Coyotes

Zippy the Pinhead said:

the black rose said:

Not according to the Oxford English Dictionary.

Yep. Lots of coyotes at Oxford. Billions of 'em.

Daniel Webster may not have known the devil, but he knows
which pronunciation comes first:

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=coyote

--Blair
"Yippie-ki-yay, little dogies."

Blair P. Houghton wrote:
|| Rick Warner <[email hidden]> wrote:
||| On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 03:28:38 GMT, Blair P. Houghton <[email hidden]> wrote:
|||| What were you calling them in Wyoming and Arizona?
|||
||| Ki-yo-tees. I grew up in that region, lived in both states back
||| then (and Colorado, Utah, and NM) and predate the cartoon. It was
||| ki-yo-tees before Wily ever chased a roadrunner.
||
|| All of my family from Wyoming, South Dakota, Kansas, and
|| Minnesota says "ki-yoats." Includes quite a fair number
|| of people who still qualify for BIA benefits.
||

Would it amaze you two if both terms were used? Language changes to suit
those who use it, so just because a word was pronounced one way "first"
doesn't mean that is the only accepted way to pronounce it years later.

Blair P. Houghton said:

Zippy the Pinhead said:

the black rose said:

Not according to the Oxford English Dictionary.

Yep. Lots of coyotes at Oxford. Billions of 'em.

Daniel Webster may not have known the devil, but he knows
which pronunciation comes first:

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=coyote

Uh, Blair. Pronunciation keys are in alphabetical order where more than
one pronunciation is in use.

-km

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Uh, Blair. Pronunciation keys are in alphabetical order where more than
one pronunciation is in use.

Since the word is spelled the same no matter how it's pronounced, I think what
you meant is that while the most common pronunciation is listed first there is
no *preferred* pronunciation. IOW, any listed pronunciation is "correct". At
least that's what my dictionary says.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

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the black rose said:

Chalo said:

the black rose <[email hidden]> wrote:

>I have a farmer's reaction to all those bleeding hearts
>who think it's criminal to kill a bambi. Yeah, they're real cute

while

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>they eat everything in your garden, including the flowers. They'll

come

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>for miles to eat a strawberry patch. They'll decimate your children's
>vegetable patch.
>
>Rats with hooves.

Live in the city where _people_ belong,

That's the silliest statement I've seen all week.

Sorry Chalo, you just proved you're a troll. Unless you really believe
that -- in which case, you should hie yourself off to the library and
read a few years' worth of National Geographic magazine.

There are far too many people anymore for them not to live
preponderantly in cities. Cities are the most resource-efficient
means for large numbers of people to exist in today's world.

To "solve" the problems which we have created with our untenable
living patterns, by killing off our fellow beings, is simply
unethical. The burden of mitigating our collective mess is ours, and
that means almost everybody should live in dense cities until and
unless we come up with something better.

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do your cultivation at a
community garden, and you'll never be troubled by deer eating your
vittles.

That's another silly statement. Around here, the deer regard the
community garden as an all-you-can-eat buffet.

I specifically used the word "city", not urban sprawl. I define
"city" narrowly when I say it's the most resource-efficient living
paradigm, or that deer don't eat city gardens. Burbs don't count.

Wild herbivores will only raid yards on the perimeter of a
non-sprawling city. If that bothers you, you can always live inside
the city.

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There are too many deer. We tinkered with the ecosystem and killed off
too many of their predators. Here in the northeastern US they don't
have any effective predators; coyotes will run deer, but they prefer
smaller prey and don't kill enough to provide an effective brake on the
deer population. Wanna see what happens when we decide to protect the
cute little bambis?

http://depts.alverno.edu/nsmt/youngcc/research/kaibab/story1.html

That is a far better argument for the restoration of wolves and pumas
than it is an argument for the wholesale extermination of deer.

Addressing the problems that our selective slaughter of predators has
caused is not just a matter of exterminating even more species.
Persisting with a errant behavior tends to yield more of the same kind
of result.

