Ebola

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Tsu Dho Nimh <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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The issues are not linked: if we can keep them from dying of
Ebola, malaria and measles, maybe they can live long enough to
see the plumbing.

Disease has always been linked to poor sanitary conditions and
inadequate nourishment.

Polio -- associated with *good* sanitary conditions.
Measles -- airborne, sanitation has nothing to do with it.
Haemophilis influenzae -- airborne, sanitation irrelevant.
Mumps -- airborne, see above.
Rubella -- airborne, see above.
Pertussis -- airborne, see above.
Diphtheria -- airborne, see above.
Tetanus -- a soil bacterium, sanitation irrelevant.
Hepatitus B -- blood-borne, sanitation etc.

Good nutrition (and good health generally) make it possible
to survive these diseases, but does almost nothing to prevent
them or the nastier sequelae such as brain damage.

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(Angela) said:

Tsu Dho Nimh <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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(Angela) said:

As for the question "have I seen hemorrrhagic fever - no! but where I
live we have municipal sewer and water.

FYI, Ebola does NOT spread through contaminated water.

Tsu

FYI I did't say it was spread through contaminated water.

Your statement "As for the question "have I seen hemorrrhagic
fever - no! but where I live we have municipal sewer and water."

In English, the use of the conjunction "no, but" implies that the
clauses it connects are strongly related. In this case, whether
you intended to or not, you stated that thereason you have not
seen any hemorrrhagic fevers is related to the municipal sewer
and water service.

(the Evil Organised English Editors and Grammarians say so)

Tsu

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are two equally convenient solutions; both
dispense with the necessity of reflection.
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(Angela) said:

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Everybody on earth should have municipal sewer and water and adequate
nourishment. This is not debatable.

The issues are not linked: if we can keep them from dying of
Ebola, malaria and measles, maybe they can live long enough to
see the plumbing.

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Disease has always been linked to poor sanitary conditions and
inadequate nourishment.

All of them?

Tsu

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To doubt everything or to believe everything
are two equally convenient solutions; both
dispense with the necessity of reflection.
- Jules Henri Poincaré

D. C. Sessions said:

In said:

Disease has always been linked to poor sanitary conditions and
inadequate nourishment.

Polio -- associated with *good* sanitary conditions.
Measles -- airborne, sanitation has nothing to do with it.
Haemophilis influenzae -- airborne, sanitation irrelevant.
Mumps -- airborne, see above.
Rubella -- airborne, see above.
Pertussis -- airborne, see above.
Diphtheria -- airborne, see above.
Tetanus -- a soil bacterium, sanitation irrelevant.
Hepatitus B -- blood-borne, sanitation etc.

SARS! -- airborne, see above, although handwashing helps in most
of the airborne viruses, it is not a sure prevention.

You forgot the contact/bite diseases: rabies, warts, STDs in
general, tularemia, brucellosis, cat-scratch fever, rose fever
....

Various airborne pathogens with little human-human transmision:
coccidioidomycosis, Q fever, whatever they are calling that Four
Corners virus (which is often contracted while CLEANING)

And the vector-borne viruses: West Nile Fever, yellow fever,
various arboviruses in general, the tick transmitted Rocy
Mountain spotted fever, Lyme disease, Borrelia, chagas disease
....

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Good nutrition (and good health generally) make it possible
to survive these diseases, but does almost nothing to prevent
them or the nastier sequelae such as brain damage.

Tsu

--
To doubt everything or to believe everything
are two equally convenient solutions; both
dispense with the necessity of reflection.
- Jules Henri Poincaré

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(Angela) said:

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>Everybody on earth should have municipal sewer and water and adequate
>nourishment. This is not debatable.

The issues are not linked: if we can keep them from dying of
Ebola, malaria and measles, maybe they can live long enough to
see the plumbing.

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Disease has always been linked to poor sanitary conditions and
inadequate nourishment.

I thought the alts were linking disease to Aspartame, Amalgams, Vaccines,
Anti-biotics, dairy, yeast, toxins, and (wait for it) iatrogenic causes.

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All of them?

Whatever suits their purpose at the moment. Their "science", like their
ethics, is a completely /situational/ affectation.

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Tsu

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"Angela" <[email hidden]> wrote in

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Disease has always been linked to poor sanitary conditions and
inadequate nourishment.

Indeed. Improved sanitation made polio WORSE.
moo

Dog..

Man did you take your stupid pill today!!!! Maybe you took two by accident?!

Best wishes. Angela.

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(Angela) said:

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"Angela" <[email hidden]> wrote in

> Disease has always been linked to poor sanitary conditions and
> inadequate nourishment.

Indeed. Improved sanitation made polio WORSE.
moo

Dog..

Man did you take your stupid pill today!!!! Maybe you took two by accident?!

