Back Pain...why?!??

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In rec.sport.football.college James Schrumpf

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> On Aug 13, 2:32 pm, James Schrumpf
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>> Stop running. It beats up your body and there are >other
>> non-impact aerobic activities that are just as >good. If you just
>> have to be outside, walk briskly at a 15-minute-mile pace for two
>> or three
>> >miles. You'll get a good workout and not beat your >knees, feet,
>> back, shins, etc. to pieces. When you really want to get the
>> heart pumping get on an >elliptical trainer or a cycle.
>>
>> Your 50-year-old self will thank you.
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> A bike or a cycle?
>
> How is biking for cardio? Would you say in terms of aerobic
> achievement a 30 minute bike ride = a 30 minute run?

Not even close...

a 120 minute bike ride == a 30 minute run

A 30 minute bike ride at the proper speed == a 30 minute run --
without the pounding on your body.

I can't ride a bike hard enough... and running doesn't pound your
body, jogging does.

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Aerobics is aerobics.

As far as your heart and lungs are concerned, yes.

Running pounds your body. Donut think it doesn't.

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On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:21:07 -0700, Jon Enslin <[email hidden]>

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On Aug 13, 9:16 am, Google Beta User <[email hidden]> wrote:

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I hope it will go away now that I have proper shoes once again. Could
it be a muscle pull and will stretching help?

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IMO stretching always helps. It also could be a hydration issue.

Particularly, AFTER the workout. Stretching properly AFTER the
workout is actually more important than stretching out properly prior
to the workout.

Absolutely true. Stretching before warming up, unless it is dynamic
stretching, can be counterproductive.

Then ice after stretching.

I am over 50, have been running for over 25 years, had a back problem
for which surgery was the only remedy (disc fragment). I am "not fat or
anything" either. I can tell when a pair of shoes is at their edge. They
sometimes don't look bad, maybe not even dirty or anything but the
mid-sole gets compacted and loses its resilience. Bottom line, your
lower back, hips and knees are taking a beating.

My advise, don't scrimp on the shoes and if you're making 30 or so
miles/wk, get a new pair every 3 months or so. I think you'll notice a
big change.

Kevin

Jon Enslin said:

16...6'1" about 150 lbs. Part of his problem is that he is not built
like a runner. He is a basketball player who runs. If he runs too
much, he breaks down. It has been hard for him to find the balance to
survive a cross country season.

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I hope it will go away now that I have proper shoes once again. Could
it be a muscle pull and will stretching help?

IMO stretching always helps. It also could be a hydration issue.

Jon

This guys one of the biggest idiots I ever read on the net.

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ankylosing spondylitis

And this jerkoff has "alwaysaloser fondofmyassitis"

Scott Hendryx said:

Take up swimming, it's much better for you than running, plus you may fins
some hawties around the pool.

He goes to the "all male swims" at the YMCA, just so you know where
he's coming from....

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I'm trying to encourage my girl to wear a bikini but she "doesn't want
to show everything".

Let the air out her until she agrees to your demands, then re-inflate
her.

James Schrumpf said:

Stop running. It beats up your body and there are other non-impact aerobic
activities that are just as good. If you just have to be outside, walk
briskly at a 15-minute-mile pace for two or three miles. You'll get a good
workout and not beat your knees, feet, back, shins, etc. to pieces. When
you really want to get the heart pumping get on an elliptical trainer or a
cycle.

Your 50-year-old self will thank you.

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Gee, dumbass advice from a guy named James Selfhumps. Who'da figured?

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I'm sure you do Jimmy, I'm sure you do...

James Schrumpf said:

So you're saying that Lance Armstrong wasn't in good cardio condition?

Correct. Bikers are nowhere near as cardio-healthy as runners. It's a
plain fact. You can't come CLOSE to getting a good cardio on a bike as
you can running.

lein said:

Not a bad idea since it is known that white people pee in the pool.-

Yes, but then we immediately get out, and the blacks jump in. Then
after swallowing a mouthful, they can be overheard saying "hmm, what
is that wonderful flavor? I just KNOW I've tasted it before, but I
can't quite recall from where. Hmm hmm that's so good, I'm drinking
more!". But of course with blacks natural tendency to shy away from
water, especially when soap is involved, there are very few black
swimmers.

In rec.sport.football.college Jefferson N. Glapski said:

"Trent Woodruff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:21:07 -0700, Jon Enslin <[email hidden]>
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>On Aug 13, 9:16 am, Google Beta User <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> I hope it will go away now that I have proper shoes once again. Could
> it be a muscle pull and will stretching help?

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IMO stretching always helps. It also could be a hydration issue.

