ceramic range tops

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Becca said:

EZ said:

and if we do, will probably replace the cooktop as well. My concerns
about the ceramic surface is, can you slide cookware over it for
years on end and still have it looking nice? I seldom use cast iron,
but I'm betting if you do, you shouldn't be dragging it around on the
glass.

So far, I have not had a problem sliding my cast iron pans on mine, and
this is my 2nd one. I moved out of state, that is how I lost my first
one. It is not for everybody, but I enjoy it a lot.

Becca

Ditto. (on the cast iron pan issue).
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Peter A said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Diesel engines are a lot more durable than gas engines, this is why they
are common in trucking and marine applications. For a truck that puts on
100k miles a year, the lower maintenance costs of diesel more than
outweigh the higher initial cost. Also, fuel costs are lower with
diesel, even though it costs somewhat more per gallon than gas these
days. MPG with diesel is 20-40% better than with gas.

Ooh, I have a friend that is a truck driver. He'd disagree with all of
the above! The overhead is astronomical and the mileage per gallon sux.

Even over a V-8 pickup. Granted, it has a higher payload but he's glad
the trucking company pays for diesel and upkeep!

I'd love to see stats on this.

Then look them up. Or, you can continue to believe your friend who
apparently does not know a damn thing about diesel engines. Or wait,
maybe your friend is right - it's the dumb executives and engineers at
trucking and marine companies worldwide who just love to pay more for
diesel engines because they get worse mileage and are less reliable.
Yeah, that must be it.

Diesel USED to be cheaper than gas and was for many years...
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Dee Dee said:

"Becca" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Omelet said:

I grew up with a gas stove and I do agree that they have their advantages
when it comes to heat control, but I have this paranoia about a flammable
liquid being pumped into my home. I specified all electric when I was
looking for a house. ;-)

But that is a personal thing... I have nothing against gas stoves, I just
don't want one.

Since you live in Texas, you are aware that many of your neighbors prefer
to use gas, because of the cost. My water heater is gas, so is my clothes
dryer, my central heat is also gas. My husband was born in Brooklyn, but
raised in Long Island. Like you, he is not comfortable with gas, at all.

Having a gas line, IMO, is similar to having a water line. There is not a
problem, unless something goes wrong. BTW, we have a couple of carbon
monoxide detectors, just in case. Thanks for mentioning that.

Becca

I, too, Om, have a problem with gas (in our case propane). We recently have
changed to all electric, with the exception in the winter when it falls
below zero, it will turn to gas. (Waiting for the boom!)
But we still use the carbon monoxide detectors for our safety. Many
insurance companies will lower the rates if you have them.
Dee Dee

Interestingly enough, my electric costs for heating in the winter are
lower than my AC/Cooling bills in the summer.
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George said:

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There is a reason groceries are getting higher.

Corn has increased in price because of the poorly plan rush to produce
ethanol. Consider all of the uses for corn.

I'm talking about all the other fresh produce. Not corn products.
I don't buy those. (low carb lifestyle).
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Quoted message said:

Ophelia said:

Peter A said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...
Per capita energy consumption, kg of oil equivalent, year 2003

US: 7794
Spain 3228
United Kingdom 3918
Germany 4203
France 4518
Italy 3127
Belgium 5703
Japan 4040
Europe as a whole 3698

Case closed.

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Besides the raw data he presents, you have to factor in things like
physical
size of the nation, transportation modes, population, per capita
income/output, climate etc...

Frex, air con is widely used in places like Texas, the US South, etc.
Many
European locales don't have much of a need for air con ('though this is
changing).

Air conditioning is certainly used in Italy, but by law it is run at 7°C
under the outside temperature. The inverse of this is that where A/C isn't
so widely needed, one often needs more heat, or as you go north, more
lighting because of severely shortened days.

We also don't use clothes dryers so much, preferring for economic and
aesthetic reasons to hang clothes in the sun to dry.

Quoted message said:

We don't use more energy because one day we just woke up and said, "Hey,
let's waste energy!". We use the energy because in our particular
situation we *need* it...we aren't the biggest economy in the world for
nothing, you know.

