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  1. Normally, the substantial progress of Mainstream medicine is not a core topic
    of MHA. However, given the recent discussion of vaccines, research
    methodology, and immunity, I thought I'd post this article, in its entirety,
    with attributions.

    http://www.forbes.com/markets/newswire/2003/08/06/rtr1050728.html

    By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent

    WASHINGTON, Aug 6 (Reuters) - U.S. government researchers said on Wednesday
    they had developed a vaccine that protected monkeys against Ebola virus with a
    single dose -- offering a new way to stop an outbreak of the deadly disease.

    The vaccine was made using a new approach that should work against a range of
    other viruses, as well, the researchers said. And the new technology might
    offer a quick way to develop an instant vaccine against new infections, such as
    SARS, or even a biological weapon.

    Dr. Gary Nabel, the top vaccine expert at the U.S. Institute of Allergy and
    Infectious Diseases and leader of the study, said he was surprised a single
    shot worked.

    "If we can do this for Ebola virus, I am hopeful we can apply it to other
    infectious outbreaks," Nabel said in a telephone interview.

    Ebola, a new and frightening virus that can cause internal bleeding and shock,
    kills anywhere between 50 percent and 90 percent of victims, has resisted
    vaccine efforts so far.

    Nabel and colleagues started with a common virus called an adenovirus -- the
    culprit behind many cases of the common cold and some more serious infections
    as well. They added one piece of DNA from the Ebola virus -- the glycoprotein.

    Traditional vaccines use a whole virus, live, killed or weakened, to help the
    immune system recognize the invader. The DNA vaccine relies on a strong immune
    response to the adenovirus, and the immune system recognizes the Ebola virus
    simply by recognizing the glycoprotein.

    To the researchers' surprise, monkeys given a single jab with this vaccine were
    100 percent protected from what should have been a deadly dose of Ebola, they
    report in this week's issue of the journal Nature.

    PROTECTING MORE THAN MICE

    "After years of developing candidate Ebola vaccines that protected rodents but
    failed in primates, it is gratifying to have a vaccine that holds great promise
    for protection of humans," Peter Jahrling, a senior research scientist at the
    U.S. Army Research Institute of Infectious Diseases, who also worked on the
    study, said in a statement.

    In April, an outbreak of Ebola killed more than 120 people in the Congo
    Republic and also killed many gorillas living in a nearby wildlife preserve. A
    vaccine would be used to control such outbreaks in both people and animals,
    Nabel said.

    "Ring vaccination might be used to stop the spread of the Ebola virus during
    acute outbreaks, just as this strategy was used to contain smallpox in the
    past," Nabel said.

    With ring vaccination, everyone who has been in contact with a patient, as well
    as all members of the patient's household, are vaccinated. It is also safer
    than the smallpox vaccine, which uses a live virus related to smallpox.

    "This begins to change our minds about how vaccines can be used," Nabel said.
    Instead of vaccinating large populations against diseases just in case, such a
    vaccine could be used tactically, when an outbreak starts, to control it
    quickly.

    Nabel said the approach may be used in the development of vaccine against SARS.

    Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, which sickened more than 8,000 people around
    the world and killed more than 800, seems under control now but experts expect
    it could reemerge in the autumn. NIAID is working with Maryland-based GenVec
    (nasdaq: GNVC - news - people) on vaccines against both SARS and the AIDS
    virus.

    For the Ebola virus, NIAID is working with Dutch biotechnology company Crucell
    NV <CRCL.AS>. They hope to test it in humans soon.

    NIAID is still pursuing an older approach to an Ebola vaccine that it has been
    working on with vaccine developer Vical Inc. (nasdaq: VICL - news - people)
    called a DNA prime-boost, which may offer longer-term protection against the
    virus.

    Copyright 2003, Reuters News Service

  2. (Ilsa9) said:

    To the researchers' surprise, monkeys given a single jab with this vaccine were
    100 percent protected from what should have been a deadly dose of Ebola, they
    report in this week's issue of the journal Nature.

    WOW! I'm impressed. This needs to be put on a fast track for
    human testing.

