EXP 17?

Phil Cook said:

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All quiet on the Expedition front? Any thoughts?

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Weekend of Fri 22 to Sun 24 July St. Mary's Loch area.
Campsite: Tibbie Shiels Inn (tbc)

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OK then, so far we have:

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Roger
Jhimmy
Martin (the other departed one)
Myself

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Anybody else? I note that all the above live in England, any chance of
some of our Scottish posters putting in an appearance?

I was recently just passing the time of day on a sunny afternoon in a
motorcycle dealers, as you do, when I spotted an attractive bargain,
an ancient cheap motorcycle suitable for an ancient cheap bloke which
might actually even be in running order. Visions of roaring round the
Highlands with camping gear strapped to the back! No, seriously love,
think how much quicker I'll get back from Tesco's if I don't have to
wait for the bus :-)

Am testing it out gingerly in local runs of gradually increased scope,
while progressively checking it over. It's now got as far as a five
mile run to a crematorium. Well, once you get to certain age,
funerals are where you meet your friends :-(

So far so good, appears to be in surprisingly good knick for something
older than the shop assistants who sold it to me. But the luggage
carrying subframe is very seriously cracked and needs replacing, and
it may take a while to locate a suitably old and cheap replacement.

I can see some of you thinking I'm one of those born again bikers the
police are worried about. Nope, those are middle aged lawyers and
dentists with two cars who buy large expensive motorcycles and colour
co-ordinated leathers in case anyone thought they weren't still hard
behind the beer gut. I'm too old and too carless to qualify. It's not
that I have anything against cars. In fact some of my best friends
have cars.

EXP 17? Hope so, but can't promise.
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Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

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My Marilyn estimates are as follows, and they are rough! Correct me if I'm
wrong, but I am no expert in that area. All should be within easy reach of
the campsite.

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Corbetts: White Coombe, Hart Fell, Broad Law

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Marilyns:

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From Campsite (Long circular walk!): The Wiss, Ward Law, Law kneis, Cacra
Hill, Turners Cleuch Law.

I have now had a quick look at the map. That is a seriously long walk
and well outside my capability. Even The Weis, Turner Cleuch Law and
Ward Law would give about 12.5 miles and 3800 feet of ascent (skirting
the forestry), most of it off paths if the comic is to believed. Even
that could be a hard day.

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From Etrrick Water: Capel fell, Ettrick Pen, Croft Head, Scaw'd Fell

From the end of the yellow road 10.5 miles and 3750 feet of ascent for
Ettrick Pen, Capel Fell and Croft Head. Scaw'd Fell is a peak too far
for me and getting to the start is not a particularly easy drive.

Not looked at any of the other prospects yet.

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Near A78: Deuchar Law. Dun Rig

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Andrewhiney.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 43 summits
New - 20 (Marilyns 6, Nuttalls 5, Outlying Fells 10)
Repeats - 23 (Marilyns 7, Nuttalls 14, Wainwrights 12, Outlying Fells 0)

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I have now had a quick look at the map. That is a seriously long walk
and well outside my capability. Even The Weis, Turner Cleuch Law and
Ward Law would give about 12.5 miles and 3800 feet of ascent (skirting
the forestry), most of it off paths if the comic is to believed. Even
that could be a hard day.

Yeah, might agree, Roger, I had my Anquet out last night and printed the
page off. It's Law Kneis that's the problem for me with the route. Looks
like Law Kneis is a single hill climb, rather then a combined one. It's
surrounded by rivers on the 2 sides we'd be on. BTW, I've just also noticed
Campsite/Caravan sites at Hopehouse and - don't laugh...."Midgehope".
Great name, eh?

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From Etrrick Water: Capel fell, Ettrick Pen, Croft Head, Scaw'd Fell

From the end of the yellow road 10.5 miles and 3750 feet of ascent for
Ettrick Pen, Capel Fell and Croft Head. Scaw'd Fell is a peak too far
for me and getting to the start is not a particularly easy drive.

Can't really tell what the roads like until you drive down it. I don't like
Forest tracks, so Scaw'd Fell might also be out. I'll make a decision when
I get there. But the thought of missing it out and having to go back
again.....Oh well I'll wait and see ;-)

Most of the ascent seems to be fairly gentle, although over 21km long.

Jhimmy

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I've got my maps out too...