IMO, a lot of the consumption is from a sense of entitlement. Carelessness
gradually disappears as prices go up. My energy bills here are more than
double what they were in the US, and I am conservative with energy. When
the grid is loaded, shall I use a dryer, leave lights on, run a bunch of
background appliances I don't have to have and create a shortage for the
hospital? According to me, no. The same for potable water. If I am caught
using potable water for my garden or washing my car, there is a euro 1000
fine.
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Omelet said:

Quoted message said:

Diesel USED to be cheaper than gas and was for many years...

It was here too but now it is about the same. The big difference though is
that we get twice the mpg!

Omelet said:

Quoted message said:

Since you live in Texas, you are aware that many of your neighbors
prefer to use gas, because of the cost.

Once upon a time, yes. Many are now switching to electric...

due to the cost.

Those old tanks make great smoker/grills. <g>

Sometimes I can even confuse myself.<g> I was talking about natural
gas, not propane.

BTW, a friend of mine in high school used propane in her car, the tank
was in her trunk. You could use gas or propane, there was a toggle
switch under the dashboard. I thought that was unusual, but her dad
owned the butane/propane company.

Becca

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Giusi said:

The same for potable water. If I am caught
using potable water for my garden or washing my car, there is a euro 1000
fine.

Here you can get fined for NOT using Potable water on the garden. ;-)
They worry about water contaminants getting into the underground
aquifers. That is where most of our water comes from.

I'd love to legally be able to harvest my "gray water" for the gardens
but that takes permits.
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Quoted message said:

Omelet said:

Quoted message said:

Diesel USED to be cheaper than gas and was for many years...

It was here too but now it is about the same. The big difference though is
that we get twice the mpg!

My small pickup gets around 20 to 23 mpg. That's actually not very good,
but better than a lot of those SUV's out there. :-(

If I could afford car payments right now, I'd trade it in for a Hyrbrid.
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Omelet said:

I'm talking about all the other fresh produce. Not corn products.
I don't buy those. (low carb lifestyle).

You are "Living La-Vita Low Carb!" Maybe I should do that. I want to
lose 20 lbs, but I really like corn. lol

Becca

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:06:51 -0500, Omelet <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

George said:

Quoted message said:

There is a reason groceries are getting higher.

Corn has increased in price because of the poorly plan rush to produce
ethanol. Consider all of the uses for corn.

I'm talking about all the other fresh produce. Not corn products.
I don't buy those. (low carb lifestyle).

If you eat meat/poultry, drink dairy, eat eggs, you get plenty of
corn. Read _The Omnivore's Dilemma_, you'll never look at corn the
same way again! ;-p

TammyM

Nathalie Chiva said:

OK, I *am* happy to know things are changing. Go Gore!

Quoted message said:

Nathalie in Switzerland

If only he were running.... <sigh>

TammyM, waving to Nathalie

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Quoted message said:

If you eat meat/poultry, drink dairy, eat eggs, you get plenty of
corn. Read _The Omnivore's Dilemma_, you'll never look at corn the
same way again! ;-p

TammyM

Great recommendation, Tammy.
Dee Dee

In article <[email hidden]>,

Becca said:

Omelet said:

Quoted message said:

Since you live in Texas, you are aware that many of your neighbors
prefer to use gas, because of the cost.

Once upon a time, yes. Many are now switching to electric...

due to the cost.

Those old tanks make great smoker/grills. <g>

Sometimes I can even confuse myself.<g> I was talking about natural
gas, not propane.

Ah.
Around here ('burbs), there is no piping. Everyone that uses gas has
propane tanks outside.

Quoted message said:

BTW, a friend of mine in high school used propane in her car, the tank
was in her trunk. You could use gas or propane, there was a toggle
switch under the dashboard. I thought that was unusual, but her dad
owned the butane/propane company.

Becca

I'm not sure what the current price per gallon of Propane is around here
as I don't purchase it. I'm betting it's cheaper than gas tho'?

Hm... <makes several phone calls> Looks like only homes in town use
natural gas lines. Everyone else uses large 300 to 400 gallon propane
tanks with propane appliances. That is $2.25 per gallon.

Natural gas charges different rates based on usage. Average appears to
be (per cubic ft.) Around $20.00 per month. But, that is only useful
for heating and cooking.

