A.R.B.R. ain't dead yet??????



Freewheeling wrote:

> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Freewheeling wrote:
>>
>>
>>>...
>>>Pure speculation, of course. But my speculation is that the election in
>>>Iraq led to a recognition that he had devoted most of his effort and
>>>treasure to the wrong side of the debate....

>>
>>I feel sorry for Iraqi chess players. See <http://sistani.org/>.
>>
>>However, His Eminence Grand Ayatullah Sayyid Ali Husayni Sistani has yet
>>to comment on the morality of recumbent bicycles.

>
>
> Shows what you know. In point of fact it's the rare Arab adult male who
> would be caught alive or dead sitting on a bicycle of any kind. It would be
> the modesty equivalent of walking around nude in public.


Yawn - I was simply bringing recumbent bicycles into the thread. I will
be shocked, however, if you can find a public comment by Sistani on
recumbent bicycles.

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> "rocketman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Wrong newsgroup, pal. Take it elsewhere. Don't bother responding; I
>> won't see it.
>>
>> R
>>
>> <p-p-p-plonkage>
>>
>> "Freewheeling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> I'm curious as to why you didn't attempt to redirect or hijack the
>>> thread at a point where someone on the left had made some lame
>>> observation about blood for oil, or something? That doesn't seem to
>>> catch your attention.
>>>
>>> My point is very simple, and I thought rather nonpartisan. I can,
>>> frankly, find no reason why the notion of national sovereignty seems so
>>> sacrosanct to the left only when the "intruder" is a democratic regime
>>> change, but they apparently haven't raised much of a stink over the fate
>>> of Lebanon all these years, which is, even by their standards, an
>>> illegitimate occupation without even the pretense of national
>>> determination. I've watched various people on the left and it seems to
>>> me that although a very small minority are consistent on this sort of
>>> issue (Kouchner and Hitchens, for example) most are not. Now it seems
>>> to me that if democracy were really as important to the Democracy Now"
>>> folks as they claim, they'd be able to tolerate the kind of intervention
>>> by the US that deposes a tyrant, at least to the point that the citizens
>>> of that country make what appears to be a reasonably uncoerced choice.
>>>
>>> But they don't.
>>>
>>> And I therefore have to conclude... am forced do conclude, that
>>> "democracy" is only considered a good thing if it makes politically
>>> correct choices. Otherwise its some sort of "false consciousness."
>>>
>>> So anyway, the topic of this thread is what it is. If you don't like
>>> it, you don't have to read it.
>>>
>>> --
>>> --Scott
>>> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Freewheeling wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If we can't agree that it's time to end tyranny and totalitarianism
>>>>> it's doubtful that we'll ever be able to coordinate resolution of any
>>>>> of these other "wicked problems" that face us.
>>>>
>>>> The real threats are integrated headsets, ISO 587-mm (700D) tires, and
>>>> top posting to Usenet groups.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Tom Sherman - Earth
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
> Fortunately or unfortunately, however you might view it, I find myself
> slipping into this schadedfreude thing by having warm fuzzy feelings about
> the misery of
> Rocketman/Sherman.


Heh. Instead of ignoring a thread he views as off topic Tom feels the
compulsion, for some reason, to post meaninglees, but on topic,
non-sequitors. As though the meaning of a post is, irrelevant.

Political correctness has three components:

a. An impossibly narrow scope of what are permissible topics for discussion.
(i.e. even mentioning that men are better at math, or that the ends of the
IQ distribution are predominantly male, is, by definition, not only not open
to discussion, but prima facie evidence of moral corruption).

b. Even this narrow range is centered on the irrelevant. (The "central"
question isn't what males and females prefer, or what the relative
distribution of their gifts actually is like, but how successfully we can
jam the sciences with women for the sake of some abstract concept of
"equality.")

c. Impossibly harsh consequences that are justified by the obvious
impropriety of violating a. and b.. (Larry Summers, and more importantly
any other faculty who fail to toe the PC line, must not only suffer the
removal of their source of livelihood, but as much humiliation and disgrace
as can possibly be heaped on.)

http://www.fredoneverything.net/FOE_Frame_Column.htm

Comrade, this is all politically incorrect. Sorry.

