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  1. Omelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Melba's Jammin said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] (Dolores JUDD) wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Hello ,
    I would like to know what all the cooks think about the ceramic ranges
    compared to the coil type range. I also am confused as to what type of
    cookware to use.At this time I have a ciol type range, but soon will
    need a new range.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Thank you Dee

    Quoted message said:

    I've a GE smooth top that I like a lot. I do home canning on it, too,
    without problems.

    Quoted message said:

    Rec.food.equipment would be a good place to ask for more opinions.

    Why would they know more about modern stoves?!?!?

    Quoted message said:

    Mom canned on ours too with no problem. :-)

    So what, any stove can boil water... there's no complex cooking
    involved with canning... all you need is a decent timer and hot pads.

    There's nothing modern about canning... my mom used to help her mom
    can on a wood stove. Back then canning was pretty much a neccesity,
    nowadays home canning is exclusively a hobby/pastime. You own that
    gigantic expensive freezer, for you to can would be moronic.

    Sheldon

  2. EZ said:
    Quoted message said:

    Omelet wrote:
    TEACH your kids and grandkids! Even a regular coil top enameled stove
    can be damaged by dropped pans and stupidity

    That's why I replaced the enameled top with a stainless one. They might dent
    it, but they won't chip it!

    Sheesh... buy something twice as expensive to drop pots on... your
    head is dented! LOL

    Sheldon

  3. "Omelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    TEACH your kids and grandkids! Even a regular coil top enameled stove


    can be damaged by dropped pans and stupidity. <G>
    --
    Peace, Om

    I can attest to having dropped dishes onto coils, having them break. I now
    have a vent above the range, which will keep me from putting anything in a
    cabinet above the range.

    Dee Dee

  4. Hi,

    I'm an induction (ceramic) cook top owner and must say it's a thing of
    beauty. Fast response, even-temperture and easy to clean (they sell
    special cleaner for ceramic tops). It's as good as gas (for heat) with
    no open flame issues. In addition, is run on very little energy,
    although I couldn't justify the initial cost against energy
    consumption; it's just too small to matter.

    The draw-backs are the pots & pans you may need to replace and the
    initial cost but if you have the money and love to cook....where else
    would you put it? Smile.

    I'm not a fan of cleaning around the coils so....well, I think you get
    the picture.

    Cheers,

    Omelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Dolores JUDD) said:

    Hello ,
    I would like to know what all the cooks think about the ceramic ranges
    compared to the coil type range. I also am confused as to what type of
    cookware to use.At this time I have a ciol type range, but soon will
    need a new range.

    Quoted message said:

    Thank you Dee

    I adore mine.
    SO much easier to keep really clean!!!

    We spent the money on the double laminate and it's been well spent.

    I use any type of cookware on it except you are not supposed to use a
    round bottomed wok on it.

    I even use cast iron. I'm just careful. :-)

    Had mine now for about or 8 years.
    Still looks like this:

    1998GlasstopStove1.jpghttp://i13.tinypic.com/4c95bhz.jpg

    Takes me about 5 minutes maybe to get it pretty depending on what got
    spilled or splattered. I use glass cleaner, scrub/wipe it off, take the
    razor scraper to get any hard deposits off, scrub a second time with
    glass cleaner, then use a little glass top stove polish on a paper towel
    to finish.

    As forcookingand heating, it takes slightly longer for the top to cool
    than a coil, but it's no big problem.

    It's also handy dandy as extra counter/prep space. :-)
    --
    Peace, Om

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    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]" -- Jack Nicholson

  5. Omelet said:


    I grew up with a gas stove and I do agree that they have their
    advantages when it comes to heat control, but I have this paranoia about
    a flammable liquid being pumped into my home. I specified all electric
    when I was looking for a house. ;-)

    Ridiculous...far, FAR more houses are destoyed from fires due to
    faulty electric wiring than gas explosions. Far more people are
    electricuted by electric stoves than blown up by gas stoves. Actually
    electricution by electric cook stoves at home is still pretty
    common... gas stove explosions are very rare these days. With propane
    a special valve is installed outside the structure that instantly
    senses any extraordinary gas flow and immediately closes... very much
    like a GFI. besides cooking I heat with propane, the propane company
    automatically installs the special valve and they know how to set it
    according to particular appliance useages.

    Your electric stove has to rely on the ordinary breaker in your
    distribution box, it won't open the circuit even if you roast to a
    crisp.
    At one time gas stoves weren't very safe but modern gas stoves have
    many more safety features than electric stoves. Your fear of gas
    cooking is a hold over from the olden days of stoves you needed to
    light with a match and then with pilot lights, those no longer exist.