It would not help me with my primary usage. Cooling and refrigeration.

But, now I'm wondering if I can convert my truck over to Propane. <G>
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Becca said:

Omelet said:

I'm talking about all the other fresh produce. Not corn products.
I don't buy those. (low carb lifestyle).

You are "Living La-Vita Low Carb!" Maybe I should do that. I want to
lose 20 lbs, but I really like corn. lol

Becca

Lo Carb does not mean NO carb. :-)
It's just restricted.

It's like any other diet tho', it's not always easy to stick with.
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(TammyM) said:

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:06:51 -0500, Omelet <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

George said:

> There is a reason groceries are getting higher.

Corn has increased in price because of the poorly plan rush to produce
ethanol. Consider all of the uses for corn.

I'm talking about all the other fresh produce. Not corn products.
I don't buy those. (low carb lifestyle).

If you eat meat/poultry, drink dairy, eat eggs, you get plenty of
corn. Read _The Omnivore's Dilemma_, you'll never look at corn the
same way again! ;-p

TammyM

<lol> There is that!
The increase in price of corn will trickle down into the meat/dairy
products. The meat you eat often has a primary diet of corn.
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:03:51 -0500, Omelet <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Becca said:

EZ said:

and if we do, will probably replace the cooktop as well. My concerns
about the ceramic surface is, can you slide cookware over it for
years on end and still have it looking nice? I seldom use cast iron,
but I'm betting if you do, you shouldn't be dragging it around on the
glass.

So far, I have not had a problem sliding my cast iron pans on mine, and
this is my 2nd one. I moved out of state, that is how I lost my first
one. It is not for everybody, but I enjoy it a lot.

Becca

Ditto. (on the cast iron pan issue).

Thirded (I have induction, but it *is* a ceramic cooktop)

Nathalie in Switzerland

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:58:16 -0500, Omelet <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Nathalie Chiva said:

Quoted message said:

Has not seemed to make a significant increase in the Utility bill since
we installed it....

Well, unless you had a *newer* fridge before you wouldn't would you?

Nathalie in Switzerland

Um, the 'frige may be that old luv, but the installation is not. ;-)

I got it used.

But thanks for the brilliant insight...

Well, here's something I read in a consumer's magazine today: If your
fridge is over 10 yo and it needs a repair, seriously consider
changing it, the decrease in electricity consumption will make it
worth, and if your fridge is over 15 yo (even if it's still working),
ditto.

Nathalie in Switzerland
Nathalie in Switzerland

Ophelia said:

Sheldon said:

But I have to give yoose Euros extra points in on area, us wasteful
Americans sure use a heckova lot more soap and hot water bathing than
yoose. Yeah, yeah, yeah... I know, yoose save on TP too. Most of
yoose don't even have indoor plumbing, your lavatory is a hole in the
floor (with two tiles showing yoose dummies how to set yer feet to
squat), an indoor outhouse is what most of yoose use... and hafta wipe
yer crotch with crepe paper, streeeetch it out and use both sides!

I don't know where you have been but it wasn't UK.

We shower twice a day and not only do we have lavatories but we have a
bidet too!!

I notice when you sneer at us you use very low languages. Perhaps this is
what defines you?

Naw, Sheldon just likes to stir some of the wimmin - folk here up...

;-p

You should get him going on Italians...!!!

:-)

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Greg

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Nathalie Chiva said:

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:58:16 -0500, Omelet <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Nathalie Chiva said:

>Has not seemed to make a significant increase in the Utility bill since
>we installed it....

Well, unless you had a *newer* fridge before you wouldn't would you?

Nathalie in Switzerland

Um, the 'frige may be that old luv, but the installation is not. ;-)

I got it used.

But thanks for the brilliant insight...

Well, here's something I read in a consumer's magazine today: If your
fridge is over 10 yo and it needs a repair, seriously consider
changing it, the decrease in electricity consumption will make it
worth, and if your fridge is over 15 yo (even if it's still working),
ditto.

Nathalie in Switzerland
Nathalie in Switzerland

A new 40 cubic ft. Hobart is over $3000.00.
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