    Quoted message said:

    In April, an outbreak of Ebola killed more than 120 people in the Congo
    Republic and also killed many gorillas living in a nearby wildlife preserve. A
    vaccine would be used to control such outbreaks in both people and animals,
    Nabel said.

    And who gets to inoculate the gorillas? Somehow I don't think a
    lollipop will be enough to make them hold still.

    Tsu

    --
    To doubt everything or to believe everything
    are two equally convenient solutions; both
    dispense with the necessity of reflection.
    - Jules Henri Poincaré

  3. In said:

    Nabel and colleagues started with a common virus called an adenovirus -- the
    culprit behind many cases of the common cold and some more serious infections
    as well. They added one piece of DNA from the Ebola virus -- the glycoprotein.

    Eeeeeeenteresting.

    Using adenoviruses, one would expect that there would be
    a large secondary immunization effect since the adenoviruses
    are pretty contagious.

    --
    | Microsoft: "A reputation for releasing inferior software will make |
    | it more difficult for a software vendor to induce customers to pay |
    | for new products or new versions of existing products." |
    end

  4. Yes Ilsa - a vaccine for ebola is real good news - for the people who
    will make and sell it.

    What about sewer collection? what about clean fresh water and soap?
    what about good food for undernourished people?

    Best wishes. angela.

    [email hidden] (Ilsa9) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Normally, the substantial progress of Mainstream medicine is not a core topic
    of MHA. However, given the recent discussion of vaccines, research
    methodology, and immunity, I thought I'd post this article, in its entirety,
    with attributions.

    http://www.forbes.com/markets/newswire/2003/08/06/rtr1050728.html

    By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent

    WASHINGTON, Aug 6 (Reuters) - U.S. government researchers said on Wednesday
    they had developed a vaccine that protected monkeys against Ebola virus with a
    single dose -- offering a new way to stop an outbreak of the deadly disease.

    The vaccine was made using a new approach that should work against a range of
    other viruses, as well, the researchers said. And the new technology might
    offer a quick way to develop an instant vaccine against new infections, such as
    SARS, or even a biological weapon.

    Dr. Gary Nabel, the top vaccine expert at the U.S. Institute of Allergy and
    Infectious Diseases and leader of the study, said he was surprised a single
    shot worked.

    "If we can do this for Ebola virus, I am hopeful we can apply it to other
    infectious outbreaks," Nabel said in a telephone interview.

    Ebola, a new and frightening virus that can cause internal bleeding and shock,
    kills anywhere between 50 percent and 90 percent of victims, has resisted
    vaccine efforts so far.

    Nabel and colleagues started with a common virus called an adenovirus -- the
    culprit behind many cases of the common cold and some more serious infections
    as well. They added one piece of DNA from the Ebola virus -- the glycoprotein.

    Traditional vaccines use a whole virus, live, killed or weakened, to help the
    immune system recognize the invader. The DNA vaccine relies on a strong immune
    response to the adenovirus, and the immune system recognizes the Ebola virus
    simply by recognizing the glycoprotein.

    To the researchers' surprise, monkeys given a single jab with this vaccine were
    100 percent protected from what should have been a deadly dose of Ebola, they
    report in this week's issue of the journal Nature.

    PROTECTING MORE THAN MICE

    "After years of developing candidate Ebola vaccines that protected rodents but
    failed in primates, it is gratifying to have a vaccine that holds great promise
    for protection of humans," Peter Jahrling, a senior research scientist at the
    U.S. Army Research Institute of Infectious Diseases, who also worked on the
    study, said in a statement.

    In April, an outbreak of Ebola killed more than 120 people in the Congo
    Republic and also killed many gorillas living in a nearby wildlife preserve. A
    vaccine would be used to control such outbreaks in both people and animals,
    Nabel said.

    "Ring vaccination might be used to stop the spread of the Ebola virus during
    acute outbreaks, just as this strategy was used to contain smallpox in the
    past," Nabel said.

    With ring vaccination, everyone who has been in contact with a patient, as well
    as all members of the patient's household, are vaccinated. It is also safer
    than the smallpox vaccine, which uses a live virus related to smallpox.

    "This begins to change our minds about how vaccines can be used," Nabel said.
    Instead of vaccinating large populations against diseases just in case, such a
    vaccine could be used tactically, when an outbreak starts, to control it
    quickly.

