ceramic range tops

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Sheldon said:

But I have to give yoose Euros extra points in on area, us wasteful
Americans sure use a heckova lot more soap and hot water bathing than
yoose. Yeah, yeah, yeah... I know, yoose save on TP too. Most of
yoose don't even have indoor plumbing, your lavatory is a hole in the
floor (with two tiles showing yoose dummies how to set yer feet to
squat), an indoor outhouse is what most of yoose use... and hafta wipe
yer crotch with crepe paper, streeeetch it out and use both sides!

I don't know where you have been but it wasn't UK.

We shower twice a day and not only do we have lavatories but we have a
bidet too!!

I notice when you sneer at us you use very low languages. Perhaps this is
what defines you?

"sheldoon" is a low class, illiterate, ignorant baboon. He is not
representative of Americans in general or people on this newsgroup.

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On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 10:49:47 -0400, "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"Nathalie Chiva" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:23:16 -0400, "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

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Quoted message said:

"Dee Dee" <[email hidden]> wrote

> "Nathalie Chiva" <[email hidden]> wrote

>> Sure, but isn't it a huge electricity consumer? Energy consumption is
>> about the most significant difference between old refrigerators and
>> new ones - new ones use a fraction of what the old ones use. And I
>> know that in the US it's not deemed important, but that's a shame :-(.

> Here in the US, there are notices on every product that I've purchased
> about the energy consumption. It's always been a consideration to me.

I don't know where Nathalie got that idea.

From the amount of oil that US cars use compared to Europeans cars,
from the widespread use of air conditioning (so cold that you often
have to wear a jacket even if it's scalding hot outside...), even when
it's not necessary, and all that sort of thing.

Okay, even though I've driven a European car or two and they
use as much oil as any of my other cars, maybe you mean those
tiny cars. Regardless, I understand what you're saying, but I think
maybe you said this before? that our appliances are energy hogs.
That the US doesn't care about energy efficient appliances, and that's
not true.

OK, but "tiny" cars are pretty much half of all the cars here... and I
know that in the US some states are very forward and promote
economizing energy (California comes to mind), but you also have Bush
and his promises that petrol prices will never go up (and they're half
what we pay here...)

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Yes, I've been in places where the air conditioning is freezing cold,
but most of the time it's not that cold. Certainly not in my house.

But you do have air conditioning in your house. I've been to Spain and
to Italy (where it can be really hot in summer, Swizterland doesn't
count ;-)) and there's no air conditioning in flats and private
houses.

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I hope I didn't offend you, if I did I'm sorry, I didn't mean to.

Oh no you didn't, I love debating :-)

Nathalie in Switzerland

On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:42:26 -0400, "Dee Dee" <[email hidden]>

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"Dee Dee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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From the amount of oil that US cars use compared to Europeans cars,
from the widespread use of air conditioning (so cold that you often
have to wear a jacket even if it's scalding hot outside...), even when
it's not necessary, and all that sort of thing.

Nathalie in Switzerland

Nathalie you might like to know that perhaps things changed a wee bit this
summer. I usually carry a jacket just to go inside to a restaurant, but
this year, it has been carried in vain.

The "average" people here haven't the money to pay for extra heat, extra
air-conditioning and all those wasteful things you think is happening.

Most people here are average.
Dee Dee

I made a mistake, showing my ignorance; this sentence is entirely wrong:
"Most' people here are average." That could not be the case. Average is
average; average can never represent 'most.'
Well, you know what I mean - hopefully.;-)

Dee Dee

:-)
OK, I *am* happy to know things are changing. Go Gore!

Nathalie in Switzerland

On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:42:26 -0400, "Dee Dee" <[email hidden]>

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"Dee Dee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Nathalie Chiva" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

From the amount of oil that US cars use compared to Europeans cars,
from the widespread use of air conditioning (so cold that you often
have to wear a jacket even if it's scalding hot outside...), even when
it's not necessary, and all that sort of thing.

Nathalie in Switzerland

Nathalie you might like to know that perhaps things changed a wee bit this
summer. I usually carry a jacket just to go inside to a restaurant, but
this year, it has been carried in vain.

