!

    Dammit!

    I'll bet it was all the buffalo.

    Frantically throwing diet in reverse.

    Dammit!

    Am on a prednisolone 6-day pak. See family doc on Wed.

    Andy
    Browsing the Gout threads now.

    Now you'll listen more closely when I tell you about hubby's gout
    attacks.,,,

    patting Andy's shoulder

    --
    See return address to reply by email

  10. wff_ng_7 said:

    I'd also bet that most if not all of the sufferers here are also over 45 years
    old.

    .....and by the standards of ancient times, we all now eat like kings.
    You have to remember, back then, those that weren't royalty were
    probably living a couple meals away from malnutrition. Whereis the
    average Food TV viewer today probably eats food once reserved only for
    the very wealthy and/or the aristocracy. Shellfish, liverwurst, eggs,
    cheese, asparagus, meat broths, etc are hardly exotic fare for most
    regulars here. Yet those are typical gout villians. I'll take the
    risk, thank you.

    nb

  11. "Andy" <q> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Dammit!

    Saw the podiatrist this morning. Thought I re-split the bone behind my big
    toe. Hurt like hell for days, I couldn't stand it any longer.

    Podiatrist: Ever have gout?

    Andy: No.

    Podiatrist: You do now!

    Dammit!

    I'll bet it was all the buffalo.

    Frantically throwing diet in reverse.

    Dammit!

    Am on a prednisolone 6-day pak. See family doc on Wed.

    Andy
    Browsing the Gout threads now.

    Nope, most likely not the buffalo unless you are into kidneys and liver.
    Had gout 2 times, and in each case it was tomatoes. Gout is caused by food
    high in purines. That includes shellfish, offal meats, tomatoes, smoked
    meats.

    Drink lots of pure cherry juice. If you have a TJs nearby, get a couple
    bottles. Drink about a quart a day. It will really help flush the uric
    acid crystals from your joints.

    Paul

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Nancy Young said:

    This is like an epidemic on rfc. When I was a kid, I remember asking what
    was
    wrong with some man who had a softball sized lump on his neck. Gout, I was
    told. I decided I wouldn't get that. Heh.

    Nah, that was goiter. A shortage of iodine in the body. Hence iodized
    salt.

    Quoted message said:

    Who knew rfc was full of rich lazy men.

    I'm not rich but I am lazy, and I'm afflicted with gout occasionally.
    I've read this thread with interest.

    leo

    --
    <http://web0.greatbasin.net/~leo/>

  13. Leonard Blaisdell said:

    Nah, that was goiter. A shortage of iodine in the body. Hence iodized
    salt.

    Yep. But, with all today's processed foods, canned, frozen, eat out,
    etc, you'd hafta dine daily on Dune to not get enough salt enhanced
    iodine.

    nb

  14. sf said...

    Quoted message said:
    Andy q said:

    Dammit!

    Now you'll listen more closely when I tell you about hubby's gout
    attacks.,,,

    patting Andy's shoulder

    On the way home from the podiatrists office I thought "how am I going to
    break this to sf?!!" :|

    Dammit!

    Andy

  15. "Leonard Blaisdell" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Nancy Young said:

    This is like an epidemic on rfc. When I was a kid, I remember asking
    what
    was
    wrong with some man who had a softball sized lump on his neck. Gout, I
    was
    told. I decided I wouldn't get that. Heh.

    Nah, that was goiter. A shortage of iodine in the body. Hence iodized
    salt.

    That's probably what they said. I just remembered it as gout
    and something to avoid.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Who knew rfc was full of rich lazy men.

    I'm not rich but I am lazy, and I'm afflicted with gout occasionally.
    I've read this thread with interest.

    So have I. I'm not rich but I am lazy, I think I will avoid organ
    meats from here on out. Heh.

    nancy

  16. wff_ng_7 said...

    Quoted message said:

    I'd also bet that most if not all of the sufferers here are also over 45
    years old.

    Like, turn 50 and BLAMO... gout?

    Sure seems like it.

    My first mid-life crisis.

    Dammit!

    Andy

  17. Andy <q> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    wff_ng_7 said...

    Quoted message said:

    I'd also bet that most if not all of the sufferers here are also over


    45

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    years old.

    Like, turn 50 and BLAMO... gout?

    Sure seems like it.

    My first mid-life crisis.

    Dammit!

    Andy

    It take it you'd prefer the motorcycle or the red sports car?

    --

    The house of the burning beet-Alan

    It'll be a sunny day in August, when the Moon will shine that night-
    Elbonian Folklore

  18. Beans...NO !
    turkey, mushrooms, sausage.... NO !
    and several other foods on the "NO" list.

    If you're like many Gouters, you can eat one of those
    foods in a week...
    <rj>

  19. hahabogus said...

    Quoted message said:

    Andy <q> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    wff_ng_7 said...

    Quoted message said:

    I'd also bet that most if not all of the sufferers here are also over


    45

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    years old.

    Like, turn 50 and BLAMO... gout?

    Sure seems like it.

    My first mid-life crisis.

    Dammit!

    Andy

    It take it you'd prefer the motorcycle or the red sports car?

    1994 "Pull Me Over" red Toyota Supra Turbo.
    1998 VW/GTIvr6 and still go-karting!
    2002 Honda Nighthawk 750, still purring!

    Speeding Tickets: 0

    Andy

  20. hahabogus so bravely stated:

    Quoted message said:

    Andy <q> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    wff_ng_7 said...

    Quoted message said:

    I'd also bet that most if not all of the sufferers here are also over


    45

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    years old.


    Not replying to anyone in particular, but also every gouter that I know,
    doesn't *like* to drink plain old water - something that doesn't make
    their kidneys work, but actually helps flush things out. And I don't
    care what the doctor says, he's working for the pharmaceutical industry.

    All things in moderation, even moderation.

    Meanwhile, your gout meds are raising hell with your liver.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Like, turn 50 and BLAMO... gout?

    Sure seems like it.

    My first mid-life crisis.

    Dammit!

    Andy

    It take it you'd prefer the motorcycle or the red sports car?

    --
    You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him/her drink it straight.

    -

    Quoted message said:

    <<XX>:> Buddy

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