    Nabel said the approach may be used in the development of vaccine against SARS.

    Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, which sickened more than 8,000 people around
    the world and killed more than 800, seems under control now but experts expect
    it could reemerge in the autumn. NIAID is working with Maryland-based GenVec
    (nasdaq: GNVC - news - people) on vaccines against both SARS and the AIDS
    virus.

    For the Ebola virus, NIAID is working with Dutch biotechnology company Crucell
    NV <CRCL.AS>. They hope to test it in humans soon.

    NIAID is still pursuing an older approach to an Ebola vaccine that it has been
    working on with vaccine developer Vical Inc. (nasdaq: VICL - news - people)
    called a DNA prime-boost, which may offer longer-term protection against the
    virus.

    Copyright 2003, Reuters News Service

  5. Tsu Dho Nimh <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    (Ilsa9) said:

    To the researchers' surprise, monkeys given a single jab with this vaccine were
    100 percent protected from what should have been a deadly dose of Ebola, they
    report in this week's issue of the journal Nature.

    Pseu-do-nym said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    WOW! I'm impressed. This needs to be put on a fast track for
    human testing.>>>>

    Yeah why don't you get out there and volunteer for this one. It sounds so good.

    Best wishes. Angela

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    In April, an outbreak of Ebola killed more than 120 people in the Congo
    Republic and also killed many gorillas living in a nearby wildlife preserve. A
    vaccine would be used to control such outbreaks in both people and animals,
    Nabel said.

    And who gets to inoculate the gorillas? Somehow I don't think a
    lollipop will be enough to make them hold still.

    Tsu

  6. Quoted message said:

    Yes Ilsa - a vaccine for ebola is real good news - for the people who
    will make and sell it.

    Its even better news for those who take it. Ebola is a horrible disease, one
    that EVEN homeopathy is powerless to treat.

    Quoted message said:

    What about sewer collection? what about clean fresh water and soap?
    what about good food for undernourished people?

    What about them? Perhaps you'd care to read a usenet group about sanitation?

    Quoted message said:


    Best wishes. angela.

  7. (Angela) said:

    Yes Ilsa - a vaccine for ebola is real good news - for the people who
    will make and sell it.

    What about sewer collection? what about clean fresh water and soap?
    what about good food for undernourished people?

    Those are all nice things to have, but isn't developing a vaccine
    for a truly horrendous disease a nice thing.

    For one, the people who are working in those areas to work on the
    sanitation and food supplies would have one less thing to worry
    about. Alsp, a farmer who dies of Ebola can't produce any more
    food.

    Tsu

    --
    To doubt everything or to believe everything
    are two equally convenient solutions; both
    dispense with the necessity of reflection.
    - Jules Henri Poincaré

  8. (Angela) said:
    Pseu-do-nym said:
    Quoted message said:

    >WOW! I'm impressed. This needs to be put on a fast track for
    > human testing.>>>>

    Quoted message said:

    Yeah why don't you get out there and volunteer for this one.
    It sounds so good.

    If the field trials were being done near me, I would. But they
    aren't.

    FYI, I've done my share of having vaccines tested on me. I was
    one of the children Salk's original vaccine was tested on.

    Tsu

    --
    To doubt everything or to believe everything
    are two equally convenient solutions; both
    dispense with the necessity of reflection.
    - Jules Henri Poincaré

  9. Angela said:

    Tsu Dho Nimh <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    (Ilsa9) said:

    To the researchers' surprise, monkeys given a single jab with this vaccine were
    100 percent protected from what should have been a deadly dose of Ebola, they
    report in this week's issue of the journal Nature.

    Pseu-do-nym said:
    Quoted message said:

    >WOW! I'm impressed. This needs to be put on a fast track for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >human testing.>>>>

    Yeah why don't you get out there and volunteer for this one. It sounds so good.

    Best wishes. Angela

    Have you ever seen a person with a hemorrhagic fever die?

    You would not be so flip if you have.

    typical altie.

  10. Angela said:

    Yes Ilsa - a vaccine for ebola is real good news - for the people who
    will make and sell it.

    Are you reall such a moron, or are you pulling our legs? Did you read
    the article? Did you understand it?