The "average" people here haven't the money to pay for extra heat, extra
air-conditioning and all those wasteful things you think is happening.

Most people here are average.
Dee Dee

I made a mistake, showing my ignorance; this sentence is entirely wrong:
"Most' people here are average." That could not be the case. Average is
average; average can never represent 'most.'
Well, you know what I mean - hopefully.;-)

Dee Dee

:-)
OK, I *am* happy to know things are changing. Go Gore!

Nathalie in Switzerland

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:47:55 -0500, Omelet <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Nathalie Chiva said:

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:03:07 -0500, Omelet <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Sheldon <[email hidden]> wrote:

> And the main reason your mom's machine lasted 25 years is because even
> though they didn't have all the high tech electronics back then
> everything else was built to last...

I can't argue with that point. ;-)
My Hobart 'frige is 31 years old now. Granted, I have had to replace the
compressor (2 years ago) but our big GE chest freezer is also that old
and has never (knocks on wood!) needed any repair at all.

Sure, but isn't it a huge electricity consumer? Energy consumption is
about the most significant difference between old refrigerators and
new ones - new ones use a fraction of what the old ones use. And I
know that in the US it's not deemed important, but that's a shame :-(.

Nathalie in Switzerland

Has not seemed to make a significant increase in the Utility bill since
we installed it....

Well, unless you had a *newer* fridge before you wouldn't would you?

Nathalie in Switzerland

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One has to ask why the price of diesel is higher than Regular gas.
It's a cheap by-product to be burned by cheap engines.

Your statement is completely wrong. Diesel is in no way a by-product, it
is refined just like gasoline. Diesel engines are in fact generally more
expensive to manufacture than gas engines.

--
Peter Aitken

In article <[email hidden]>,

Nathalie Chiva said:

Quoted message said:

Has not seemed to make a significant increase in the Utility bill since
we installed it....

Well, unless you had a *newer* fridge before you wouldn't would you?

Nathalie in Switzerland

Um, the 'frige may be that old luv, but the installation is not. ;-)

I got it used.

But thanks for the brilliant insight...
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Peter A said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
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One has to ask why the price of diesel is higher than Regular gas.
It's a cheap by-product to be burned by cheap engines.

Your statement is completely wrong. Diesel is in no way a by-product, it
is refined just like gasoline. Diesel engines are in fact generally more
expensive to manufacture than gas engines.

So why are they so common for deliveries then?

THAT makes no sense?
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Your statement is completely wrong. Diesel is in no way a by-product, it
is refined just like gasoline. Diesel engines are in fact generally more
expensive to manufacture than gas engines.

So why are they so common for deliveries then?

THAT makes no sense?

Whether it "makes sense" or not, it is true.

Diesel engines are a lot more durable than gas engines, this is why they
are common in trucking and marine applications. For a truck that puts on
100k miles a year, the lower maintenance costs of diesel more than
outweigh the higher initial cost. Also, fuel costs are lower with
diesel, even though it costs somewhat more per gallon than gas these
days. MPG with diesel is 20-40% better than with gas.

--
Peter Aitken

In article <[email hidden]>,

Peter A said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Your statement is completely wrong. Diesel is in no way a by-product, it
is refined just like gasoline. Diesel engines are in fact generally more
expensive to manufacture than gas engines.

So why are they so common for deliveries then?

THAT makes no sense?

Whether it "makes sense" or not, it is true.

Diesel engines are a lot more durable than gas engines, this is why they
are common in trucking and marine applications. For a truck that puts on
100k miles a year, the lower maintenance costs of diesel more than
outweigh the higher initial cost. Also, fuel costs are lower with
diesel, even though it costs somewhat more per gallon than gas these
days. MPG with diesel is 20-40% better than with gas.

Ooh, I have a friend that is a truck driver. He'd disagree with all of
the above! The overhead is astronomical and the mileage per gallon sux.

Even over a V-8 pickup. Granted, it has a higher payload but he's glad
the trucking company pays for diesel and upkeep!