    Now I don't believe that gas clothes dryers are very safe, if they
    would come up with a better way to deal with clothes dryer lint I
    would seriously consider switching to gas... but even though a gas
    dryer costs about four times less to operate than electirc I'd have to
    think about that because I only dry like two small loads a week, and
    often less as I hang a lot of clothes outdoors to dry, and even in
    winter I hang clothes in the basement... I typically only dry stuff
    half way especially towels to fluff them up and finish by line
    drying. I cook a lot more than I dry clothes.

    Now oil home heating is more dangerous than gas and electric, but in a
    different way, oil is very dirty and causes respiratory disease...
    anyone who heats their home with oil pretty much may as well smoke
    tobacco.... heating with kerosene, coal, and wood is just as bad...
    anyone who claims otherwise wouldn't be recommending carbon monoxide
    detectors, and in many municipalities it's the law... if there's
    carbon monixide leakage into living spaces so is there all the other
    products of combustion. Gas is not perfect but it's much cleaner
    burning than oil, in fact there's another savings, gas furnaces need
    no regular cleanings and tuneups

    Sheldon

  6. Omelet said:
    Sheldon said:

    With gas stoves that have pizeoelectric ignition you can still light
    the top burners with a match when the electric goes off. With
    electric stoves you're totally out of business. And just because
    there is no natural gas available there is no reason you can't have
    gas cooking with propane.

    Or wood...

    Why bother with a stove at all, cook on the hearth, or better yet
    outdoors over a campfire, you can impale wooly mammoth ribeye on a
    pointy stick... I bet no one needs to teach Om Flintstone how to twirl
    meat. hehe

    Sheldon Rubble

  7. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Edwin Pawlowski said:

    <sf> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 20:58:47 -0500, Omelet <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I use any type of cookware on it except you are not supposed to use a
    round bottomed wok on it.

    Why? It seems like if you use a ring, it should be ok.

    Aside from the fact it will not heat well with only a small contact point,
    you are putting a lot of pressure in one spot.

    Yes.

    It risks cracking the stove top.
    --
    Peace, Om

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    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]" -- Jack Nicholson

  8. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Sheldon said:
    Karen AKA Kajikit said:

    On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 14:44:00 -0400, [email hidden] (Dolores JUDD)

    Quoted message said:

    Hello ,
    I would like to know what all the cooks think about the ceramic ranges
    compared to the coil type range. I also am confused as to what type of
    cookware to use.At this time I have a ciol type range, but soon will
    need a new range.

    Our landlord replaced our coil electric stove with a ceramic one... I
    thought I'd hate it but they're much improved from a few decades ago!
    (my aunt had one of the old glass ones, and it chipped, scratched, and
    the paint wore off...) After six months I really like the ceramic
    stove it's very easy to clean and I like that you can sit hot stuff
    like oven trays on it without worrying about balancing them... the
    only negative is how long the plates hold the heat. It takes about
    half an hour to cool down all the way after you switch it off, so it's
    not very safe around children (there's a little red light that says
    'I'm hot' but kids might not notice it.)

    Cats neither.

    With my gas stove the cast iron grates stay hot a good while too but
    I'm in the habit of either leaving the pot, it's lid, or placing an
    empty pot that I leave on the stove at all times.

    I'm not comfortable with any form of electric stove, not since my
    uncle's house burned to the ground because they were in the habit of
    using the stove top as sort of a catch all table. One evening after
    dinner the entire family left for a movie, someone must have forgot to
    turn off a burner and someone tossed a magazine on the stove just as
    they were leaving. They admitted to doing this previously but always
    when home, someone would see/smell the smoke and the smoke detector
    would go off.

    Yeesh! I do use it as extra prep space, but NOT as a catch all!
    That's ignorant, and sloppy!
    --
    Peace, Om

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  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Sheldon said:

    And the main reason your mom's machine lasted 25 years is because even
    though they didn't have all the high tech electronics back then
    everything else was built to last...

    I can't argue with that point. ;-)
    My Hobart 'frige is 31 years old now. Granted, I have had to replace the
    compressor (2 years ago) but our big GE chest freezer is also that old
    and has never (knocks on wood!) needed any repair at all.
    --
    Peace, Om

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  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dee Dee said:

    "Omelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    TEACH your kids and grandkids! Even a regular coil top enameled stove


    can be damaged by dropped pans and stupidity. <G>
    --
    Peace, Om

    I can attest to having dropped dishes onto coils, having them break. I now
    have a vent above the range, which will keep me from putting anything in a
    cabinet above the range.