And this one:

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From Etrrick Water: Capel fell, Ettrick Pen, Croft Head, Scaw'd Fell

From the end of the yellow road 10.5 miles and 3750 feet of ascent for
Ettrick Pen, Capel Fell and Croft Head. Scaw'd Fell is a peak too far
for me and getting to the start is not a particularly easy drive.

looks good but it is surely a linear walk rather than a circular.

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Can't really tell what the roads like until you drive down it. I don't like
Forest tracks, so Scaw'd Fell might also be out. I'll make a decision when
I get there. But the thought of missing it out and having to go back
again.....Oh well I'll wait and see ;-)

I'll sidestep that one by not being a bagger of wee hills :-)
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

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I have now had a quick look at the map. That is a seriously long walk
and well outside my capability. Even The Weis, Turner Cleuch Law and
Ward Law would give about 12.5 miles and 3800 feet of ascent (skirting
the forestry), most of it off paths if the comic is to believed. Even
that could be a hard day.

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Yeah, might agree, Roger, I had my Anquet out last night and printed the
page off. It's Law Kneis that's the problem for me with the route. Looks
like Law Kneis is a single hill climb, rather then a combined one. It's
surrounded by rivers on the 2 sides we'd be on. BTW, I've just also
noticed
Campsite/Caravan sites at Hopehouse and - don't laugh...."Midgehope".
Great name, eh?

Perhaps Judith was right. :-)

BTW I left out Cacra Hill as well as Law Kneis to get your walk down to
my standard. BTWBTW is the ranting and violent GOML still guarding the
original ROW approach to Law Kneis?

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From Etrrick Water: Capel fell, Ettrick Pen, Croft Head, Scaw'd Fell

From the end of the yellow road 10.5 miles and 3750 feet of ascent for
Ettrick Pen, Capel Fell and Croft Head. Scaw'd Fell is a peak too far
for me and getting to the start is not a particularly easy drive.

Can't really tell what the roads like until you drive down it. I don't like
Forest tracks, so Scaw'd Fell might also be out. I'll make a decision when
I get there. But the thought of missing it out and having to go back
again.....Oh well I'll wait and see ;-)

The problem is that it is at the far end of the horseshoe route so
getting back to the start could easily become a life or death struggle
although the route I planned actually followed the West ridge so there
is an escape route of sorts down by the river along the Southern Upland
Way and in extremis Capel Fell could be abandoned on the way back.

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Most of the ascent seems to be fairly gentle, although over 21km long.

I got my ascent total from Fugawi and I don't know how accurate that is
but adding in Scaw'd Fell means another 5 miles and 1500 feet of ascent
which might be beyond me even if the going is easy.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 43 summits
New - 20 (Marilyns 6, Nuttalls 5, Outlying Fells 10)
Repeats - 23 (Marilyns 7, Nuttalls 14, Wainwrights 12, Outlying Fells 0)

On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 19:44:04 +0100, Roger <[email hidden]>

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BTW, I've just also

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noticed
Campsite/Caravan sites at Hopehouse and - don't laugh...."Midgehope".
Great name, eh?

Perhaps Judith was right. :-)

No "perhaps" about it!

I did a 13-miler across the Wirral and back on Saturday. I got bitten
about 10 times. Yesterday I chose to burst one of the bites with a
needle. I had a balloon of clear liquid standing about 4mm high on my
arm. It was sore and no amount of hydrocortisone or antihistamine
cream was helping...... and these were just soft, southern jessie
midges.

That's why I think I'll give Exped 17 a miss, thanks.

Judith

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On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 19:44:04 +0100, Roger <[email hidden]>

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BTW, I've just also

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noticed
Campsite/Caravan sites at Hopehouse and - don't laugh...."Midgehope".
Great name, eh?

Perhaps Judith was right. :-)

No "perhaps" about it!

I did a 13-miler across the Wirral and back on Saturday. I got bitten
about 10 times. Yesterday I chose to burst one of the bites with a
needle.

I'd have done it far more gently....
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"I always knew the entire Green party were nutters" - Ken Livingstone

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On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 19:44:04 +0100, Roger <[email hidden]>
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I had a balloon of clear liquid standing about 4mm high on my
arm.

That's *nothing* :-(
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Theo
www.theosphotos.fotopic.net

On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 22:41:56 +0200, "theo" <[email hidden]>

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I had a balloon of clear liquid standing about 4mm high on my
arm.