Improved sanitation DID make polio worse. This is because improved
sanitation resulted in individuals contracting polio at an older age.
Infants contracting polio did much better than children/adults
contracting it at an older age which explained paradoxically while
improved sanitation actually made polio a worse problem. In fact
before improved sanitation, polio was really not that big a problem
since it was usually contracted by young infants who had a much milder
illness.

When every water supply is thick with poliovirus,
mothers were constantly rechallenged ("immunized"😉
and therefore have sky-high antibody levels. Their
children get loaded up with those antibodies in the
womb and at the breast, and since water is one of
the first things besides milk that children ingest
they were exposed to the virus while still loaded
with maternal antibodies.

Improve the sanitation, and mothers' immunity
declines, as does the childrens' liklihood of
being exposed in infancy. Then, some summer, the
kid goes for a swim in the river and gets a mouthful.

Check the histories of prominent families in the
18th, 19th, and 20th centuries. You find a lot
of dead kids from smallpox and measles in the 18th
and 19th, but no polio. In the 20th, we not only
had periodic polio epidemics but even a president
crippled by it. As an adult.

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Angela said:

"Happy Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<> >

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Disease has always been linked to poor sanitary conditions and
inadequate nourishment.

Indeed. Improved sanitation made polio WORSE.

Dog..

Man did you take your stupid pill today!!!! Maybe you took two by

accident?!

I am stating a well proved fact. Do you disagree? The insults are
touching. But you are making yourself look like a fool when you respond
like this to things you clearly don't understand.
le moo

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"Happy Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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"Angela" <[email hidden]> wrote in

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Disease has always been linked to poor sanitary conditions and
inadequate nourishment.

Indeed. Improved sanitation made polio WORSE.
moo

Dog..

Man did you take your stupid pill today!!!! Maybe you took two by accident?!

Are you missing two?

[email hidden] (Angela) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Tsu Dho Nimh <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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(Angela) said:

As for the question "have I seen hemorrrhagic fever - no! but where I
live we have municipal sewer and water.

FYI, Ebola does NOT spread through contaminated water.

Tsu

FYI I did't say it was spread through contaminated water.

Of course you didn't. You implied it by raising th eissue of better
sanitation, etc. IOW, you are a bullcrapper.

D. C. Sessions said:

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Tsu Dho Nimh <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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[email hidden] (Angela) wrote:

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>As for the question "have I seen hemorrrhagic fever - no! but where I
>live we have municipal sewer and water.

FYI, Ebola does NOT spread through contaminated water.

FYI I did't say it was spread through contaminated water.

Not in so many words:
<[email hidden]>

Try the URL?

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Subject: Re: Ebola

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>FYI, Ebola does NOT spread through contaminated water.

FYI I did't say it was spread through contaminated water.

Since cholera has been SHOWN to survive in water MUCH longer than in water
which DOESN'T contain certain metals .. what would make you think Ebola ..
doesn't .. ?

There is not a whole lot of difference in the pathogen underlying Ebola and the
pathogen underlying Cholera.

Virus' .. ?

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(Angela) said:

"Happy Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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"Angela" <[email hidden]> wrote in

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Disease has always been linked to poor sanitary conditions and
inadequate nourishment.

Indeed. Improved sanitation made polio WORSE.
moo

Dog..

Man did you take your stupid pill today!!!! Maybe you took two by accident?!

Best wishes. Angela.

Yes he did, but they were the homeopathic kind and hence had no effect.
le bark

Well Happy Dog,

And you want to make such a stupid statement. Provide the proof, I'd
love to read it.

Best wishes. Angela.

"Happy Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Angela said:

"Happy Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<> >

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> Disease has always been linked to poor sanitary conditions and
> inadequate nourishment.

Indeed. Improved sanitation made polio WORSE.

Dog..

I am stating a well proved fact. Do you disagree? The insults are
touching. But you are making yourself look like a fool when you respond
like this to things you clearly don't understand.
le moo

Well DC, I want to see where you got this theory. Best wishes. Angela.

"D. C. Sessions" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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In said:

(Angela) said:

"Happy Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> "Angela" <[email hidden]> wrote in
>
> > Disease has always been linked to poor sanitary conditions and
> > inadequate nourishment.
>
> Indeed. Improved sanitation made polio WORSE.
> moo

Dog..

Man did you take your stupid pill today!!!! Maybe you took two by accident?!

Improved sanitation DID make polio worse. This is because improved
sanitation resulted in individuals contracting polio at an older age.
Infants contracting polio did much better than children/adults
contracting it at an older age which explained paradoxically while
improved sanitation actually made polio a worse problem. In fact
before improved sanitation, polio was really not that big a problem
since it was usually contracted by young infants who had a much milder
illness.

Quoted message said:

When every water supply is thick with poliovirus,
mothers were constantly rechallenged ("immunized"😉
and therefore have sky-high antibody levels. Their
children get loaded up with those antibodies in the
womb and at the breast, and since water is one of
the first things besides milk that children ingest
they were exposed to the virus while still loaded
with maternal antibodies.