Chalo Colina

Soylent Green ... is ... PEOPLE!

Roger Zoul said:

Blair P. Houghton wrote:
|| Rick Warner <[email hidden]> wrote:
||| On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 03:28:38 GMT, Blair P. Houghton <[email hidden]> wrote:
|||| What were you calling them in Wyoming and Arizona?
|||
||| Ki-yo-tees. I grew up in that region, lived in both states back
||| then (and Colorado, Utah, and NM) and predate the cartoon. It was
||| ki-yo-tees before Wily ever chased a roadrunner.
||
|| All of my family from Wyoming, South Dakota, Kansas, and
|| Minnesota says "ki-yoats." Includes quite a fair number
|| of people who still qualify for BIA benefits.
||

Would it amaze you two if both terms were used? Language changes to suit
those who use it, so just because a word was pronounced one way "first"
doesn't mean that is the only accepted way to pronounce it years later.

Then do what you really want to, and go "ooooh! kitty!" every
time you see a coyote run across the road.

--Blair
"We'll understand."

Hunrobe said:

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Uh, Blair. Pronunciation keys are in alphabetical order where more than
one pronunciation is in use.

Since the word is spelled the same no matter how it's pronounced, I think what
you meant is that while the most common pronunciation is listed first there is
no *preferred* pronunciation. IOW, any listed pronunciation is "correct". At
least that's what my dictionary says.

Use the first one. You'll look like less of a dude.

--Blair
"Or don't. Entertainment is
never unwelcome."

Blair P. Houghton said:

Fact is, any number of grade-schoolers will tell you that
coyotes run up to 50 lbs. I may be slightly overestimating
the size of the one I rode past four times one day a
couple of weeks ago while he was progressively reduced to
yoatburger, but then, I underestimated the thickness of
your head, so we'll call it even.

Thanks for showing that besides having your mind made up to the point
that you do not want to listen to facts but that you can resort to
name calling as a defensive mechanism. Sheesh.

- rick

Blair P. Houghton said:

Rick Warner said:

Blair P. Houghton said:

What were you calling them in Wyoming and Arizona?

Ki-yo-tees. I grew up in that region, lived in both states back then
(and Colorado, Utah, and NM) and predate the cartoon. It was
ki-yo-tees before Wily ever chased a roadrunner.

All of my family from Wyoming, South Dakota, Kansas, and
Minnesota says "ki-yoats." Includes quite a fair number
of people who still qualify for BIA benefits.

And what does your family being on the dole have to do with correct
pronunciation or even established local pronunciation?

- rick

For Diabloscott

Coyotes moving into San Francisco AP 10/17/04

SAN FRANCISCO Several coyotes have been spotted in San Francisco in recent weeks, most likely coming across the Golden Gate Bridge.

At least two of the 30-pound animals are living in the Presidio, while another is thought to live in the Bernal Heights neighborhood.

Residents around the Presidio have received letters about living in harmony with coyotes and warning them about leaving trash outside. They're also being cautioned to keep small animals indoors.

Park officials first thought the animals were coming from the south, but tests show they probably came down from the Marin Headlands to find a better place to hunt.

Coyotes tend to avoid people, but authorities still caution anyone who spots a coyote to keep from making eye contact, since it can spook the animal.

snapdragen said:

For Diabloscott

Coyotes moving into San Francisco AP 10/17/04

SAN FRANCISCO Several coyotes have been spotted in San Francisco in
recent weeks, most likely coming across the Golden Gate Bridge.

At least two of the 30-pound animals are living in the Presidio, while
another is thought to live in the Bernal Heights neighborhood.

Residents around the Presidio have received letters about living in
harmony with coyotes and warning them about leaving trash outside.
They're also being cautioned to keep small animals indoors.

Park officials first thought the animals were coming from the south,
but tests show they probably came down from the Marin Headlands to find
a better place to hunt.

Coyotes tend to avoid people, but authorities still caution anyone who
spots a coyote to keep from making eye contact, since it can spook the
animal.

