Discovery in disarray.... ?

[bobke]

Yes, it seems that there is some evidence that they are in disarray.

According to Bruyneel, they are NOT in disarray, but disoriented. Lets get our facts straight!
from Dauphine website:
http://www.criterium.ledauphine.com/criterium06/actualite.php?id=94

Aussi, cet été sera particulier pour la formation américaine, orpheline de sa raison de pédaler. "Au début, j'ai senti les gars un peu désorientés."

 

[patch70]

This is really just for musette:

DSC pro tour victories for 2006:
Prologue Tour of Romandie
Prologue Giro d'Italia

That is all.

Does not compare very well to CSC, QSI, DVL, Phonak, Caisse d'Epargne-Illes Balears etc...

 

[mitosis]

According to Savoldelli, the Discovery team will start out without a defined leader. Four riders will at least initially, will have freedom of action. With Savoldelli himself there is Popovych, Hincapie,and Azevedo

I was being somewhat facetious with my comment but if what you say is true about 4 potential leaders having to sort it out between themselves then it doesn't sound like they have a great deal of direction with just 3 weeks to go until the most important race of the season.

 

[mitosis]

According to Bruyneel, they are NOT in disarray, but disoriented. Lets get our facts straight!
from Dauphine website:
http://www.criterium.ledauphine.com/criterium06/actualite.php?id=94

Aussi, cet été sera particulier pour la formation américaine, orpheline de sa raison de pédaler. "Au début, j'ai senti les gars un peu désorientés."

Sorry. Disoriented.

 

[musette]

This is really just for musette:

DSC pro tour victories for 2006:
Prologue Tour of Romandie
Prologue Giro d'Italia

That is all....

I've already made that observation, probably in another thread, in the context of whether DC should try harder for stage wins in the Dauphine.

But if you make that observation again, please at least make the right observation in calling Stage 1 of the Giro a stage, instead of the Prologue (which did not exist). There is also arguably the Blue Jersey of the Giro as a type of win.

I should also note that, in the context of TM winning the Team classification in the Tour, that was always being touted as a type of win by others on the board, and TM has won at least one teams classification (I would have to check exactly how many) in ProTour races.

And I am glad that your list of ProTour teams that are doing better did not, obviously, include TM. At least DC is doing better than TM so far this year.

 

[micron]

You know what really strikes me as sad? Disco supporters rubbishing T-Mobile for no better reason than that Armstrong and Bruyneel seem to have some sort of irrational hatred of them.

 

[musette]

Wait. If the comparison was being made by another poster of DC's results relative to other ProTour teams, why is TM not a legitimate comparison to make, especially since TM has one of the highest budgets in the peloton (if not the highest)? How is that "rubbishing" (incorrect grammar there) TM?

DC is in need of some ProTour wins, but TM is even more so in need of them (as well as non-ProTour wins). TM only has a single ProTour win (the Giro ITT), even if a ProTour teams competition win (which, although I haven't checked, I am not aware of TM's having). And TM has done worse outside of Europe, and also worse in non-ProTour wins quality/quantity, than DC.

DC 2006 wins/jerseys so far:

2 stages Tour of California, Hincapie

Team competition, Tirreno-Adriatico

Team competition, Vuelta a Castilla y Leon
1 stage Vuelta a Castilla y Leon, Popo
KOM, Vuelta a Castilla y Leon, Beltran

2 stage Three Days of De Panne, Hoste
Three Days of De Panne GC, Hoste

2 stages Tour de Georgia, Popo and Danielson
Team competition, Tour de Georgia
KOM, Tour de Georgia
Best Young Rider, Tour de Georgia

Tour de Romandie, Prologue, Savoldelli

1 stage, Giro, Savoldelli
Blue Jersey for the Combination Classification, Giro, Savoldelli

1 stage, Tour of Belgium, Devolder

 

[bobke]

You know what really strikes me as sad? Disco supporters rubbishing T-Mobile for no better reason than that Armstrong and Bruyneel seem to have some sort of irrational hatred of them.

no, its not irrational.
Its there bloody awful costumes, er team kits in PINK.
Give me a huge break but those things are awful.
Beyond that, no probs here

 

[DiabloScott]

ProTour Team Standings as of end of Giro

1 CSC Team CSC DEN 177
2 PHO Phonak Hearing Systems SUI 161
3 TMO T-Mobile Team GER 159
4 CEI Caisse d'Epargne-Illes Balears ESP 158
5 LAM Lampre-Fondital ITA 154
6 RAB Rabobank NED 149
7 LSW Liberty Seguros - Würth Team ESP 146
8 DSC Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team USA 141
9 DVL Davitamon-Lotto BEL 141
10 QSI Quick Step - Innergetic BEL 137
11 GST Gerolsteiner GER 120
12 EUS Euskaltel - Euskadi ESP 109
13 SDV Saunier Duval - Prodir ESP 108
14 MRM Team Milram ITA 108
15 COF Cofidis, le Credit Par Telephone FRA 107
16 C.A Credit Agricole FRA 102
17 LIQ Liquigas ITA 92
18 FDJ Française des Jeux FRA 85
19 BTL Bouygues Telecom FRA 82
20 A2R Ag2r Prevoyance

Disco is certainly not high on the placings, but not that far behind just looking at the raw points, and surprisingly ahead of QSI, GST, SDV, and MRM.

