Back Pain...why?!??

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The point of any cardio workout is to get your heart rate into its
target range and keep it there for a set period of time. You can do
this by running, swimming or cycling (to mention but a few methods),
but running is by far the highest-impact and most damaging to the
body. Thirty minutes of pedaling can certainly equal thirty minutes
of running, if you pedal fast enough.

Good, so post to rec.bicycling. Stop spamming these newsgroups.

I don't "spam" means what you think it means.

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James Schrumpf said:

Stop running. It beats up your body and there are >other non-impact
aerobic activities that are just as >good. If you just have to be
outside, walk
briskly at a 15-minute-mile pace for two or three >miles. You'll get a
good workout and not beat your >knees, feet, back, shins, etc. to pieces.
When
you really want to get the heart pumping get on an >elliptical trainer or
a cycle.

Your 50-year-old self will thank you.

A bike or a cycle?

How is biking for cardio? Would you say in terms of aerobic
achievement a 30 minute bike ride = a 30 minute run?

Depends on the intensity of either.

Best conditioning is puke sprints. Or the dreaded 12 minute run, which is
basically a 12 minute sprint.

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A 30 minute bike ride at the proper speed == a 30 minute run --
without the
pounding on your body.

Horseshit. My biking friends go on multiple 4 hour rides 5-6 times a
week. A 100 mile bike ride is done by many while only a few nutjobs
ever do a 100 mile run. Thirty minutes on a bike (unless you are
doing a 12% grade) is cake if you compare apples to apples.

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Aerobics is aerobics.

And they expend 8X the energy you do on those 30 minute runs.

Aerobics is all about getting your heart rate up to its range and holding
it there for 45 minutes or so. That's it. It doesn't matter how it's
done.

Running pounds your body -- knees, feet, ankles, internal organs, back --
everything. That's why "only a few nutjobs ever do a 100 mile run."

Most people ride bikes for exercise but not necessarily for a strenuous
aerobic workout. IF you purposely push yourself on a bike to get your
pulse up to the correct range, the workout is all you need.

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James Schrumpf said:

Stop running. It beats up your body and there are >other non-impact
aerobic activities that are just as >good. If you just have to be
outside, walk
briskly at a 15-minute-mile pace for two or three >miles. You'll get a
good workout and not beat your >knees, feet, back, shins, etc. to
pieces. When
you really want to get the heart pumping get on an >elliptical trainer
or a cycle.

Your 50-year-old self will thank you.

A bike or a cycle?

How is biking for cardio? Would you say in terms of aerobic
achievement a 30 minute bike ride = a 30 minute run?

Not even close...

a 120 minute bike ride == a 30 minute run

True, you aren't even close.

It depends on the intensity. A 12 min mile jog corresponds to the same
caloric usage as a 12.9MPH bike ride.

http://sparkpeople.com/resource/calories_burned_list.asp

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A 30 minute bike ride at the proper speed == a 30 minute run -- without
the
pounding on your body.

Horseshit. My biking friends go on multiple 4 hour rides 5-6 times a
week. A 100 mile bike ride is done by many while only a few nutjobs ever
do a 100 mile run. Thirty minutes on a bike (unless you are doing a 12%
grade) is cake if you compare apples to apples.

If your friends are going 25 MPH on a bike, they are likely burning more
calories per minute than they would be jogging.

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James Schrumpf said:

The point of any cardio workout is to get your heart rate into its
target range and keep it there for a set period of time. You can do
this by running, swimming or cycling (to mention but a few methods),
but running is by far the highest-impact and most damaging to the
body. Thirty minutes of pedaling can certainly equal thirty minutes
of running, if you pedal fast enough.

Good, so post to rec.bicycling. Stop spamming these newsgroups.

Jogging isn't running.

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Stop running. It beats up your body and there are >other non-impact
aerobic activities that are just as >good. If you just have to be
outside, walk
briskly at a 15-minute-mile pace for two or three >miles. You'll get a
good workout and not beat your >knees, feet, back, shins, etc. to
pieces. When
you really want to get the heart pumping get on an >elliptical trainer
or a cycle.

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Your 50-year-old self will thank you.

A bike or a cycle?

How is biking for cardio? Would you say in terms of aerobic
achievement a 30 minute bike ride = a 30 minute run?

Here's a nice website for various activities. It gives calories
burned, which I know is not equivalent to cardio, but it's one way of
comparing different activities:

http://www.primusweb.com/fitnesspartner/jumpsite/calculat.htm

For example, for a 180 pounder, 30 minutes burns the following
calories:

Computer Work 61.3

Bicycling, Stationary: moderate, 150 watts 286.3
Bicycling, Stationary: vigorous, 200 watts 429.5

Bicycling: 12-13.9 mph, leisure, moderate effort 327.2
Bicycling: 16-19 mph, very fast, not drafting 490.9

Basketball: playing a game 327.2

Walk: 5 mph (12 min/mi) 327.2
Running: cross-country 368.1
Running: 6.7 mph (9 min/mile) 450
Running: 10 mph (6 min/mile) 654.5

Rollerblade / In-Line Skating 511.3
Running: stairs, up 613.6

Swimming: general, leisurely, no laps 245.4
Swimming: laps, vigorous 409
Water Polo 409

If you use heartbeat, then any exercise can be more intense than others,
depending on the heart rate you achieve.

