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  1. Hunrobe said:

    You're absolutely correct, coydogs do tend to be bigger and less fearful of
    humans. In your 10 years as a sheep farmer though, did you ever see a coyote or
    coydog act in the overly aggressive way the story claimed? You know, running
    around and weaving through motor vehicle traffic to attack cyclists?

    Nope -- but I wasn't addressing the veracity of the story.

    Pretty far-fetched, I must admit.

    My Great Pyrenees could take on anything. She was amazing. She'd hear
    something she didn't like and charge straight for it, snarling very
    impressively (I certainly wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of
    that). The sheep were totally unconcerned. "Oh, the dog is coming, I'd
    best step aside." Hehe.

    -km

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  2. "Chalo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Live in the city where _people_ belong, do your cultivation at a
    community garden, and you'll never be troubled by deer eating your
    vittles.

    There are a lot of deer where I'm at (the older suburbs of Chicago). They
    are fond of landscaping.
    I frequently see them within the city limits, in the forested areas.

    In large enough numbers, they are a nuisance.
    Of course, the same can be said of any species -- including [censored] sapiens.

  3. "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Hmm....so is it better to have too many sheep or too much kudzu? Oh, use


    the

    Quoted message said:

    sheep to control the kudzu and the coytotes to control the sheep....and


    what

    Quoted message said:

    do we do to control the coytotes when they mate with dogs and become
    agressive as we ride by?


    Jackelopes?
    http://images.google.com/images?q=jackelope&hl=en

  4. Rick Warner said:

    And if you do not want to believe me on the size of coyotes in the
    Sonoran desert, here is from the web page of ASDM (Arizona Sonora
    Desert Museum for those outside the area):

    "Coyote: A coyote resembles a medium-sized dog with a long, bushy
    black-tipped tail, big ears, and a pointy face. The fur color varies
    from grayish to light brown, with a buffy or white underbelly. You’ll
    never see a fat coyote in the wild. Wiry and with long, slender legs
    and small feet, a desert coyote usually weighs only 15 to 25 pounds.
    The tracks are much smaller than those of a domestic dog of the same
    size."

    Like I told you clearly. There are about a billion rabbits around
    here. These coyotes are well fed.

    --Blair
    "'Usually' might clue you."

  5. Rick Warner said:
    Blair P. Houghton said:

    I'd say the average adult would run about 40 lbs and the
    bigger ones are about 60.

    That is your perception, but it is incorrect. I worked, as a field
    biologist, in the Sonoran desert for years. Trapped many coyotes,
    weighed many coyotes, from the Mogollon rim down to the border with
    Mexico. 25 pounds is a big coyote in that area. There is a lot of
    fur, but not much substance.

    I've seen them cut in half on the highway. I know that
    my own dog weighs about 35 lbs. He's about half the size
    of these.

    Quoted message said:

    mating or when the young are being taught the ropes by mom. They do
    not form regular packs like some of their cousins, e.g., gray wolves

    They regularly hunt in packs on the golf course behind
    my back yard. But how many in the pack I can not say.
    While you never hear a solitary coyote, two can sound
    like ten.

    --Blair
    "Road-runners will kill and eat you."

  6. Curtis L. Russell said:
    Blair P. Houghton said:

    It's "Ko-yoats", btw.

    "Ky-yo-tees" is a TV thing.

    We were calling them ky-yo-tees 50 years ago in Texas and Kansas. You

    What were you calling them in Wyoming and Arizona?

    Quoted message said:

    can find the pronounciation in movies that predate TV by decades.

    I don't think so. TV was invented before sound was added to movies.

    Quoted message said:

    I think I can guess how you pronounce rodeo.

    Rodeo.

    --Blair
    "Kansas..."

  7. the black rose said:


    Rats with hooves.

    We used to get javelinas (desert boars), but I don't
    think they tolerate the suburbanization as well as the
    coyotes do.

    --Blair
    "Maybe they just don't like SUVs."

  8. David Reuteler said:
    Roger Zoul said:

    David Reuteler wrote:
    || Roger Zoul <[email hidden]> wrote:
    ||| Hmm....so is it better to have too many sheep or too much kudzu?
    ||| Oh, use the sheep to control the kudzu and the coytotes to control
    ||| the sheep....and what do we do to control the coytotes when they
    ||| mate with dogs and become agressive as we ride by? j/k
    ||
    || ohhh, wait! i can answer that idaho-style!
    ||
    || http://www.dayofdefeat.com/manual_images/image016.jpg

    That might work, less they run in large packs 🙂

    http://www.moviebadgirls.com/gulfcoastarmoryimage/shawn-ak47.jpg

    http://www.sammcclung.com/explodedhead.html

    --Blair
    "Don't everyone applaud at once."

