On Aug 1, 2:28 pm, William <
[email protected]> wrote:
> On Aug 1, 11:12 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > On Aug 1, 11:54 am, William <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > On Aug 1, 10:25 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > On Aug 1, 10:43 am, donquijote1954 <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
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> > > > > On Aug 1, 4:00 am, Peter Clinch <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > Yes, there are some idiots who'll sit behind you and honk at you, but
> > > > > > they won't run you down, because it might scratch the paintwork. If you
> > > > > > push people off into bike lanes as a rule they will be far more maligned
> > > > > > and looked down upon on the instances where they have no choice to use
> > > > > > the roads, if they're typically in a bike lane instead.
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> > > > > > They don't help. We know they don't help as we can see them not
> > > > > > helping. *HAVE YOU GOT THAT YET?*
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> > > > > You still avoiding my question: BIKE LANES OR NO BIKE LANES, HOW DO WE
> > > > > BRING BIKE RIDERSHIP FROM THE AMERICAN OR BRITISH LEVES TO THE DUTCH
> > > > > OR DANISH LEVELS?
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> > > > You see, you are thinking about the problem from the wrong direction.
> > > > You are saying "biking is great, what is wrong with everyone else".
> > > > Instead, you need to examine why other people don't bike and address
> > > > that.
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> > > > Predominantly, I would think it is the combination of "no time to bike
> > > > & no place to bike to". Most people won't bike to work if they get
> > > > sweaty or if they work the night shift, etc. Bike lanes might
> > > > partially address the "no place to bike to" issue, but not really.
>
> > > > For example, I need to run out and get my kid some things for football
> > > > practice. While we're at it we need to do some back-to-school
> > > > shopping. Okay, that's simple and the kid is in great shape. I just
> > > > need to run to the nearest sporting goods store. Fortunately, there's
> > > > a small mall across the street. This trip is a bit unusually because
> > > > I do 90% of my shopping at the nest Walmart. So ideally, this is
> > > > bikeable. But the problem is, the nearest sporting goods store is
> > > > about 45 miles away. That's about 15 miles past the Walmart. So at
> > > > 10 mph (because of the hills and the purchases), you're talking at 9
> > > > hour bike ride.
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> > > I don't blame you, biking works best
> > > when everything is
> > > more central and dense like a metro area.
>
> > > > So I think your idea has merit, it just needs to be tweeked. The
> > > > community didn't allow a Walmart because of a DOT right-of-way issue.
> > > > But maybe if we had more Walmarts, so that they were closer to people,
> > > > the people could bike to them easier. Plus if they put in
> > > > SuperCenters with groceries, then more shopping could be done in 1
> > > > trip.
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> > > > So I guess bike lanes are part of the problem, but having a place to
> > > > go is the other part. Therefore, maybe you should lobby for more
> > > > Walmarts -- and have them tied into bikeways -- to encourage shopping
> > > > by bike.
>
> > > Have you no sense of quality Pat? I guess that is implied when your
> > > from nowhere land.
>
> > I don't follow your logic. Of course I am from the middle of
> > nowhere. That's great. Clean air. Clean water. Mountains in the
> > background (okay, the Allegany's aren't exactly the Rockies). It is a
> > nice, simple life. What else to I need. This is a great lifestyle.
> > What "quality" am I missing? The Kleenex from Walmart is somehow
> > worst than the Kleenex from the Kleenex Boutique? The $18 Harry
> > Potter book I bought last week has different words in it than $32
> > version in your corner bookstore? My backyard swimming pool is
> > somehow less wet than your municipal one? My fruit-of-the-loom
> > underwear are somehow less fruity than yours from the mall. Does a
> > Timex keep different time than a Rolex -- it doesn't really matter to
> > me, because I don't wear a watch.
>
> > You might crave some imported, organic, fresh pasta only made by
> > virgins on the hillsides of Italy. But regular pasta is fine by me.
> > You don't need that stuff to live well. You only need it to fill the
> > hollow spots in your sole. There's nothing wrong with simplicity.
> > I'm not exactly a monk, but this definitely isn't Madison Ave. But
> > that's what makes it nice.
>
> > On Friday, a friend and I are thinking of throwing a canoe on the
> > Allegany River and going a few miles, just for the heck of it. That's
> > excitement around here.
>
> > Besides, the Walmarts around here are pretty generous when it comes to
> > youth sports. We'll hit up each of them during fundraising for each
> > of the sports. It's not a lot, but they'll throw in $25 to $50 (each)
> > any time they are asked -- and we ask them quite often. That buys
> > stuff for the concession stand or for a raffle.
>
> > So what about this "quality" thing?
>
> Pat, Walmart is McDonalds department stores. In every way. If you wanna
> call that quality go right ahead. Just keep that bull **** out of the
> city.
To be more specific, ever notice how a lot of things, not
ALL things but a lot, are a heck of a lot crappier at walmart as
apposed to the other extreme like William-sanoma or crate and barrel?
I'm not saying that every place should be as expensive and *high tech*
for a lack of a better word as those places are. But ever notice how
theres a lot of poor people at Walmart? I guess you would'nt since
thats all you have in nowhere land but here in the cities when people
have more options then the lowest and crappiest, we tend to shoot for
the happy medium between excessive and contemptible.
I prove via internet:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=2403033
Wal*Mart:Lowest Common Denominator
Look at this cool set of pots and pans and the mounted rack. Only
34.32!!!
But in reality,look at cheap and thin the metal on the cooking
utensils and the pots is. Don't expect those to get through a
thanksgiving dinner....
Kohls: A Happy Medium
http://www.kohls.com/products/produ...LDER<>folder_id=440616035&bmUID=1186004381433
A good medium, not to bad it gets the job done. 170$ is pretty
reasonable, closer on the low end of things but again it will get the
job done.
William-Sonoma: When brains collide with class and stlye Bet you don't
have one of these at "The Rez" do you Pat?
http://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/sku9639873/index.cfm?pkey=cckwseti
600 dollars and just for the pots. Yea I would say this would out live
the competition in ever way by a large margin. Still, nothing to there
1,400$$$ one. ttp://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/sku8991465/index.cfm?pkey=cckwseti
Hey, you get what ya pay for!
Now, cheap prices may seem all good, but why not just pay a little
extra for the one that will last?
(Ahem* because your either poor or have no options or you just have no
sense of quality)
Now Pat, you may be saying to yourself that those other sets of pots
are expensive only for more profit, but if that was true, do you
REALLY think William-Sonoma would still be around?