    Dee Dee

    I have a vent and a cabinet. We just put seldom used pans (like the egg
    poacher) in that cabinet.
    --
    Peace, Om

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  11. In article said:
    Omelet said:

    I grew up with a gas stove and I do agree that they have their
    advantages when it comes to heat control, but I have this paranoia about
    a flammable liquid being pumped into my home. I specified all electric
    when I was looking for a house. ;-)

    Ridiculous...far, FAR more houses are destoyed from fires due to
    faulty electric wiring than gas explosions. Far more people are

    Well, in the modern age just about every house has electricity
    connected, but not all have gas.

    Quoted message said:

    electricuted by electric stoves than blown up by gas stoves. Actually
    electricution by electric cook stoves at home is still pretty
    common... gas stove explosions are very rare these days. With propane
    a special valve is installed outside the structure that instantly
    senses any extraordinary gas flow and immediately closes... very much
    like a GFI. besides cooking I heat with propane, the propane company
    automatically installs the special valve and they know how to set it
    according to particular appliance useages.


    [snip]

    My main concern with gas is the open flame. It seems to me much more
    likely to cause a fire in an accident with flammable materials (oil,
    paper, curtains, ...) than a hot electric element.

    Of course, a red hot element would go close to being like an open
    flame, but for a significant proportion of cooking time you wouldn't
    need that much heat, would you?

    Though a hot element (not red hot) may eventually cause charring and a
    subsequent fire, I would expect that to take quite a bit longer, thus
    giving one time to recover the situation without too much damage.

    Having said all that, I would be happy to be convinced otherwise
    because I think 'cooking with gas' isn't just an empty phrase. So I
    would be very happy to see data suggesting my caution is unnecessary!

    Cheers, Phred.

    --
    [email hidden]

  12. "Phred" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Though a hot element (not red hot) may eventually cause charring and a
    subsequent fire, I would expect that to take quite a bit longer, thus
    giving one time to recover the situation without too much damage.

    A very hot electric element can look like it's cold. I have set things on
    fire with them. I don't willingly cook on electric elements of any kind,
    although I used one of those glass ones last Sunday. I don't cook by
    nembers for a start. I like instant response. I like to SEE what
    temperature I've got. I have a heavy duty, sealed burner gas cooktop with
    an electric conventional/fan option oven. The grids are heavy cast iron,
    which means I can shuffle, shake and otherwise manipulate pots and pans.
    It's stainless steel, so it cleans up easily and I do not use any products
    to clean it. The only thing I would change would be to have it bigger, but
    the kitchen won't take a bigger cooker.

    The glass cooker I used did mop up fast, but it still looked crappy until I
    moistened it again and rubbed it with a towel. There was just too much
    guess work using it. Not a hit.

    --
    http://www.judithgreenwood.com

  13. On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:03:07 -0500, Omelet <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Sheldon said:

    And the main reason your mom's machine lasted 25 years is because even
    though they didn't have all the high tech electronics back then
    everything else was built to last...

    I can't argue with that point. ;-)
    My Hobart 'frige is 31 years old now. Granted, I have had to replace the
    compressor (2 years ago) but our big GE chest freezer is also that old
    and has never (knocks on wood!) needed any repair at all.

    Sure, but isn't it a huge electricity consumer? Energy consumption is
    about the most significant difference between old refrigerators and
    new ones - new ones use a fraction of what the old ones use. And I
    know that in the US it's not deemed important, but that's a shame :-(.

    Nathalie in Switzerland

  14. "Nathalie Chiva" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:03:07 -0500, Omelet <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Sheldon said:

    And the main reason your mom's machine lasted 25 years is because even
    though they didn't have all the high tech electronics back then
    everything else was built to last...

    I can't argue with that point. ;-)
    My Hobart 'frige is 31 years old now. Granted, I have had to replace the
    compressor (2 years ago) but our big GE chest freezer is also that old
    and has never (knocks on wood!) needed any repair at all.

    Sure, but isn't it a huge electricity consumer? Energy consumption is
    about the most significant difference between old refrigerators and
    new ones - new ones use a fraction of what the old ones use. And I
    know that in the US it's not deemed important, but that's a shame :-(.

    Nathalie in Switzerland

    Here in the US, there are notices on every product that I've purchased about
    the energy consumption. It's always been a consideration to me.

    People always are making blanket statements regarding the U.S.'s thinking on
    just about everything and offering their opinions about the pysche of
    America --

    Dee Dee

  15. Dee Dee said:


    Here in the US, there are notices on every product that I've purchased about
    the energy consumption. It's always been a consideration to me.