I'd love to see stats on this.

There is a reason groceries are getting higher.
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Peace, Om

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Peter A said:

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Sheldon said:

But I have to give yoose Euros extra points in on area, us wasteful
Americans sure use a heckova lot more soap and hot water bathing
than yoose. Yeah, yeah, yeah... I know, yoose save on TP too.
Most of yoose don't even have indoor plumbing, your lavatory is a
hole in the floor (with two tiles showing yoose dummies how to set
yer feet to squat), an indoor outhouse is what most of yoose use...
and hafta wipe yer crotch with crepe paper, streeeetch it out and
use both sides!

I don't know where you have been but it wasn't UK.

We shower twice a day and not only do we have lavatories but we
have a bidet too!!

I notice when you sneer at us you use very low languages. Perhaps
this is what defines you?

"sheldoon" is a low class, illiterate, ignorant baboon. He is not
representative of Americans in general or people on this newsgroup.

Thank you Peter. Indeed I know some lovely Americans here.

"James Silverton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Diesel fuel was *less* expensive than regular gas at some places in
Rockville, MD last week! In some European countries it is much less
expensive because taxes on it are less than on regular gas. I seem to
remember that this was the case in Germany and France tho' I only noticed
it much on the one occasion where I rented a diesel car. This was a
medium-sized Citroen and it performed quite adequately.

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Those Citroens! I love seeing them in the older French movies. So
nostalgic.
I rented once. What a joy.
Dee Dee

Omelet said:

I grew up with a gas stove and I do agree that they have their
advantages when it comes to heat control, but I have this paranoia about
a flammable liquid being pumped into my home. I specified all electric
when I was looking for a house. ;-)

But that is a personal thing... I have nothing against gas stoves, I
just don't want one.

Since you live in Texas, you are aware that many of your neighbors
prefer to use gas, because of the cost. My water heater is gas, so is
my clothes dryer, my central heat is also gas. My husband was born in
Brooklyn, but raised in Long Island. Like you, he is not comfortable
with gas, at all.

Having a gas line, IMO, is similar to having a water line. There is not
a problem, unless something goes wrong. BTW, we have a couple of carbon
monoxide detectors, just in case. Thanks for mentioning that.

Becca

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Diesel engines are a lot more durable than gas engines, this is why they
are common in trucking and marine applications. For a truck that puts on
100k miles a year, the lower maintenance costs of diesel more than
outweigh the higher initial cost. Also, fuel costs are lower with
diesel, even though it costs somewhat more per gallon than gas these
days. MPG with diesel is 20-40% better than with gas.

Ooh, I have a friend that is a truck driver. He'd disagree with all of
the above! The overhead is astronomical and the mileage per gallon sux.

Even over a V-8 pickup. Granted, it has a higher payload but he's glad
the trucking company pays for diesel and upkeep!

I'd love to see stats on this.

Then look them up. Or, you can continue to believe your friend who
apparently does not know a damn thing about diesel engines. Or wait,
maybe your friend is right - it's the dumb executives and engineers at
trucking and marine companies worldwide who just love to pay more for
diesel engines because they get worse mileage and are less reliable.
Yeah, that must be it.

--
Peter Aitken

EZ said:

and if we do, will probably replace the cooktop as well. My concerns
about the ceramic surface is, can you slide cookware over it for
years on end and still have it looking nice? I seldom use cast iron,
but I'm betting if you do, you shouldn't be dragging it around on the
glass.

So far, I have not had a problem sliding my cast iron pans on mine, and
this is my 2nd one. I moved out of state, that is how I lost my first
one. It is not for everybody, but I enjoy it a lot.

Becca

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Quoted message said:

Omelet said:

I grew up with a gas stove and I do agree that they have their advantages
when it comes to heat control, but I have this paranoia about a flammable
liquid being pumped into my home. I specified all electric when I was
looking for a house. ;-)

But that is a personal thing... I have nothing against gas stoves, I just
don't want one.

