On Aug 17, 9:42 am, "David Loewe, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote:
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"1a) Never throw [censored] at an armed man. 1b) Never stand next to someone who is throwing [censored] at an armed man."
It seems more logical to not stand next to the guy who is getting [censored] thrown at him, less ye be splattered.
And, when the ARMED man who is having [censored] thrown at him fires his riot gun?
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He was fighting in a war against a nation that attacked us. Iraq never attacked us.
Be careful with that statement, a little internet research will show that Iraq planned attacks on 'Western Targets' before we invaded. (check the Washington Post)
He was fighting in a war against a nation that attacked us. Iraq never attacked us.
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Be careful with that statement, a little internet research will show that Iraq planned attacks on 'Western Targets' before we invaded. (check the Washington Post)
The fact remains that Iraq never attacked us.
No your right they didn't, which is a result of invading Iraq.
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:40:18 -0000, [email hidden] wrote:
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On Aug 17, 9:42 am, "David Loewe, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote:
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"1a) Never throw [censored] at an armed man. 1b) Never stand next to someone who is throwing [censored] at an armed man."
It seems more logical to not stand next to the guy who is getting [censored] thrown at him, less ye be splattered.
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And, when the ARMED man who is having [censored] thrown at him fires his riot gun?
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Note: This is Niven's First Law. It is taken from observation at the 1968 Democratic National Convention.
It seems to try to justify or make light of murdering people for doing something gross. Is that how you feel?
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In rec.sport.football.college David Loewe, Jr. <[email hidden]> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
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On Aug 17, 9:42 am, "David Loewe, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote:
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> "1a) Never throw [censored] at an armed man. > 1b) Never stand next to someone who is throwing [censored] at > an armed man." > It seems more logical to not stand next to the guy who is getting [censored] thrown at him, less ye be splattered.
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And, when the ARMED man who is having [censored] thrown at him fires his riot gun?
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Note: This is Niven's First Law. It is taken from observation at the 1968 Democratic National Convention.
It seems to try to justify or make light of murdering people for doing something gross.
Huh?!?
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Is that how you feel?
Huh?!?
How do you get EITHER of those conclusions (that it's what Niven meant and that I feel that way) out of that? -- "There is a time and a place for tact (and there are times when tact is entirely misplaced)." -Laurence VanCott Niven
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> He was fighting in a war against a nation that attacked us. Iraq > never attacked us.
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Be careful with that statement, a little internet research will show that Iraq planned attacks on 'Western Targets' before we invaded. (check the Washington Post)
The fact remains that Iraq never attacked us.
No your right they didn't, which is a result of invading Iraq.
For that matter Korea, Germany, Italy, Vietnam and Iraq (Gulf War I) never attacked us either.
runsrealfast <[email hidden]> wrote: > > He was fighting in a war against a nation that attacked us. Iraq > > never attacked us.
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> Be careful with that statement, a little internet research will show > that Iraq planned attacks on 'Western Targets' before we invaded. > (check the Washington Post)
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The fact remains that Iraq never attacked us.
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No your right they didn't, which is a result of invading Iraq.
For that matter Korea, Germany, Italy, Vietnam and Iraq (Gulf War I) never attacked us either.
All of those have been justified before, no need to re-hash those wars.
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On Aug 17, 10:25 am, Michelle <[email hidden]> wrote: > In article <[email hidden]>,
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> runsrealfast <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > He was fighting in a war against a nation that attacked us. Iraq > > > never attacked us.
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> > Be careful with that statement, a little internet research will show > > that Iraq planned attacks on 'Western Targets' before we invaded. > > (check the Washington Post)
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> The fact remains that Iraq never attacked us.
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No your right they didn't, which is a result of invading Iraq.
For that matter Korea, Germany, Italy, Vietnam and Iraq (Gulf War I) never attacked us either.
All of those have been justified before, no need to re-hash those wars.
I think the point was that like Iraq, those countries didn't invade us so that by itself is insufficient reason to condemn the Iraq war.
For that matter Korea, Germany, Italy, Vietnam and Iraq (Gulf War I) never attacked us either.
Germany and Italy declared war on us. North Korea attacked our troops that were stationed in South Korea. Kuwait asked for our help after Iraq attacked it.
Iraq didn't declare war on us. Iraq didn't attack any of our troops. No one asked for help against Iraq in 2003, because Iraq had not attacked anyone.
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 01:41:38 -0700, Trent Woodruff
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:52:16 -0600, "Kevin" <[email hidden]> wrote: >"Michelle Steiner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> "David Loewe, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>>>Support the troops: Bring them home ASAP.
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>> What if they don't want to give up on the mission?
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> If the command structure tell them to come home, they'll come home.
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I think I would rather they come home victorious than losers and things seem better lately.
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Even if they're brought home, they're not losers in any fashion.
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Tell it to the Vietnam Veterans, Trent...
Say what? Why should the Vietnam Veterans be considered "losers"? This doesn't make any sense to me at all, David...and I'm VERY surprised to hear it coming from you.
Others' perspectives of them has nothing to do with whether they are "losers" or not. Those who use others' opinions to form their own are the losers...apparently, you fall into that category?
....Never think that a handful of committed people can't change the world. In fact, it's the thing that usually has.
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 01:41:38 -0700, Trent Woodruff >On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:52:16 -0600, "Kevin" <[email hidden]> wrote: >>"Michelle Steiner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> "David Loewe, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>>>>Support the troops: Bring them home ASAP.
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>>> What if they don't want to give up on the mission?
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>> If the command structure tell them to come home, they'll come home.
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>I think I would rather they come home victorious than losers and things seem >better lately.
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Even if they're brought home, they're not losers in any fashion.
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Tell it to the Vietnam Veterans, Trent...
Say what? Why should the Vietnam Veterans be considered "losers"? This doesn't make any sense to me at all, David...and I'm VERY surprised to hear it coming from you.
Others' perspectives of them has nothing to do with whether they are "losers" or not. Those who use others' opinions to form their own are the losers...apparently, you fall into that category?
The problem with what you are saying is that "Others' perspectives" is exactly what is being bandied about here.
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:12:18 -0700, Trent Woodruff
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:42:46 -0500, "David Loewe, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote: >On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 01:41:38 -0700, Trent Woodruff >>On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:52:16 -0600, "Kevin" <[email hidden]> wrote: >>>"Michelle Steiner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>> "David Loewe, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>>>>>Support the troops: Bring them home ASAP.
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>>>> What if they don't want to give up on the mission?
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>>> If the command structure tell them to come home, they'll come home.
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>>I think I would rather they come home victorious than losers and things seem >>better lately.
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>Even if they're brought home, they're not losers in any fashion.
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Tell it to the Vietnam Veterans, Trent...
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Say what? Why should the Vietnam Veterans be considered "losers"? This doesn't make any sense to me at all, David...and I'm VERY surprised to hear it coming from you. Others' perspectives of them has nothing to do with whether they are "losers" or not. Those who use others' opinions to form their own are the losers...apparently, you fall into that category?
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The problem with what you are saying is that "Others' perspectives" is exactly what is being bandied about here.
No, it certainly isn't.
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But, you knew that...
Only for those who allow others' opinions to form their own.
....Never think that a handful of committed people can't change the world. In fact, it's the thing that usually has.