Particularly, AFTER the workout. Stretching properly AFTER the
workout is actually more important than stretching out properly prior
to the workout.

Absolutely true. Stretching before warming up, unless it is dynamic
stretching, can be counterproductive.

Doing ANYTHING before warming up can be counterproductive.

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In rec.sport.football.college James Schrumpf said:

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> In rec.sport.football.college Google Beta User <[email hidden]>
> wrote:
>> On Aug 13, 2:32 pm, James Schrumpf
>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>> Stop running. It beats up your body and there are >other
>>> non-impact aerobic activities that are just as >good. If you just
>>> have to be outside, walk briskly at a 15-minute-mile pace for two
>>> or three
>>> >miles. You'll get a good workout and not beat your >knees, feet,
>>> back, shins, etc. to pieces. When you really want to get the
>>> heart pumping get on an >elliptical trainer or a cycle.
>>>
>>> Your 50-year-old self will thank you.
>>
>> A bike or a cycle?
>>
>> How is biking for cardio? Would you say in terms of aerobic
>> achievement a 30 minute bike ride = a 30 minute run?
>
> Not even close...
>
> a 120 minute bike ride == a 30 minute run
>

A 30 minute bike ride at the proper speed == a 30 minute run --
without the pounding on your body.

I can't ride a bike hard enough... and running doesn't pound your
body, jogging does.

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Aerobics is aerobics.

As far as your heart and lungs are concerned, yes.

Running pounds your body. Donut think it doesn't.

Jogging pounds your body, running doesn't.

Very few people run for any distance.

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Jogging pounds your body, running doesn't.

Good distinction to make.

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Back pain on middle left area. What could it be?

Pancreatic cancer.

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I'm 25 male, not fat or anything. I've been running for about 2 months
regularly now (i cycle my running). I lift weights. I will admit I
haven't been running with a particularly good running shoe - in fact
I've been feeling the shin splits, as soon as the pains started last
week I bought a new pair. I'm wondering if the backache is related to
the pounding from running. I feel it when I stretch or turn my back in
certain ways. I don't feel it when I'm just sitting or walking
though....there wasn't one sudden thing moment when I suddenly started
feelign it. I'm hoping it's just the pounding from running and that
it'll improve now that I've purchased new running shoes.

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James Schrumpf said:

And they expend 8X the energy you do on those 30 minute runs.

You're assuming that they have the same average VO2 as the runners do. This
is not obvious, not everyone agrees it, so you're going to need to do much
better to convince us.

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Aerobics is all about getting your heart rate up to its range and holding
it there for 45 minutes or so. That's it. It doesn't matter how it's
done.

Not all aerobic exercise produces the same VO2.

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Running pounds your body -- knees, feet, ankles, internal organs, back --
everything.

That's inaccurate at best.

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That's why "only a few nutjobs ever do a 100 mile run."

Most people ride bikes for exercise but not necessarily for a strenuous
aerobic workout. IF you purposely push yourself on a bike to get your
pulse up to the correct range, the workout is all you need.

Cycling is certainly a reasonable form of exercise, but to assert that 30
minutes of one form of aerobics is necessarily *equivalent* to 30 minutes of
another is simply incorrect.

Cheers,
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Elflord

James Schrumpf said:

Running pounds your body. Donut think it doesn't.

Would you care to elaborate ? What do you mean that it "pounds your body ?"

Cheers,
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Elflord

Jefferson N. Glapski said:

If you use heartbeat, then any exercise can be more intense than others,
depending on the heart rate you achieve.

No, it can not. Unless you utilise a large amount of muscle mass in the
exercise, you will not be able to produce the power output necessary to
induce a high VO2. For example, cranking a hand powered generator will
*never* induce the same VO2 as running a 1 mile race.

Cheers,
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Elflord

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Back pain on middle left area. What could it be?

I'm 25 male, not fat or anything. I've been running for about 2 months
regularly now (i cycle my running). I lift weights.

1) When running, you push back with your legs - your back puts a balancing
torque. Then you might feel tired in your lower back. But you say you
have mid-back pain.

2) Some heart conditions cause radiating pain, but you say your pain is
only felt at particular stances and movements.

My conclusion is not to worry about it. Do you feel pain when doing
deadlifts and back hyperextensions at the gym?

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On Aug 15, 11:40 am, Christos Dimitrakakis <[email hidden]>

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1) When running, you push back with your legs - your back puts a balancing
torque. Then you might feel tired in your lower back. But you say you
have mid-back pain.

2) Some heart conditions cause radiating pain, but you say your pain is
only felt at particular stances and movements.

My conclusion is not to worry about it. Do you feel pain when doing
deadlifts and back hyperextensions at the gym?

No, I can lift weights fine.