    People always are making blanket statements regarding the U.S.'s thinking on
    just about everything and offering their opinions about the pysche of
    America --

    Dee Dee


    I live in the US and there are lots of single occupant drivers of
    trucks driven as a fashion statement wasting millions of gallons of
    gasoline every day for which we compensate by grinding up corn to make
    ethanol which has significantly increased the price of anything using
    the corn such as poultry, milk etc. Anyone observing this could rightly
    shake their head.

  16. "Dee Dee" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "Nathalie Chiva" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sure, but isn't it a huge electricity consumer? Energy consumption is
    about the most significant difference between old refrigerators and
    new ones - new ones use a fraction of what the old ones use. And I
    know that in the US it's not deemed important, but that's a shame :-(.

    Quoted message said:

    Here in the US, there are notices on every product that I've purchased
    about the energy consumption. It's always been a consideration to me.

    I don't know where Nathalie got that idea. As you say there are big
    yellow stickers on all large appliances with the energy rating. I get
    a rebate from my local utilities for picking high energy star rated
    furnaces/air conditioners. In some years you get a credit on your taxes
    for making energy efficient improvements to your home. Etc etc etc.

    Quoted message said:

    People always are making blanket statements regarding the U.S.'s thinking
    on just about everything and offering their opinions about the pysche of
    America --

    Unfortunately, that's true.

    nancy

  17. On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:23:16 -0400, "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    "Dee Dee" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "Nathalie Chiva" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sure, but isn't it a huge electricity consumer? Energy consumption is
    about the most significant difference between old refrigerators and
    new ones - new ones use a fraction of what the old ones use. And I
    know that in the US it's not deemed important, but that's a shame :-(.

    Quoted message said:

    Here in the US, there are notices on every product that I've purchased
    about the energy consumption. It's always been a consideration to me.

    I don't know where Nathalie got that idea.

    From the amount of oil that US cars use compared to Europeans cars,
    from the widespread use of air conditioning (so cold that you often
    have to wear a jacket even if it's scalding hot outside...), even when
    it's not necessary, and all that sort of thing.

    Nathalie in Switzerland

  18. "Nathalie Chiva" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:23:16 -0400, "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Dee Dee" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "Nathalie Chiva" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    > Sure, but isn't it a huge electricity consumer? Energy consumption is
    > about the most significant difference between old refrigerators and
    > new ones - new ones use a fraction of what the old ones use. And I
    > know that in the US it's not deemed important, but that's a shame :-(.

    Quoted message said:

    Here in the US, there are notices on every product that I've purchased
    about the energy consumption. It's always been a consideration to me.

    I don't know where Nathalie got that idea.

    From the amount of oil that US cars use compared to Europeans cars,
    from the widespread use of air conditioning (so cold that you often
    have to wear a jacket even if it's scalding hot outside...), even when
    it's not necessary, and all that sort of thing.

    Okay, even though I've driven a European car or two and they
    use as much oil as any of my other cars, maybe you mean those
    tiny cars. Regardless, I understand what you're saying, but I think
    maybe you said this before? that our appliances are energy hogs.
    That the US doesn't care about energy efficient appliances, and that's
    not true.

    Yes, I've been in places where the air conditioning is freezing cold,
    but most of the time it's not that cold. Certainly not in my house.

    I hope I didn't offend you, if I did I'm sorry, I didn't mean to.

    nancy

  19. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Okay, even though I've driven a European car or two and they
    use as much oil as any of my other cars, maybe you mean those
    tiny cars. Regardless, I understand what you're saying, but I think
    maybe you said this before? that our appliances are energy hogs.
    That the US doesn't care about energy efficient appliances, and that's
    not true.

    Yes, I've been in places where the air conditioning is freezing cold,
    but most of the time it's not that cold. Certainly not in my house.

    Per capita energy consumption, kg of oil equivalent, year 2003

    US: 7794
    Spain 3228
    United Kingdom 3918
    Germany 4203
    France 4518
    Italy 3127
    Belgium 5703
    Japan 4040
    Europe as a whole 3698

    Case closed.

    --
    Peter Aitken

  20. Peter A said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Okay, even though I've driven a European car or two and they
    use as much oil as any of my other cars, maybe you mean those
    tiny cars. Regardless, I understand what you're saying, but I think
    maybe you said this before? that our appliances are energy hogs.
    That the US doesn't care about energy efficient appliances, and
    that's not true.

    Yes, I've been in places where the air conditioning is freezing cold,
    but most of the time it's not that cold. Certainly not in my house.

    Per capita energy consumption, kg of oil equivalent, year 2003

    US: 7794
    Spain 3228
    United Kingdom 3918
    Germany 4203
    France 4518
    Italy 3127
    Belgium 5703
    Japan 4040
    Europe as a whole 3698

    Case closed.

    Where did these stats come from Peter?

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