>
> skip
>
> skip
>
 
Tom Sherman wrote:
> Freewheeling wrote:
>
> > If we can't agree that it's time to end tyranny and totalitarianism

it's
> > doubtful that we'll ever be able to coordinate resolution of any

of these
> > other "wicked problems" that face us.

>
> The real threats are integrated headsets, ISO 587-mm (700D) tires,

and
> top posting to Usenet groups.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Earth


What's wrong with integrated headsets? The HP Velotechnik Grasshopper
uses an integrated headset.

Zach
 
Zach wrote:

> Tom Sherman wrote:
>
>>Freewheeling wrote:
>>
>>
>>>If we can't agree that it's time to end tyranny and totalitarianism

>
> it's
>
>>>doubtful that we'll ever be able to coordinate resolution of any

>
> of these
>
>>>other "wicked problems" that face us.

>>
>>The real threats are integrated headsets, ISO 587-mm (700D) tires,

>
> and
>
>>top posting to Usenet groups.
>>
>>--
>>Tom Sherman - Earth

>
>
> What's wrong with integrated headsets? The HP Velotechnik Grasshopper
> uses an integrated headset.


Will the parts to service them be readily available at any decently
stocked LBS in 20 years time? The general consensus seems to be that
proprietary parts are unfavorable for this reason.

Disclaimer: Of course, I happen to own a bicycle and a trike from a
defunct manufacturer that used plenty of proprietary parts. ;)

--
Tom Sherman - Earth
 
"Freewheeling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "skip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:p[email protected]...
>>
>> "rocketman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:z_USd.43912$tl3.20581@attbi_s02...
>>> Wrong newsgroup, pal. Take it elsewhere. Don't bother responding; I
>>> won't see it.
>>>
>>> R
>>>
>>> <p-p-p-plonkage>
>>>
>>> "Freewheeling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> I'm curious as to why you didn't attempt to redirect or hijack the
>>>> thread at a point where someone on the left had made some lame
>>>> observation about blood for oil, or something? That doesn't seem to
>>>> catch your attention.
>>>>
>>>> My point is very simple, and I thought rather nonpartisan. I can,
>>>> frankly, find no reason why the notion of national sovereignty seems so
>>>> sacrosanct to the left only when the "intruder" is a democratic regime
>>>> change, but they apparently haven't raised much of a stink over the
>>>> fate of Lebanon all these years, which is, even by their standards, an
>>>> illegitimate occupation without even the pretense of national
>>>> determination. I've watched various people on the left and it seems to
>>>> me that although a very small minority are consistent on this sort of
>>>> issue (Kouchner and Hitchens, for example) most are not. Now it seems
>>>> to me that if democracy were really as important to the Democracy Now"
>>>> folks as they claim, they'd be able to tolerate the kind of
>>>> intervention by the US that deposes a tyrant, at least to the point
>>>> that the citizens of that country make what appears to be a reasonably
>>>> uncoerced choice.
>>>>
>>>> But they don't.
>>>>
>>>> And I therefore have to conclude... am forced do conclude, that
>>>> "democracy" is only considered a good thing if it makes politically
>>>> correct choices. Otherwise its some sort of "false consciousness."
>>>>
>>>> So anyway, the topic of this thread is what it is. If you don't like
>>>> it, you don't have to read it.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --Scott
>>>> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> Freewheeling wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If we can't agree that it's time to end tyranny and totalitarianism
>>>>>> it's doubtful that we'll ever be able to coordinate resolution of any
>>>>>> of these other "wicked problems" that face us.
>>>>>
>>>>> The real threats are integrated headsets, ISO 587-mm (700D) tires, and
>>>>> top posting to Usenet groups.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Tom Sherman - Earth
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>> Fortunately or unfortunately, however you might view it, I find myself
>> slipping into this schadedfreude thing by having warm fuzzy feelings
>> about the misery of
>> Rocketman/Sherman.