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Jefferson N. Glapski said:

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The point of any cardio workout is to get your heart rate into its
target range and keep it there for a set period of time. You can
do this by running, swimming or cycling (to mention but a few
methods), but running is by far the highest-impact and most
damaging to the body. Thirty minutes of pedaling can certainly
equal thirty minutes of running, if you pedal fast enough.

Good, so post to rec.bicycling. Stop spamming these newsgroups.

Jogging isn't running.

Who said anything about jogging? Besides, the only difference between
jogging and running is an entry form.

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James Schrumpf said:

Stop running. It beats up your body and there are >other non-impact
aerobic activities that are just as >good. If you just have to be
outside, walk
briskly at a 15-minute-mile pace for two or three >miles. You'll
get a good workout and not beat your >knees, feet, back, shins, etc.
to pieces. When
you really want to get the heart pumping get on an >elliptical
trainer or a cycle.

Your 50-year-old self will thank you.

A bike or a cycle?

How is biking for cardio? Would you say in terms of aerobic
achievement a 30 minute bike ride = a 30 minute run?

Depends on the intensity of either.

Best conditioning is puke sprints. Or the dreaded 12 minute run, which
is basically a 12 minute sprint.

Well, my point was to engage in low-impace aerobics to protect your body.
A 12-minute sprint is contraindicated for that regimen.

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Back pain on middle left area. What could it be?

I'm 25 male, not fat or anything. I've been running for about 2 months
regularly now (i cycle my running). I lift weights. I will admit I
haven't been running with a particularly good running shoe - in fact
I've been feeling the shin splits, as soon as the pains started last
week I bought a new pair. I'm wondering if the backache is related to
the pounding from running. I feel it when I stretch or turn my back in
certain ways. I don't feel it when I'm just sitting or walking
though....there wasn't one sudden thing moment when I suddenly started
feelign it. I'm hoping it's just the pounding from running and that
it'll improve now that I've purchased new running shoes.

Out in left field here, but I got back pain in my left shoulder blade
when my gall bladder went kaput(I had no stones).

Also, since I got my Select comfort air bed, I have no more backaches
and no need for chiropractors.

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A 30 minute bike ride at the proper speed == a 30 minute run -- without
the
pounding on your body.

Horseshit. My biking friends go on multiple 4 hour rides 5-6 times a
week. A 100 mile bike ride is done by many while only a few nutjobs ever
do a 100 mile run. Thirty minutes on a bike (unless you are doing a 12%
grade) is cake if you compare apples to apples.

If your friends are going 25 MPH on a bike, they are likely burning more
calories per minute than they would be jogging.

Compare apples to apples.

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Back pain on middle left area. What could it be?

I'm 25 male, not fat or anything. I've been running for about 2 months
regularly now (i cycle my running). I lift weights. I will admit I
haven't been running with a particularly good running shoe - in fact
I've been feeling the shin splits, as soon as the pains started last
week I bought a new pair. I'm wondering if the backache is related to
the pounding from running. I feel it when I stretch or turn my back in
certain ways. I don't feel it when I'm just sitting or walking
though....there wasn't one sudden thing moment when I suddenly started
feelign it. I'm hoping it's just the pounding from running and that
it'll improve now that I've purchased new running shoes.

You answered your own question. It is the shoes.

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> A 30 minute bike ride at the proper speed == a 30 minute run -- without
> the
> pounding on your body.

Horseshit. My biking friends go on multiple 4 hour rides 5-6 times a
week. A 100 mile bike ride is done by many while only a few nutjobs ever
do a 100 mile run. Thirty minutes on a bike (unless you are doing a 12%
grade) is cake if you compare apples to apples.

If your friends are going 25 MPH on a bike, they are likely burning more
calories per minute than they would be jogging.

Compare apples to apples.

Dude, you're the one who told us of friends riding 100 miles on their bike
over 4 hours.

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Most people ride bikes for exercise but not necessarily for a strenuous
aerobic workout. IF you purposely push yourself on a bike to get your
pulse up to the correct range, the workout is all you need.

It takes me 23-30 minutes to hit 3 miles depending on variables.

I do that usually around 3 times a week, then I do sprint drills or
intervals 2 times a week.

According to calorie calculators in this thread biking at 16-19 mph
for 30 minutes burns the same calorie as the 3 mile run (at the pace
with which I do it).

My fear with biking was excess time needed to achieve the same goals
(i.e. needing to warm-up for 15 minutes before doing the "proper" bike
workout which'd extend my cardio workouts to almost an hour).

I'll experiment with cycling at the gym next week - it's not bad on
the back is it?

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> A 30 minute bike ride at the proper speed == a 30 minute run -- without
> the
> pounding on your body.

Horseshit. My biking friends go on multiple 4 hour rides 5-6 times a
week. A 100 mile bike ride is done by many while only a few nutjobs ever
do a 100 mile run. Thirty minutes on a bike (unless you are doing a 12%
grade) is cake if you compare apples to apples.