That's *nothing* :-(

Did I say 4mm ?? I meant an inch - and there were 20 of them. In
fact, one mosquito chewed off my whole leg and I had to make a crutch
out of a GPS and a Titanium spoon.

(Since my Larig Ghru midge experience, a couple of years ago, I now
consider myself lucky if I can still see bare skin between the bites!)

Judith

On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 21:40:48 +0100, Paul Rooney <[email hidden]>

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I did a 13-miler across the Wirral and back on Saturday. I got bitten
about 10 times. Yesterday I chose to burst one of the bites with a
needle.

I'd have done it far more gently....

Just a little [censored], eh?

Judith

Judith said:

On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 22:41:56 +0200, "theo" <[email hidden]>

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I had a balloon of clear liquid standing about 4mm high on my
arm.

That's *nothing* :-(

Did I say 4mm ?? I meant an inch - and there were 20 of them. In
fact, one mosquito chewed off my whole leg and I had to make a crutch
out of a GPS and a Titanium spoon.

:-))

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(Since my Larig Ghru midge experience, a couple of years ago, I now
consider myself lucky if I can still see bare skin between the bites!)

Sounds like my Snowdonia experience a few weeks ago...

Best wishes,
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On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 22:41:56 +0200, "theo" <[email hidden]>

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I had a balloon of clear liquid standing about 4mm high on my
arm.

That's *nothing* :-(

Did I say 4mm ?? I meant an inch - and there were 20 of them. In
fact, one mosquito chewed off my whole leg and I had to make a crutch
out of a GPS and a Titanium spoon.....

.....and the yellow crusts covered all your skin. It's even better to be in a
dessert for two weeks without water (and no midges :-)

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Theo
www.theosphotos.fotopic.net

Judith said:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 21:40:48 +0100, Paul Rooney <[email hidden]>

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I did a 13-miler across the Wirral and back on Saturday. I got bitten
about 10 times. Yesterday I chose to burst one of the bites with a
needle.

I'd have done it far more gently....

Just a little [censored], eh?

Judith

Ha ha!
Wotchit, you!
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> From Etrrick Water: Capel fell, Ettrick Pen, Croft Head, Scaw'd Fell

From the end of the yellow road 10.5 miles and 3750 feet of ascent for
Ettrick Pen, Capel Fell and Croft Head. Scaw'd Fell is a peak too far
for me and getting to the start is not a particularly easy drive.

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looks good but it is surely a linear walk rather than a circular.

13 miles and 3550 feet of ascent. Much more doable but there would be a
lot of driving.

Campsite to Ettrick Water and back would be about 50 miles. Dumping a
car at Moffat would add about 30 miles so 80 miles with 2 cars instead
of 50 with one.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 43 summits
New - 20 (Marilyns 6, Nuttalls 5, Outlying Fells 10)
Repeats - 23 (Marilyns 7, Nuttalls 14, Wainwrights 12, Outlying Fells 0)

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I was recently just passing the time of day on a sunny afternoon in a
motorcycle dealers, as you do, when I spotted an attractive bargain,
an ancient cheap motorcycle suitable for an ancient cheap bloke which
might actually even be in running order. Visions of roaring round the
Highlands with camping gear strapped to the back! No, seriously love,
think how much quicker I'll get back from Tesco's if I don't have to
wait for the bus :-)

Am testing it out gingerly in local runs of gradually increased scope,
while progressively checking it over. It's now got as far as a five
mile run to a crematorium. Well, once you get to certain age,
funerals are where you meet your friends :-(

So far so good, appears to be in surprisingly good knick for something
older than the shop assistants who sold it to me. But the luggage
carrying subframe is very seriously cracked and needs replacing, and
it may take a while to locate a suitably old and cheap replacement.

Come on then, what sort of machine is it??? for a while I was into my bikes!

St Mary's Loch seems to becoming a bit of a mecca for the "big sports bikes"
at weekends they can turn the whole area into something akin to the TT
races, its about the right distance from Newcastle, Edinburgh and Glasgow
for a day out, and a apparently a real test piece for speed and handling
between Moffat and Selkirk. Its quite normal to see several hundred big
bikes at the Tibbie on a sat or sun. This was one of the reasons I stopped
sailing at st marys loch. Like being in the hills sailing should be a
peaceful experience, the constant noise of the big bikes screaming by at
full revs hardly leaves you with your own thoughts