>
> Heh. Instead of ignoring a thread he views as off topic Tom feels the
> compulsion, for some reason, to post meaninglees, but on topic,
> non-sequitors. As though the meaning of a post is, irrelevant.
>
> Political correctness has three components:
>
> a. An impossibly narrow scope of what are permissible topics for
> discussion. (i.e. even mentioning that men are better at math, or that the
> ends of the IQ distribution are predominantly male, is, by definition, not
> only not open to discussion, but prima facie evidence of moral
> corruption).
>
> b. Even this narrow range is centered on the irrelevant. (The "central"
> question isn't what males and females prefer, or what the relative
> distribution of their gifts actually is like, but how successfully we can
> jam the sciences with women for the sake of some abstract concept of
> "equality.")
>
> c. Impossibly harsh consequences that are justified by the obvious
> impropriety of violating a. and b.. (Larry Summers, and more importantly
> any other faculty who fail to toe the PC line, must not only suffer the
> removal of their source of livelihood, but as much humiliation and
> disgrace as can possibly be heaped on.)
>
> http://www.fredoneverything.net/FOE_Frame_Column.htm
>
> Comrade, this is all politically incorrect. Sorry.
>
>>


Enjoyed the fredoneverything column. This guy goes out of his way to be
politically incorrect. Saying things such as "I'd just as soon have a
possum president of Harvard" of all things. Highly disparaging to possums
everywhere.

My suggestion is to recruit Kinky Friedman (of Kinky and the Texas Jew Boys
fame) to be president of Harvard, if it should turn out he doesn't get
elected Governor of Texas in their forthcoming election.

I am confident Kinky could handle the Harvard wussification issues. One of
the items on Kinky's platform is to eliminate political correctness in
Texas.
Kinky's comment about being Governor of Texas is, "How hard could that be?"

skip

P.S. Kinky is an ardent animal lover and vows to outlaw the declawing of
cats in Texas. So as you can see Texans have all kinds of reasons to get
Kinky. Check out the Kinkster here:
http://www.kinkyfriedman.com/about.html
 
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"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Freewheeling wrote:
>
>> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>Freewheeling wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>...
>>>>Pure speculation, of course. But my speculation is that the election in
>>>>Iraq led to a recognition that he had devoted most of his effort and
>>>>treasure to the wrong side of the debate....
>>>
>>>I feel sorry for Iraqi chess players. See <http://sistani.org/>.
>>>
>>>However, His Eminence Grand Ayatullah Sayyid Ali Husayni Sistani has yet
>>>to comment on the morality of recumbent bicycles.

>>
>>
>> Shows what you know. In point of fact it's the rare Arab adult male who
>> would be caught alive or dead sitting on a bicycle of any kind. It would
>> be the modesty equivalent of walking around nude in public.

>
> Yawn - I was simply bringing recumbent bicycles into the thread. I will be
> shocked, however, if you can find a public comment by Sistani on recumbent
> bicycles.


Golly Tom, I thought I *was* talking about bicycles, unless social attitudes
about bikes is off topic too. OK, so you're not actually interested in real
life attitudes about bikes by real life people. You were just... what?
Being snarky in a covert sort of way? Just how narrow *is* that keyhole
we're all supposed to be looking through with you?

>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Earth
>
 
Freewheeling wrote:

> Golly Tom, I thought I *was* talking about bicycles, unless social attitudes
> about bikes is off topic too. OK, so you're not actually interested in real
> life attitudes about bikes by real life people. You were just... what?
> Being snarky in a covert sort of way? Just how narrow *is* that keyhole
> we're all supposed to be looking through with you?


Alleging Hunter S. Thompson killed himself because elections were held
in Iraq has something to do with bicycles?

Try reading your own posts sometime. They are amazingly full of "I'm
right, your wrong" chest beating statements (declaring you are right
does not mean you are right, despite - some of us are inoculated to this
technique that certain politicians and pundits love so well). Then there
are the statements that indicate that you get vicarious thrills over the
US military killing foreigners. Hint: this virtual testosterone will not
make your bike go faster.

Metaphorically speaking, if you bring your dog over to my lawn to
defecate on it, I will put on rubber gloves and toss the feces back over
the fence into your yard.