  9. Zippy the Pinhead said:
    micky said:

    i love the anthropomorphism

    Yeah, but the coyotes hate it.

    You have no idea how many heads that went over.

    --Blair
    "Why I don't wear a helmet."

  10. Weisse Luft said:

    Nature is a bloodbath. And its far more scientific to hunt the
    animals than to try and reclaim equilibria by introducing higher
    predators or disease/parasites. Its high time for prescribed
    harvesting of coyotes. And if that bothers you, go ahead and try
    giving all the [censored] "doggie Depo Provera".

    There are no "wild" animals left.

    --Blair
    "So let's drill *everywhere*."

  11. I have coyotes cutting through my yard, by my window in the morning,
    they seem harmless enough, kinda creepy hearing the howl at night.
    They are definately much less of a threat than 'domesticated' dogs,
    for every coyote I see, i see 1000 barking, aggressive dogs. Coyotes
    are very polite and unobtrusive.

  12. Blair P. Houghton said:
    Rick Warner said:

    And if you do not want to believe me on the size of coyotes in the
    Sonoran desert, here is from the web page of ASDM (Arizona Sonora
    Desert Museum for those outside the area):

    "Coyote: A coyote resembles a medium-sized dog with a long, bushy
    black-tipped tail, big ears, and a pointy face. The fur color varies
    from grayish to light brown, with a buffy or white underbelly. You’ll
    never see a fat coyote in the wild. Wiry and with long, slender legs
    and small feet, a desert coyote usually weighs only 15 to 25 pounds.
    The tracks are much smaller than those of a domestic dog of the same
    size."

    Like I told you clearly. There are about a billion rabbits around
    here. These coyotes are well fed.

    Boy, you do not like facts do you. ASDM traps and weights coyotes in
    that area regularly, I used to do it regularly. At the very, very,
    very top end, a coyote in that area will run 30 pounds or so
    regardless of how well fed it is, most adults are in the 20 pound
    range. Those are *facts*, based on actual weights using actual
    scales, not someone's supposition from seeing animals from a distance.
    Facts is fact. Live with it.

    - rick

  13. Blair P. Houghton said:
    Curtis L. Russell said:
    Blair P. Houghton said:

    It's "Ko-yoats", btw.

    "Ky-yo-tees" is a TV thing.

    We were calling them ky-yo-tees 50 years ago in Texas and Kansas. You

    What were you calling them in Wyoming and Arizona?

    Ki-yo-tees. I grew up in that region, lived in both states back then
    (and Colorado, Utah, and NM) and predate the cartoon. It was
    ki-yo-tees before Wily ever chased a roadrunner.

    - rick

  14. Chalo said:
    the black rose said:

    I have a farmer's reaction to all those bleeding hearts
    who think it's criminal to kill a bambi. Yeah, they're real cute while
    they eat everything in your garden, including the flowers. They'll come
    for miles to eat a strawberry patch. They'll decimate your children's
    vegetable patch.

    Rats with hooves.

    Live in the city where _people_ belong,

    That's the silliest statement I've seen all week.

    Sorry Chalo, you just proved you're a troll. Unless you really believe
    that -- in which case, you should hie yourself off to the library and
    read a few years' worth of National Geographic magazine.

    Quoted message said:

    do your cultivation at a
    community garden, and you'll never be troubled by deer eating your
    vittles.

    That's another silly statement. Around here, the deer regard the
    community garden as an all-you-can-eat buffet.

    Quoted message said:

    Believing that wild critters don't have a right to exist out in the
    hinterlands is second-guessing their Creator, don't you think?

    I didn't say that.

    There are too many deer. We tinkered with the ecosystem and killed off
    too many of their predators. Here in the northeastern US they don't
    have any effective predators; coyotes will run deer, but they prefer
    smaller prey and don't kill enough to provide an effective brake on the
    deer population. Wanna see what happens when we decide to protect the
    cute little bambis?

    http://depts.alverno.edu/nsmt/youngcc/research/kaibab/story1.html

    -km

    --
    Only cowards fight kids -- unidentified Moscow protester

    http://community.webshots.com/user/blackrosequilts
    proud to be owned by a yorkie

  15. Blair P. Houghton said:

    I don't think so. TV was invented before sound was added to movies.

    Typical of your convolutions. Commercial beginnings of TV in the
    consumer sense did not predate talkies. The very beginning of consumer
    TV is generally considered to be 1939, the Worlds Fair, with real (and
    very moderate) consumer TV to be 6-7 years later - after WWII. Talkies
    began in 1927 and hit their stride very quickly.

    TV in the sense of your original comments, such that a pronunciation
    of any kind could be a 'TV thing', came decades after talkies were
    common, and well after the first group of Western classics. FWIW, the
    pronunciation you so deride was used by the some of the stars that
    were originally real cowhands. And, yes, from New Mexico, Arizona, and
    Wyoming.