If your friends are going 25 MPH on a bike, they are likely burning more
calories per minute than they would be jogging.

Compare apples to apples.

Red Delicious are way better apples than Granny Smith. Or are you one of
those numbnuts that thinks a man can't compare a red apple to a green apple.

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> Horseshit. My biking friends go on multiple 4 hour rides 5-6 times a
> week. A 100 mile bike ride is done by many while only a few nutjobs
> ever do a 100 mile run. Thirty minutes on a bike (unless you are doing
> a 12% grade) is cake if you compare apples to apples.

If your friends are going 25 MPH on a bike, they are likely burning more
calories per minute than they would be jogging.

Compare apples to apples.

Dude, you're the one who told us of friends riding 100 miles on their bike
over 4 hours.

That's because a long run that is done consistently for most marathoners in
training is 20-28 miles or about 3 hours. A long bike ride is about six
hours for about 75 miles for the SAME type of person training for a 100 mile
event. Certain laws dictate (like full weight bearing in running) that
running expends more energy per minute that biking for a number of reasons
all things equal. I personally run three days a week and bike three days a
week to avoid the same wear and tear.

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On Aug 13, 2:32 pm, James Schrumpf
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> Stop running. It beats up your body and there are >other non-impact
> aerobic activities that are just as >good. If you just have to be
> outside, walk briskly at a 15-minute-mile pace for two or three
> >miles. You'll get a good workout and not beat your >knees, feet,
> back, shins, etc. to pieces. When you really want to get the heart
> pumping get on an >elliptical trainer or a cycle.
>
> Your 50-year-old self will thank you.

A bike or a cycle?

How is biking for cardio? Would you say in terms of aerobic
achievement a 30 minute bike ride = a 30 minute run?

Not even close...

a 120 minute bike ride == a 30 minute run

A 30 minute bike ride at the proper speed == a 30 minute run -- without the
pounding on your body.

I can't ride a bike hard enough... and running doesn't pound your body,
jogging does.

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Aerobics is aerobics.

As far as your heart and lungs are concerned, yes.

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> Stop running. It beats up your body and there are >other non-impact
> aerobic activities that are just as >good. If you just have to be
> outside, walk
> briskly at a 15-minute-mile pace for two or three >miles. You'll get a
> good workout and not beat your >knees, feet, back, shins, etc. to
> pieces. When
> you really want to get the heart pumping get on an >elliptical trainer
> or a cycle.
>
> Your 50-year-old self will thank you.

A bike or a cycle?

How is biking for cardio? Would you say in terms of aerobic
achievement a 30 minute bike ride = a 30 minute run?

Not even close...

a 120 minute bike ride == a 30 minute run

True, you aren't even close.

It depends on the intensity. A 12 min mile jog corresponds to the same
caloric usage as a 12.9MPH bike ride.

http://sparkpeople.com/resource/calories_burned_list.asp

I'm a SLOW runner, and I'd have to ride a bike darn near 20MPH
for a sustained period to burn as many calories.

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Aaron

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> Stop running. It beats up your body and there are >other non-impact
> aerobic activities that are just as >good. If you just have to be
> outside, walk
> briskly at a 15-minute-mile pace for two or three >miles. You'll get a
> good workout and not beat your >knees, feet, back, shins, etc. to
> pieces. When
> you really want to get the heart pumping get on an >elliptical trainer
> or a cycle.

> Your 50-year-old self will thank you.

A bike or a cycle?

How is biking for cardio? Would you say in terms of aerobic
achievement a 30 minute bike ride = a 30 minute run?

Here's a nice website for various activities. It gives calories
burned, which I know is not equivalent to cardio, but it's one way of
comparing different activities:

http://www.primusweb.com/fitnesspartner/jumpsite/calculat.htm

For example, for a 180 pounder, 30 minutes burns the following
calories:

Computer Work 61.3

Bicycling, Stationary: moderate, 150 watts 286.3
Bicycling, Stationary: vigorous, 200 watts 429.5

Bicycling: 12-13.9 mph, leisure, moderate effort 327.2
Bicycling: 16-19 mph, very fast, not drafting 490.9

Basketball: playing a game 327.2

Walk: 5 mph (12 min/mi) 327.2
Running: cross-country 368.1
Running: 6.7 mph (9 min/mile) 450
Running: 10 mph (6 min/mile) 654.5

Rollerblade / In-Line Skating 511.3
Running: stairs, up 613.6

Swimming: general, leisurely, no laps 245.4
Swimming: laps, vigorous 409
Water Polo 409

If you use heartbeat, then any exercise can be more intense than others,
depending on the heart rate you achieve.

Not exactly true - people have different max heartrates (and require
differing amounts of effort to reach certain ranges) as well as
V02max depending on the particular exercise.

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I hope it will go away now that I have proper shoes once again. Could
it be a muscle pull and will stretching help?

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IMO stretching always helps. It also could be a hydration issue.

Particularly, AFTER the workout. Stretching properly AFTER the
workout is actually more important than stretching out properly prior
to the workout.

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