    From the article:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Ring vaccination might be used to stop the spread of the Ebola virus


    during

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    acute outbreaks, just as this strategy was used to contain smallpox


    in the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    past," Nabel said.

    Do you know what ring vaccination is? Do you have the slighest idea of
    how it works? Do you know why it cannot be a profit center for a
    pharmaceutical company?

    Do you know what the NIH and U.S. Army Research Institute of Infectious
    Diseases are? They are the ones who developed this.

    Get a clue.

    Quoted message said:

    What about sewer collection? what about clean fresh water and soap?
    what about good food for undernourished people?

    Best wishes. angela.

    [email hidden] (Ilsa9) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Normally, the substantial progress of Mainstream medicine is not a core topic
    of MHA. However, given the recent discussion of vaccines, research
    methodology, and immunity, I thought I'd post this article, in its entirety,
    with attributions.

    http://www.forbes.com/markets/newswire/2003/08/06/rtr1050728.html

    By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent

    WASHINGTON, Aug 6 (Reuters) - U.S. government researchers said on Wednesday
    they had developed a vaccine that protected monkeys against Ebola virus with a
    single dose -- offering a new way to stop an outbreak of the deadly disease.

    The vaccine was made using a new approach that should work against a range of
    other viruses, as well, the researchers said. And the new technology might
    offer a quick way to develop an instant vaccine against new infections, such as
    SARS, or even a biological weapon.

    Dr. Gary Nabel, the top vaccine expert at the U.S. Institute of Allergy and
    Infectious Diseases and leader of the study, said he was surprised a single
    shot worked.

    "If we can do this for Ebola virus, I am hopeful we can apply it to other
    infectious outbreaks," Nabel said in a telephone interview.

    Ebola, a new and frightening virus that can cause internal bleeding and shock,
    kills anywhere between 50 percent and 90 percent of victims, has resisted
    vaccine efforts so far.

    Nabel and colleagues started with a common virus called an adenovirus -- the
    culprit behind many cases of the common cold and some more serious infections
    as well. They added one piece of DNA from the Ebola virus -- the glycoprotein.

    Traditional vaccines use a whole virus, live, killed or weakened, to help the
    immune system recognize the invader. The DNA vaccine relies on a strong immune
    response to the adenovirus, and the immune system recognizes the Ebola virus
    simply by recognizing the glycoprotein.

    To the researchers' surprise, monkeys given a single jab with this vaccine were
    100 percent protected from what should have been a deadly dose of Ebola, they
    report in this week's issue of the journal Nature.

    PROTECTING MORE THAN MICE

    "After years of developing candidate Ebola vaccines that protected rodents but
    failed in primates, it is gratifying to have a vaccine that holds great promise
    for protection of humans," Peter Jahrling, a senior research scientist at the
    U.S. Army Research Institute of Infectious Diseases, who also worked on the
    study, said in a statement.

    In April, an outbreak of Ebola killed more than 120 people in the Congo
    Republic and also killed many gorillas living in a nearby wildlife preserve. A
    vaccine would be used to control such outbreaks in both people and animals,
    Nabel said.

    "Ring vaccination might be used to stop the spread of the Ebola virus during
    acute outbreaks, just as this strategy was used to contain smallpox in the
    past," Nabel said.

    With ring vaccination, everyone who has been in contact with a patient, as well
    as all members of the patient's household, are vaccinated. It is also safer
    than the smallpox vaccine, which uses a live virus related to smallpox.

    "This begins to change our minds about how vaccines can be used," Nabel said.
    Instead of vaccinating large populations against diseases just in case, such a
    vaccine could be used tactically, when an outbreak starts, to control it
    quickly.

    Nabel said the approach may be used in the development of vaccine against SARS.

    Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, which sickened more than 8,000 people around
    the world and killed more than 800, seems under control now but experts expect
    it could reemerge in the autumn. NIAID is working with Maryland-based GenVec
    (nasdaq: GNVC - news - people) on vaccines against both SARS and the AIDS
    virus.

    For the Ebola virus, NIAID is working with Dutch biotechnology company Crucell
    NV <CRCL.AS>. They hope to test it in humans soon.