--
Tom Sherman - Earth
 
"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Metaphorically speaking, if you bring your dog over to my lawn to
> defecate on it, I will put on rubber gloves and toss the feces back over
> the fence into your yard.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Earth


Watching Freewheeling defecate on his own dog might be amusing :)
 
"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Will the parts to service them be readily available at any decently
> stocked LBS in 20 years time? The general consensus seems to be that
> proprietary parts are unfavorable for this reason.
>
> Disclaimer: Of course, I happen to own a bicycle and a trike from a
> defunct manufacturer that used plenty of proprietary parts. ;)
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Earth


How many people are riding 20 year old bikes?
 
Mark Leuck wrote:

> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Will the parts to service them be readily available at any decently
>>stocked LBS in 20 years time? The general consensus seems to be that
>>proprietary parts are unfavorable for this reason.
>>
>>Disclaimer: Of course, I happen to own a bicycle and a trike from a
>>defunct manufacturer that used plenty of proprietary parts. ;)
>>
>>--
>>Tom Sherman - Earth

>
>
> How many people are riding 20 year old bikes?


Quite a few actually, which is not surprising since the diamond frame
bicycle has not changed significantly since April 1, 1934.

I plan to be riding a 20 year old Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM] 15
years from now.

--
Tom Sherman - Earth
 
Mark Leuck wrote:

> How many people are riding 20 year old bikes?


I am at the moment. Well, sort of. The frame dates from 1984, the seat
post from 1983 and the stem from 1982. And the wheels from last month.

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World Domination?
Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the
floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine)
 
In article <[email protected]>, Mark Leuck wrote:
>
> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Will the parts to service them be readily available at any decently
>> stocked LBS in 20 years time? The general consensus seems to be that
>> proprietary parts are unfavorable for this reason.
>>
>> Disclaimer: Of course, I happen to own a bicycle and a trike from a
>> defunct manufacturer that used plenty of proprietary parts. ;)
>>
>> --
>> Tom Sherman - Earth

>
> How many people are riding 20 year old bikes?
>
>

The bike I owned twenty years ago is now being ridden by one of
my young cousins. My fifteen year old mountain bike is still being
ridden 18 miles a day though I think only the rear hub and the frame are
still original on that. Everything else has either worn out or suffered
terminal crash damage and been replaced at least once:)

--
Tim.
 
"Mark Leuck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Will the parts to service them be readily available at any decently
>> stocked LBS in 20 years time? The general consensus seems to be that
>> proprietary parts are unfavorable for this reason.
>>
>> Disclaimer: Of course, I happen to own a bicycle and a trike from a
>> defunct manufacturer that used plenty of proprietary parts. ;)
>>
>> --
>> Tom Sherman - Earth

>
> How many people are riding 20 year old bikes?
>
>


There are a few of us who prefer retro - Bridgestone's, vintage Italian road
bikes, Paramount's, Raleigh's, Ryan's, etc. My newest bike is a '96 GRR
bought in '98. All the bikes in my personal collection have acquired their
character through the test of time and miles.

I'm not reaching for my check book every time a new bike gets hyped. So I
don't expect to be buying and selling a B*g*a, a N*C*m, or whatever this
year and lose $2,000 to $3,000 on a bike with a couple hundred miles on it.

skip
 
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"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Freewheeling wrote:
>
>> Golly Tom, I thought I *was* talking about bicycles, unless social
>> attitudes about bikes is off topic too. OK, so you're not actually
>> interested in real life attitudes about bikes by real life people. You
>> were just... what? Being snarky in a covert sort of way? Just how narrow
>> *is* that keyhole we're all supposed to be looking through with you?

>
> Alleging Hunter S. Thompson killed himself because elections were held in
> Iraq has something to do with bicycles?


The post you responded to with a "yawn" was about attitudes of Arab males
toward cycling.

>
> Try reading your own posts sometime. They are amazingly full of "I'm
> right, your wrong" chest beating statements (declaring you are right does
> not mean you are right, despite - some of us are inoculated to this
> technique that certain politicians and pundits love so well).


About Iraq, I *was* right. As for the chest-beating thing, that's entirely
in your head. I proposed a theory about Tompson's suicide, and also
acknowledged that it would well be incorrect. Just exactly how is that
"chest beating?" Hyperbole and imprecision don't make you right, either.