    BTW and FWIW, my brother, who has probably lived just outside Caspar
    for more years than you appear to have been alive, also pronounces it
    ki-yo'-te, which also FWIW happens to be much closer to the original
    Aztec pronunciation. As he was/is an ardent hunter and spent a
    considerable time with the Wyoming hunting crowd, something tells me
    he's a bit more of an authority on how Wyoming ranchers and outdoors
    people pronounce the word.

    And it is the preferred dictionary pronunciation. Look it up.

    Maybe its only the 60-70 pound coyotes that are pronounced ki-yotes'.
    Or is it co-yotes? Or coy-otes perhaps? Haven't seen or heard of them
    that size before, so you could be right. (For some reason, all of your
    comments in this area remind me of the 'yellow dog' joke, that ends
    with 'Before I cut off his tail and painted him yellow, I called him
    an alligator.'😉

    Well, enough arguing with 12 year olds. No one else seems to be taking
    you very serious anyway. I guess we should all thank you for your
    inadvertent and unintended humor.

    Curtis L. Russell
    Odenton, MD (USA)
    Just someone on two wheels...

  16. (Rush) said:

    Coyotes
    are very polite and unobtrusive.

    Country folk - they was raised right.

    Curtis L. Russell
    Odenton, MD (USA)
    Just someone on two wheels...

  17. Rick Warner said:
    Blair P. Houghton said:
    Rick Warner said:

    And if you do not want to believe me on the size of coyotes in the
    Sonoran desert, here is from the web page of ASDM (Arizona Sonora
    Desert Museum for those outside the area):

    "Coyote: A coyote resembles a medium-sized dog with a long, bushy
    black-tipped tail, big ears, and a pointy face. The fur color varies

    Quoted message said:

    from grayish to light brown, with a buffy or white underbelly. You’ll

    Quoted message said:

    never see a fat coyote in the wild. Wiry and with long, slender legs
    and small feet, a desert coyote usually weighs only 15 to 25 pounds.
    The tracks are much smaller than those of a domestic dog of the same
    size."

    Like I told you clearly. There are about a billion rabbits around
    here. These coyotes are well fed.

    Boy, you do not like facts do you. ASDM traps and weights coyotes in
    that area regularly, I used to do it regularly. At the very, very,
    very top end, a coyote in that area will run 30 pounds or so
    regardless of how well fed it is, most adults are in the 20 pound
    range. Those are *facts*, based on actual weights using actual
    scales, not someone's supposition from seeing animals from a distance.
    Facts is fact. Live with it.

    - rick

    Clearly the 80-pound big boys are too clever to be trapped.

    --
    My Bike Blog:
    http://diabloscott.blogspot.com/

  18. Curtis L. Russell said:
    (Rush) said:

    Coyotes
    are very polite and unobtrusive.

    Country folk - they was raised right.

    Unfortunately, a lotta country dogs wasn't.

    Matt O.

  19. Rick Warner said:
    Blair P. Houghton said:
    Rick Warner said:

    And if you do not want to believe me on the size of coyotes in the
    Sonoran desert, here is from the web page of ASDM (Arizona Sonora
    Desert Museum for those outside the area):

    "Coyote: A coyote resembles a medium-sized dog with a long, bushy
    black-tipped tail, big ears, and a pointy face. The fur color varies

    Quoted message said:

    from grayish to light brown, with a buffy or white underbelly. You’ll

    Quoted message said:

    never see a fat coyote in the wild. Wiry and with long, slender legs
    and small feet, a desert coyote usually weighs only 15 to 25 pounds.
    The tracks are much smaller than those of a domestic dog of the same
    size."

    Like I told you clearly. There are about a billion rabbits around
    here. These coyotes are well fed.

    Boy, you do not like facts do you. ASDM traps and weights coyotes in
    that area regularly, I used to do it regularly. At the very, very,
    very top end, a coyote in that area will run 30 pounds or so
    regardless of how well fed it is, most adults are in the 20 pound
    range. Those are *facts*, based on actual weights using actual
    scales, not someone's supposition from seeing animals from a distance.
    Facts is fact. Live with it.

    You're arguing with someone who thinks a Google search represents
    statistical truth -- you might as well give up now.

    -km

    --
    Only cowards fight kids -- unidentified Moscow protester

    http://community.webshots.com/user/blackrosequilts
    proud to be owned by a yorkie

  20. Blair P. Houghton said:
    Quoted message said:

    can find the pronounciation in movies that predate TV by decades.

    I don't think so. TV was invented before sound was added to movies.

    *snort* *snort* *splat*

    Dang it, now I have to wipe off my monitor.

    -km

    --
    Only cowards fight kids -- unidentified Moscow protester

    http://community.webshots.com/user/blackrosequilts
    proud to be owned by a yorkie

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