Since you live in Texas, you are aware that many of your neighbors prefer
to use gas, because of the cost. My water heater is gas, so is my clothes
dryer, my central heat is also gas. My husband was born in Brooklyn, but
raised in Long Island. Like you, he is not comfortable with gas, at all.

Having a gas line, IMO, is similar to having a water line. There is not a
problem, unless something goes wrong. BTW, we have a couple of carbon
monoxide detectors, just in case. Thanks for mentioning that.

Becca

I, too, Om, have a problem with gas (in our case propane). We recently have
changed to all electric, with the exception in the winter when it falls
below zero, it will turn to gas. (Waiting for the boom!)
But we still use the carbon monoxide detectors for our safety. Many
insurance companies will lower the rates if you have them.
Dee Dee

Omelet said:

Quoted message said:

Whether it "makes sense" or not, it is true.

Diesel engines are a lot more durable than gas engines, this is why they
are common in trucking and marine applications. For a truck that puts on
100k miles a year, the lower maintenance costs of diesel more than
outweigh the higher initial cost. Also, fuel costs are lower with
diesel, even though it costs somewhat more per gallon than gas these
days. MPG with diesel is 20-40% better than with gas.

Ooh, I have a friend that is a truck driver. He'd disagree with all of
the above! The overhead is astronomical and the mileage per gallon sux.

Diesel fuel has almost 20% more energy per unit volume than gasoline.
Diesel engines are more fuel efficient than gasoline engines.

Quoted message said:

Even over a V-8 pickup. Granted, it has a higher payload but he's glad
the trucking company pays for diesel and upkeep!

Considering the work an over the road truck does it is less expensive
than an automobile.

Quoted message said:

I'd love to see stats on this.

There is a reason groceries are getting higher.

Corn has increased in price because of the poorly plan rush to produce
ethanol. Consider all of the uses for corn.

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

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Corn has increased in price because of the poorly plan rush to produce
ethanol. Consider all of the uses for corn.

Indeed!

Ethanol made from sugar cane is much more efficient that ethanol made
from corn. In fact, making ethanol from corn uses almost as much
petroleum as the ethanol replaces (for truck fuel, fertilizer, etc.).
Yet, thanks to the sugar lobby, the anti-Castro nitwits in Florida, and
venal politicians from the corn-growing states, we cannot import sugar
or ethanol from Cuba, Brazil, or other such places.

This "ethanol from corn" malarky is one of the biggest scams ever put
over on the US public by politicians and business interests.

--
Peter Aitken

Omelet said:

One has to ask why the price of diesel is higher than Regular gas.
It's a cheap by-product to be burned by cheap engines.

Methinks someone is profiteering off of us, yet again.

And it drives up the price of food due to deliver costs.

From what I understand, one of the diesel refineries is down, and
nobody is in a hurry to build a new refinery. Some of the other
refineries are still trying to switch over to the new, cleaner diesel,
so these refineries are still down. My car is diesel, so I wish they
would hurry.

Becca

In article <[email hidden]>,

Becca said:

Omelet said:

I grew up with a gas stove and I do agree that they have their
advantages when it comes to heat control, but I have this paranoia about
a flammable liquid being pumped into my home. I specified all electric
when I was looking for a house. ;-)

But that is a personal thing... I have nothing against gas stoves, I
just don't want one.

Since you live in Texas, you are aware that many of your neighbors
prefer to use gas, because of the cost.

Once upon a time, yes. Many are now switching to electric...

due to the cost.

Those old tanks make great smoker/grills. <g>

Quoted message said:

My water heater is gas, so is
my clothes dryer, my central heat is also gas. My husband was born in
Brooklyn, but raised in Long Island. Like you, he is not comfortable
with gas, at all.

Having a gas line, IMO, is similar to having a water line. There is not
a problem, unless something goes wrong.

Like I said, I grew up with it until age 19.
That is mostly why it scares me so. ;-)

Quoted message said:

BTW, we have a couple of carbon
monoxide detectors, just in case. Thanks for mentioning that.

Becca

Welcome. We do CO levels on patients all the time from the ER during the
winter. The biggest danger is from dirty/dusty furnaces for home heating.
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Peace, Om

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