    NIAID is still pursuing an older approach to an Ebola vaccine that it has been
    working on with vaccine developer Vical Inc. (nasdaq: VICL - news - people)
    called a DNA prime-boost, which may offer longer-term protection against the
    virus.

    Copyright 2003, Reuters News Service

  11. Tsu Dho Nimh said:

    FYI, I've done my share of having vaccines tested on me. I was
    one of the children Salk's original vaccine was tested on.

    So was I, and look at how we both turned out. Debunkers all! Someone
    should report this adverse reaction to VAERS.

    --
    Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    I'm a Bright. Are you?

  12. [email hidden] (Ilsa9) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Yes Ilsa - a vaccine for ebola is real good news - for the people who
    will make and sell it.>>>

    Quoted message said:


    Its even better news for those who take it. Ebola is a horrible disease, one
    that EVEN homeopathy is powerless to treat.

    You wouldn't know anything about homeopathy, Mary sunshine.

    Best wishes. Angela.

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Angela said:

    [email hidden] (Ilsa9) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Yes Ilsa - a vaccine for ebola is real good news - for the people who
    will make and sell it.>>>

    Quoted message said:


    Its even better news for those who take it. Ebola is a horrible disease, one
    that EVEN homeopathy is powerless to treat.

    You wouldn't know anything about homeopathy, Mary sunshine.

    But I bet Ilsa knows something about homeopathy, in fact. Whereas you
    know nothing about Ebola. So whose opinion shall we take?

    Indeed, I don't see how homeopathy could be used to treat Ebola, since
    I don't recall any of the standard homeopathic remedies mimicking the
    symptoms of Ebola.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  14. Wasn't there some Ebola outbreaks in the Hospitals a while back?
    Anth

    "Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Angela said:

    Yes Ilsa - a vaccine for ebola is real good news - for the people who
    will make and sell it.

    Are you reall such a moron, or are you pulling our legs? Did you read
    the article? Did you understand it?

    From the article:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Ring vaccination might be used to stop the spread of the Ebola virus


    during

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    acute outbreaks, just as this strategy was used to contain smallpox


    in the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    past," Nabel said.

    Do you know what ring vaccination is? Do you have the slighest idea of
    how it works? Do you know why it cannot be a profit center for a
    pharmaceutical company?

    Do you know what the NIH and U.S. Army Research Institute of Infectious
    Diseases are? They are the ones who developed this.

    Get a clue.

    Quoted message said:

    What about sewer collection? what about clean fresh water and soap?
    what about good food for undernourished people?

    Best wishes. angela.

    [email hidden] (Ilsa9) wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
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    Quoted message said:

    Normally, the substantial progress of Mainstream medicine is not a core


    topic

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    of MHA. However, given the recent discussion of vaccines, research
    methodology, and immunity, I thought I'd post this article, in its


    entirety,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    with attributions.

    http://www.forbes.com/markets/newswire/2003/08/06/rtr1050728.html

    By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent

    WASHINGTON, Aug 6 (Reuters) - U.S. government researchers said on


    Wednesday

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    they had developed a vaccine that protected monkeys against Ebola virus


    with a

    Quoted message said:
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    Quoted message said:

    single dose -- offering a new way to stop an outbreak of the deadly


    disease.

    Quoted message said:
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    Quoted message said:


    The vaccine was made using a new approach that should work against a


    range of

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    other viruses, as well, the researchers said. And the new technology


    might

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    offer a quick way to develop an instant vaccine against new infections,


    such as

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    Quoted message said:

    SARS, or even a biological weapon.

    Dr. Gary Nabel, the top vaccine expert at the U.S. Institute of Allergy


    and

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    Infectious Diseases and leader of the study, said he was surprised a


    single

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    shot worked.

    "If we can do this for Ebola virus, I am hopeful we can apply it to


    other

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    infectious outbreaks," Nabel said in a telephone interview.

    Ebola, a new and frightening virus that can cause internal bleeding and


    shock,

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    Quoted message said:

    kills anywhere between 50 percent and 90 percent of victims, has


    resisted

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    Quoted message said:

    vaccine efforts so far.

    Nabel and colleagues started with a common virus called an adenovirus --


    the

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    Quoted message said:

    culprit behind many cases of the common cold and some more serious


    infections

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    as well. They added one piece of DNA from the Ebola virus -- the


    glycoprotein.

