Ebola

"Angela" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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And you want to make such a stupid statement. Provide the proof, I'd
love to read it.

That's easy:

Polio is easily transmitted in unsanitary conditions.

The more unsanitary, the earlier people are likely to be infected.

Polio is a serious disease in older people.

As sanitation improved, more people were exposed at an older age.

Get it now? If you still disagree, explain which points you object to and
why.

le moo

RUSTY said:

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Subject: Re: Ebola
From: Mark Probert

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Prove that cholera surives in water longer as you claim.

** V. cholerae O1 survived for 8 days in
plain water whereas in presence of Fe2O3 it survived up to 15 days.**

Indian J Med Res 2000 Apr;111:115-7

Effect of iron on the survival of Vibrio cholerae in water.

Joseph S, Bhat KG

Department of Microbiology, Kasturba Medical College, Mangalore.

Effect of iron in the form of ferric oxide (Fe2O3) on the survival of
V. cholerae O1 was studied. V. cholerae O1 survived for 8 days in
plain water whereas in presence of Fe2O3 it survived up to 15 days.
Presence of organic material in the water further promoted the
bacterial survival by at least 4 days. There was no difference between
the behaviour of El Tor and classical biotype. These results indicate
that the presence of iron in water could promote the survival of V.
cholerae O1 in water and may play a significant role in the
epidemiology of cholera.

PMID: 10935316, UI: 20391001
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OOPS. Comparing bacteria and virus. Gotcha.

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Subject: Re: Ebola
From: Mark Probert [email hidden]
Date: 8/12/2003 3:27 PM Mountain Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

RUSTY said:

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Subject: Re: Ebola
From: Mark Probert

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Prove that cholera surives in water longer as you claim.

** V. cholerae O1 survived for 8 days in
plain water whereas in presence of Fe2O3 it survived up to 15 days.**

Indian J Med Res 2000 Apr;111:115-7

Effect of iron on the survival of Vibrio cholerae in water.

Joseph S, Bhat KG

Department of Microbiology, Kasturba Medical College, Mangalore.

Effect of iron in the form of ferric oxide (Fe2O3) on the survival of
V. cholerae O1 was studied. V. cholerae O1 survived for 8 days in
plain water whereas in presence of Fe2O3 it survived up to 15 days.
Presence of organic material in the water further promoted the
bacterial survival by at least 4 days. There was no difference between
the behaviour of El Tor and classical biotype. These results indicate
that the presence of iron in water could promote the survival of V.
cholerae O1 in water and may play a significant role in the
epidemiology of cholera.

PMID: 10935316, UI: 20391001
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OOPS. Comparing bacteria and virus. Gotcha.

**Surprisingly, most strains of V cholerae are harmless organisms that live and
multiply in rivers and the open sea. But at some time in its evolutionary
history, the O1 strain turned lethal. What caused this deadly transformation? A
virus, according to microbiologist Matthew Waldor.**

It seems according to at least ONE microbiologist .. virus IS the underlying
cause of BOTH problems ..?

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There is not a whole lot of difference in the pathogen underlying Ebola and the
pathogen underlying Cholera.

Except that one is a virus, and the other is a bacteria which ics
capable of reproducing itself without invading host cells.

Well, there's also the several-orders-of-magnitude difference
in size, the fact that cholera survives outside of the body,
the fact that mechanism of pathogenesis, the variety of hosts
that harbor cholera, the fact that cholera is usually survivable
with reasonable supportive care, ....

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From: Mark Probert [email hidden]
Date: 8/12/2003 3:27 PM Mountain Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Learn to quote properly, please.

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OOPS. Comparing bacteria and virus. Gotcha.

**Surprisingly, most strains of V cholerae are harmless organisms that live and
multiply in rivers and the open sea. But at some time in its evolutionary
history, the O1 strain turned lethal. What caused this deadly transformation? A
virus, according to microbiologist Matthew Waldor.**

It seems according to at least ONE microbiologist .. virus IS the underlying
cause of BOTH problems ..?

Do you think that that means that cholera is harmless and
the harm is done by an as-yet-unidentified virus?

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