Yeah, that's been on all the news programs yesterday and today.
Apparently they did DNA testing to show that the coyotes came from
Marin! I'm not sure what DNA samples they had to test - maybe some fur
or something, and I'm not sure why it's important either. I can't
imagine a coyote walking all the way across the GGB, there's a
"sidewalk" but it's generally gated shut at night and it's very close to
the traffic - a coyote would really have to WANT to cross the bridge. I
think it more likely that the coyotes got on some kind of truck or that
someone brought home some coyote puppies and turned them loose when they
grew up. They could certainly find plenty of rodents to live on in the
Presidio though.

--
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http://diabloscott.blogspot.com/

the black rose said:

Chalo said:

Quoted message said:

http://depts.alverno.edu/nsmt/youngcc/research/kaibab/story1.html

That is a far better argument for the restoration of wolves and pumas
than it is an argument for the wholesale extermination of deer.

That was my point, but you were too busy making assumptions.

Well, please accept my apology. I mistook your assertion for the
all-too-common one that suggests we can address the ecological
implications of exterminating wildlife by exterminating even more
wildlife.

I found it distressing to hear that from a contributor whom I consider
to be both reasonable and respectful. I am glad to find that my
perception was incorrect!

Chalo Colina

Blair P. Houghton said:

Curtis L. Russell said:

Blair P. Houghton said:

I don't think so. TV was invented before sound was added to movies.

Typical of your convolutions. Commercial beginnings of TV in the

Convolutions? I said "TV Was invented before sound was added to movies."

Nothing false about that.

--Blair
"You people just don't like freedom."

For the record television was invented, thought of that is, in 1914 by
Philo T. Farnsworth. By about 1924 he had a working prototype of his
electronic system. Others were working on diferent concepts and
eventually RCA stole the credit just because they had enough money
and big name scientists/engineers working on it. The first big name
in television was Milton Berle, who was on some experimental
broadcasts in the 30's, earning him the name of 'Mr. television'.
It didn't have a chance to go commercial until after the war, since
bombing Pearl Harbor kind of changed priorities in a hurry. I was
born in 1948 and remember having a television in the house when I was
about 3 years old so it has a history that may confuse people.
As far as coyotes goes, did Wile ever get weighed?
Bill Baka

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Rick Warner said:

Blair P. Houghton said:

Rick Warner said:

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 03:28:38 GMT, Blair P. Houghton <[email hidden]> wrote:
>What were you calling them in Wyoming and Arizona?

Ki-yo-tees. I grew up in that region, lived in both states back then
(and Colorado, Utah, and NM) and predate the cartoon. It was
ki-yo-tees before Wily ever chased a roadrunner.

All of my family from Wyoming, South Dakota, Kansas, and
Minnesota says "ki-yoats." Includes quite a fair number
of people who still qualify for BIA benefits.

And what does your family being on the dole have to do with correct
pronunciation or even established local pronunciation?

And what does inserting a falsehood into your "argument" have
to do with making one?

--Blair
"Keep insulting people. You'll get
your face pushed in yet."

Bill Baka said:

As far as coyotes goes, did Wile ever get weighed?

I dunno, but given his size relative to a road-runner, and
his reaction to gravity, he might be one of those "lots of
fur, not much substance" jobs that was mentioned earlier.

--Blair
"Sand musta been friable in those
parts, too..."

Rick Warner said:

Blair P. Houghton said:

Fact is, any number of grade-schoolers will tell you that
coyotes run up to 50 lbs. I may be slightly overestimating
the size of the one I rode past four times one day a
couple of weeks ago while he was progressively reduced to
yoatburger, but then, I underestimated the thickness of
your head, so we'll call it even.

Thanks for showing that besides having your mind made up to the point
that you do not want to listen to facts but that you can resort to
name calling as a defensive mechanism. Sheesh.

I do believe I was not the first person to begin throwing the
ad hominem around in this thread, you lying sack of javelina [censored].

--Blair
"Grow something worth kicking."