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    Traditional vaccines use a whole virus, live, killed or weakened, to


    help the

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    Quoted message said:

    immune system recognize the invader. The DNA vaccine relies on a strong


    immune

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    Quoted message said:

    response to the adenovirus, and the immune system recognizes the Ebola


    virus

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    simply by recognizing the glycoprotein.

    To the researchers' surprise, monkeys given a single jab with this


    vaccine were

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    Quoted message said:

    100 percent protected from what should have been a deadly dose of Ebola,


    they

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    report in this week's issue of the journal Nature.

    PROTECTING MORE THAN MICE

    "After years of developing candidate Ebola vaccines that protected


    rodents but

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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    failed in primates, it is gratifying to have a vaccine that holds great


    promise

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    for protection of humans," Peter Jahrling, a senior research scientist


    at the

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    U.S. Army Research Institute of Infectious Diseases, who also worked on


    the

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    study, said in a statement.

    In April, an outbreak of Ebola killed more than 120 people in the Congo
    Republic and also killed many gorillas living in a nearby wildlife


    preserve. A

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    vaccine would be used to control such outbreaks in both people and


    animals,

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    Quoted message said:

    Nabel said.

    "Ring vaccination might be used to stop the spread of the Ebola virus


    during

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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    acute outbreaks, just as this strategy was used to contain smallpox in


    the

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    past," Nabel said.

    With ring vaccination, everyone who has been in contact with a patient,


    as well

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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    as all members of the patient's household, are vaccinated. It is also


    safer

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    than the smallpox vaccine, which uses a live virus related to smallpox.

    "This begins to change our minds about how vaccines can be used," Nabel


    said.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Instead of vaccinating large populations against diseases just in case,


    such a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    vaccine could be used tactically, when an outbreak starts, to control it
    quickly.

    Nabel said the approach may be used in the development of vaccine


    against SARS.

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  15. Mark Probert <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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    Angela said:

    Yes Ilsa - a vaccine for ebola is real good news - for the people who
    will make and sell it.

    Mark the vaccinator:

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    Are you reall such a moron, or are you pulling our legs? Did you read
    the article? Did you understand it?

    From the article:

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    "Ring vaccination might be used to stop the spread of the Ebola virus


    during

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    acute outbreaks, just as this strategy was used to contain smallpox


    in the

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    past," Nabel said.

    Do you know what ring vaccination is? Do you have the slighest idea of
    how it works? Do you know why it cannot be a profit center for a
    pharmaceutical company?

    Do you know what the NIH and U.S. Army Research Institute of Infectious
    Diseases are? They are the ones who developed this.

    Get a clue.

    Just great a miraculous vaccine instead of clean water.

    Don't you know there is no such thing as a free lunch? Rent a brain
    for a week- see what you think.

    As for the question "have I seen hemorrrhagic fever - no! but where I
    live we have municipal sewer and water.

    Best wishes. Angela

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  16. "Angela" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht
    news:[email hidden]...

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    Tsu Dho Nimh <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

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    (Angela) said:

    Pseu-do-nym wrote:
    >>>WOW! I'm impressed. This needs to be put on a fast track for
    >>> human testing.>>>>

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    Yeah why don't you get out there and volunteer for this one.
    It sounds so good.

    If the field trials were being done near me, I would. But they
    aren't.

    FYI, I've done my share of having vaccines tested on me. I was
    one of the children Salk's original vaccine was tested on.

    Tsu

    Well Pseu,

    If what you say is true and you have had the original Salk vaccine,
    then you too are a clock ticking. Just had the feeling you were much
    younger than this. No one I know that is my age has their head in the
    sand anymore. Too much illness in the real world. I am more
    alternative than many of my friends. Life experience just made it
    that way. They however do not turn their noses up at alternative
    medicine.

    Sorry to have to disagree about vaccines but I do - yeah I know, I've
    heard all the arguments pro and con and I would not recommend anything
    to anybody. People have to start taking responsibility for themselves
    so that they have only themselves to blame when they are wrong or
    themselves to congratulate when they are right.