Must be a flaw in the scoring system.

 

[thebluetrain]

You know what really strikes me as sad? Disco supporters rubbishing T-Mobile for no better reason than that Armstrong and Bruyneel seem to have some sort of irrational hatred of them.

Give me a break, Did you just wake up out of a year long coma? Where have you been for all the LA/Bruyneel/Disco bashing by Tmobile/JU supporters that has gone on this forum for the last year? Does the rubbishing of LA/DC for no better reason other than their hatred of LA/DC strike you as sad? Paybacks a ***** isnt it?

 

[limerickman]

Give me a break, Did you just wake up out of a year long coma? Where have you been for all the LA/Bruyneel/Disco bashing by Tmobile/JU supporters that has gone on this forum for the last year? Does the rubbishing of LA/DC for no better reason other than their hatred of LA/DC strike you as sad? Paybacks a ***** isnt it?

Musette has "form" as regards posting insulting remarks about TMO and Ullrich for whatever reason.
Her behaviour manifested itself in 2003 when she joined an Ullrich website posing as a fan - but instead started posting tracts of USPS information and her trying to **** off JU too.

Of course she's neither a JU fan, or a cycling fan for that matter.
She has problems, as became evident on that JU site.
She has endeavoured to replicate the same behaviour here - behaviour that isn't tolerated here, I might add.

I think it would be fair to say that although others here who support Armstrong aren't as vitriolic in their remarks about TMO and JU.

 

[rejobako]

Its there bloody awful costumes, er team kits in PINK.
Give me a huge break but those things are awful.
Beyond that, no probs here

My wife has a RAZR T-Mobile cellphone, a promotional edition in T-Mobile colors. It's stylish, in a girly sort of way, but when I tease her about it she never gets tired of correcting me -- T-Mobile's logo is not actually pink -- it's magenta. The significance of this distinction escapes me, but apparently it makes all the difference.

 

[thebluetrain]

My wife has a RAZR T-Mobile cellphone, a promotional edition in T-Mobile colors. It's stylish, in a girly sort of way, but when I tease her about it she never gets tired of correcting me -- T-Mobile's logo is not actually pink -- it's magenta. The significance of this distinction escapes me, but apparently it makes all the difference.

I got my wife a Pink T-Mobile RAZR also. I had to buy it off of Ebay as they sold out quick when they first came out. Pretty cool phone she loves it.

 

[whiteboytrash]

I got my wife a Pink T-Mobile RAZR also. I had to buy it off of Ebay as they sold out quick when they first came out. Pretty cool phone she loves it.

Sure you didn't buy the pink one for yourself... ?

 

[thebluetrain]

Sure you didn't buy the pink one for yourself... ?

Yeah and a Pink Thong to go with it while I ride.

 

[whiteboytrash]

Yeah and a Pink Thong to go with it while I ride.

Ewwww ! Enough information !

 

[Dead Star]

ProTour Team Standings as of end of Giro

1 CSC Team CSC DEN 177
2 PHO Phonak Hearing Systems SUI 161
3 TMO T-Mobile Team GER 159
4 CEI Caisse d'Epargne-Illes Balears ESP 158
5 LAM Lampre-Fondital ITA 154
6 RAB Rabobank NED 149
7 LSW Liberty Seguros - Würth Team ESP 146
8 DSC Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team USA 141
9 DVL Davitamon-Lotto BEL 141
10 QSI Quick Step - Innergetic BEL 137
11 GST Gerolsteiner GER 120
12 EUS Euskaltel - Euskadi ESP 109
13 SDV Saunier Duval - Prodir ESP 108
14 MRM Team Milram ITA 108
15 COF Cofidis, le Credit Par Telephone FRA 107
16 C.A Credit Agricole FRA 102
17 LIQ Liquigas ITA 92
18 FDJ Française des Jeux FRA 85
19 BTL Bouygues Telecom FRA 82
20 A2R Ag2r Prevoyance

Disco is certainly not high on the placings, but not that far behind just looking at the raw points, and surprisingly ahead of QSI, GST, SDV, and MRM.

Must be a flaw in the scoring system.

you are correct .

 

[doctorSpoc]

...man looking at the Dalphine and Giro... it looks like as far as GTs go they stink pretty bad.. the were no where!! think... if they are smart anyway, they will or should be looking for stage victories, climbers jerseys etc on transition days at the TdF.. they haven't shown anyone on that team can be competative for GC... not even close... and even there it looks like they are going to be fighting with riders like Mayo and Moreau.. and by the looks of it so far wouldn't fair that well...

 

[limerickman]

..........I'm tellin' ya, Hoste's double second place at the RVV and P-R will be the highlight of the DC season this year.

I've been saying this since April and it's now June.

 

[musette]

I agree DC has been underperforming, relative to their own expectations. But TM's results so far are a lot worse. What does that say about TM if they still have their star rider and they have been doing worse so far?

Let's hope JU will at least get a stage win in the TdeSuisse, although that wouldn't be too great if it were coupled with flops in the mountain stages.