Improve the sanitation, and mothers' immunity
declines, as does the childrens' liklihood of
being exposed in infancy. Then, some summer, the
kid goes for a swim in the river and gets a mouthful.

Check the histories of prominent families in the
18th, 19th, and 20th centuries. You find a lot
of dead kids from smallpox and measles in the 18th
and 19th, but no polio. In the 20th, we not only
had periodic polio epidemics but even a president
crippled by it. As an adult.

doe said:

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Subject: Re: Ebola

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Quoted message said:

>>FYI, Ebola does NOT spread through contaminated water.
>
>FYI I did't say it was spread through contaminated water.

Since cholera has been SHOWN to survive in water MUCH longer than in water
which DOESN'T contain certain metals .. what would make you think Ebola ..
doesn't .. ?

There is not a whole lot of difference in the pathogen underlying Ebola and the
pathogen underlying Cholera.

Virus' .. ?

Try learning about what you type before typing it. Ebola is a very
unique virus, with the only similar one being Marburg.

Prove that cholera surives in water longer as you claim.

Angela said:

Well DC, I want to see where you got this theory. Best wishes. Angela.

It is in the archives.

Why should anyone post proof to you, as you refuse to post any proof?

Usenet is a two-way street, except for yours, which is a dead end.

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In said:

On 10 Aug 2003 12:17:52 -0700, [email hidden] (Angela) wrote:

>"Happy Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
>
>>"Angela" <[email hidden]> wrote in
>>
>>
>>>Disease has always been linked to poor sanitary conditions and
>>>inadequate nourishment.
>>
>>Indeed. Improved sanitation made polio WORSE.
>>moo
>
>Dog..
>
>Man did you take your stupid pill today!!!! Maybe you took two by accident?!

Improved sanitation DID make polio worse. This is because improved
sanitation resulted in individuals contracting polio at an older age.
Infants contracting polio did much better than children/adults
contracting it at an older age which explained paradoxically while
improved sanitation actually made polio a worse problem. In fact
before improved sanitation, polio was really not that big a problem
since it was usually contracted by young infants who had a much milder
illness.

Quoted message said:

When every water supply is thick with poliovirus,
mothers were constantly rechallenged ("immunized"😉
and therefore have sky-high antibody levels. Their
children get loaded up with those antibodies in the
womb and at the breast, and since water is one of
the first things besides milk that children ingest
they were exposed to the virus while still loaded
with maternal antibodies.

Improve the sanitation, and mothers' immunity
declines, as does the childrens' liklihood of
being exposed in infancy. Then, some summer, the
kid goes for a swim in the river and gets a mouthful.

Check the histories of prominent families in the
18th, 19th, and 20th centuries. You find a lot
of dead kids from smallpox and measles in the 18th
and 19th, but no polio. In the 20th, we not only
had periodic polio epidemics but even a president
crippled by it. As an adult.

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Subject: Re: Ebola
From: Mark Probert

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Prove that cholera surives in water longer as you claim.

** V. cholerae O1 survived for 8 days in
plain water whereas in presence of Fe2O3 it survived up to 15 days.**

Indian J Med Res 2000 Apr;111:115-7

Effect of iron on the survival of Vibrio cholerae in water.

Joseph S, Bhat KG

Department of Microbiology, Kasturba Medical College, Mangalore.

Effect of iron in the form of ferric oxide (Fe2O3) on the survival of
V. cholerae O1 was studied. V. cholerae O1 survived for 8 days in
plain water whereas in presence of Fe2O3 it survived up to 15 days.
Presence of organic material in the water further promoted the
bacterial survival by at least 4 days. There was no difference between
the behaviour of El Tor and classical biotype. These results indicate
that the presence of iron in water could promote the survival of V.
cholerae O1 in water and may play a significant role in the
epidemiology of cholera.

PMID: 10935316, UI: 20391001
_________________________________________________________________

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(doe) said:

There is not a whole lot of difference in the pathogen underlying Ebola and the
pathogen underlying Cholera.

Except that one is a virus, and the other is a bacteria which ics
capable of reproducing itself without invading host cells.

Tsu

--
To doubt everything or to believe everything
are two equally convenient solutions; both
dispense with the necessity of reflection.
- Jules Henri Poincaré

(doe) said:

Effect of iron in the form of ferric oxide (Fe2O3) on the survival of
V. cholerae O1 was studied. V. cholerae O1 survived for 8 days in
plain water whereas in presence of Fe2O3 it survived up to 15 days.
Presence of organic material in the water further promoted the
bacterial survival by at least 4 days. There was no difference between
the behaviour of El Tor and classical biotype.

"El Tor" is a subspecies of the cholera bacteria. It has nothing
to do with the virus that causes Ebola fever.

Tsu

--
To doubt everything or to believe everything
are two equally convenient solutions; both
dispense with the necessity of reflection.
- Jules Henri Poincaré