    Everybody on earth should have municipal sewer and water and adequate
    nourishment. This is not debatable.

    Now there's something I'll wager everybody agrees on. Sanitation is one of
    the great revolutions that really changed the world, at least for those who
    can afford it. But, with all the fighting and political debate going on, I
    doubt that good sanitation will become available for many Africans and
    Asians in the near future.

    --

    Robert Bronsing

    But that's okay, see the children bleed
    It'll look great on the TV

  17. In said:

    If what you say is true and you have had the original Salk vaccine,
    then you too are a clock ticking. Just had the feeling you were much
    younger than this. No one I know that is my age has their head in the
    sand anymore. Too much illness in the real world. I am more
    alternative than many of my friends. Life experience just made it
    that way. They however do not turn their noses up at alternative
    medicine.

    Sorry to have to disagree about vaccines but I do - yeah I know, I've
    heard all the arguments pro and con and I would not recommend anything
    to anybody. People have to start taking responsibility for themselves
    so that they have only themselves to blame when they are wrong or
    themselves to congratulate when they are right.

    Everybody on earth should have municipal sewer and water and adequate
    nourishment. This is not debatable.

    Fascinating argument -- you start off putting down the use
    of vaccines to prevent polio, then end up advocating the
    very thing that causes polio to be so devastating.

    What is it about death and disability that you like?

    --
    | Microsoft: "A reputation for releasing inferior software will make |
    | it more difficult for a software vendor to induce customers to pay |
    | for new products or new versions of existing products." |
    end

  18. Anth said:

    Wasn't there some Ebola outbreaks in the Hospitals a while back?

    In the areas of the outbreak, due to shortage of protective gear,
    or to a case that was not recognized, yes.

    There have perhaps been a couple of cases that developed in a
    returned travellee in the USA or Europe. Standard infection
    control measures can prevent it spreading - it's not a threat in
    a modern medical facility.

    Tsu

    --
    To doubt everything or to believe everything
    are two equally convenient solutions; both
    dispense with the necessity of reflection.
    - Jules Henri Poincaré

  19. (Angela) said:

    As for the question "have I seen hemorrrhagic fever - no! but where I
    live we have municipal sewer and water.

    FYI, Ebola does NOT spread through contaminated water.

    Tsu

    --
    To doubt everything or to believe everything
    are two equally convenient solutions; both
    dispense with the necessity of reflection.
    - Jules Henri Poincaré

  20. (Angela) said:

    Tsu Dho Nimh <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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    (Angela) said:

    Yeah why don't you get out there and volunteer for this one.
    It sounds so good.

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    Tsu Dho Nimh <[email hidden]> wrote

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    FYI, I've done my share of having vaccines tested on me. I was
    one of the children Salk's original vaccine was tested on.

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    Well Pseu,


    Please have the courtesy to spell my posting name the way I do.

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    If what you say is true and you have had the original Salk vaccine,
    then you too are a clock ticking.

    What do you mean I'm "a clock ticking"? Am I getting older? Yes!
    Am I going to die? Yes! Do I care? A little, but if heredity
    has anything to do with it, I've got another 30-40 years of
    active life to look forward to.

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    Just had the feeling you were much younger than this.
    No one I know that is my age has their head in the
    sand anymore. Too much illness in the real world.

    And you are implying that I inhabit an un-real world? That I
    have somehow missed seeing sick, dying, and dead people in my
    world? That I have not had friends and coworkers die in my
    world?

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    I am more alternative than many of my friends. Life experience
    just made it that way. They however do not turn their noses up
    at alternative medicine.

    And if you had been reading my posts, you would see that I have
    LIFELONG experience with alternative medicine: but the reason I
    didn't die at 4 was streptomycin ... the reason I didn't die at
    30 was amphotericin B ... genetics and a healthy lifestyle can
    only do so much.

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    Everybody on earth should have municipal sewer and water and adequate
    nourishment. This is not debatable.

    The issues are not linked: if we can keep them from dying of
    Ebola, malaria and measles, maybe they can live long enough to
    see the plumbing.

    Tsu

    --
    To doubt everything or to believe everything
    are two equally convenient solutions; both
    dispense with the necessity of reflection.
    - Jules Henri Poincaré

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