> Then there are the statements that indicate that you get vicarious thrills
> over the US military killing foreigners. Hint: this virtual testosterone
> will not make your bike go faster.
>


I approve of killing terrorists. No apologies. Never will be. The more we
kill, the better. As for "vicarious thrill" that's just a lot of horse
pucky. And what's this dudu about lumping all foreigners in with
Islamo/Fascist terrorists, as though that makes the slightest bit of sense
outside of Michael Moore's fat head?


> Metaphorically speaking, if you bring your dog over to my lawn to defecate
> on it, I will put on rubber gloves and toss the feces back over the fence
> into your yard.


And this is related to your "yawn" how, exactly?

>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Earth
>
 
Heh, again.

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--Scott
"Mark Leuck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Metaphorically speaking, if you bring your dog over to my lawn to
>> defecate on it, I will put on rubber gloves and toss the feces back over
>> the fence into your yard.
>>
>> --
>> Tom Sherman - Earth

>
> Watching Freewheeling defecate on his own dog might be amusing :)
>
>
 
skip wrote:
> "Mark Leuck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >> Will the parts to service them be readily available at any

decently
> >> stocked LBS in 20 years time? The general consensus seems to be

that
> >> proprietary parts are unfavorable for this reason.
> >>
> >> Disclaimer: Of course, I happen to own a bicycle and a trike from

a
> >> defunct manufacturer that used plenty of proprietary parts. ;)
> >>
> >> --
> >> Tom Sherman - Earth

> >
> > How many people are riding 20 year old bikes?
> >
> >

>
> There are a few of us who prefer retro - Bridgestone's, vintage

Italian road
> bikes, Paramount's, Raleigh's, Ryan's, etc. My newest bike is a '96

GRR
> bought in '98. All the bikes in my personal collection have acquired

their
> character through the test of time and miles.
>
> I'm not reaching for my check book every time a new bike gets hyped.

So I
> don't expect to be buying and selling a B*g*a, a N*C*m, or whatever

this
> year and lose $2,000 to $3,000 on a bike with a couple hundred miles

on it.
>
> skip


My oldest bike is a 1998 Crystal Engineering Speed Ross though my
mother keeps her 1995 BikeE in my shop. My Gold Rush is a 1999.

Zach
 
Tom Sherman wrote:

> Metaphorically speaking, if you bring your dog over to my lawn to
> defecate on it, I will put on rubber gloves and toss the feces back

over
> the fence into your yard.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Earth


Why not just dig a small hole for them in your yard and bury them in
your yard? After all the feces have been produced, that is a fact that
you can't change and whatever odours they produce as they decay will be
near enough your yard to smell whether you throw them over your
neighbours fence or not. Plus by just burying them in your yard you
won't have to get your rubber gloves soiled. All metaphorically
speaking, of course.

Zach
 
Freewheeling wrote:

> ...About Iraq, I *was* right....


SO WHERE ARE ALL THOSE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION YOU WERE SO SURE THAT
SADDAM HUSSEIN HAD - WASN'T THAT ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS WHERE YOU DECLARED
YOURSELF THE WINNER?

--
Tom Sherman - Earth
 
Freewheeling wrote:

> ...I approve of killing terrorists. No apologies. Never will be. The more we
> kill, the better....


EVEN WHEN THE TERRORISTS ARE MEMBERS OF THE MILITARY, OFFICIAL COVERT
OPERATIONS ORGANIZATIONS AND POLICE OF THE UNITED STATES OR NATIONS
ALLIED TO THE UNITED STATES?

--
Tom Sherman - Earth
 
Zach wrote:

> Tom Sherman wrote:
>
>
>>Metaphorically speaking, if you bring your dog over to my lawn to
>>defecate on it, I will put on rubber gloves and toss the feces back
>>over the fence into your yard.

>
>
> Why not just dig a small hole for them in your yard and bury them in
> your yard? After all the feces have been produced, that is a fact that
> you can't change and whatever odours they produce as they decay will be
> near enough your yard to smell whether you throw them over your
> neighbours fence or not. Plus by just burying them in your yard you
> won't have to get your rubber gloves soiled. All metaphorically
> speaking, of course.


A sensible suggestion, but what fun would that be?

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Tom Sherman - Earth