A disappointing week

"Correct. The definition of data is not static is is up to the supplier
*and* the reader to determine if it meets their criteria."

And thus is the whine of every quack selling snake oil, "I am an authority
only to myself and those who believe me". Every one I gave my wonderful
potion was cured of aids. Now we have both data and science.

Quoted message said:

It ain't the data, it is the pretention of science and the plea for
relevance and recognition that is a problem.

You're going to have to make up your minds. Roger Zoul claims he does
not see any data in his attempt to wish the data away. You now claim
that your problem is not with the data but with the motive behind the
data gathering.

Perhaps you both can come back to this discussion when you have reached
a consensus to present a stronger unified front in your futile attempt
to overcome the truth.

Meanwhile, I stand ready to document the first person to gain weight
despite eating less per the 2PD Approach but in truth, no one should be
expecting this any more than one would expect cars to be replaced by
perpetual motion machines.

It still amazes me how there are folks (i.e. Roger Zoul and "wondering"😉
who seem to believe that they can gain weight despite eating less (i.e.
create mass/bulk out of thin air) and yet they seem unable to believe
our Creator, our heavenly Father, can do exactly that (i.e. create
mass/bulk out of thin air). This again illustrates how undiscerning
people will choose to believe what they want to believe even if it is
far removed from the truth.

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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Ekoms said:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

Quoted message said:

It ain't the data, it is the pretention of science and the plea for
relevance and recognition that is a problem.

You're going to have to make up your minds. Roger Zoul claims he does
not see any data in his attempt to wish the data away.

History, fiction and predictions are all entangled into the same event,

Actually, they are not.

History is what has been made by God.

Fiction is what has been made by man.

True predictions (prophecy) are preknowledge of His plan.

There is no entanglement. God sorts this all out.

Truth is simple.

Quoted message said:

so you really should be careful what you wish for.

You have nothing to do with happens. Go ahead and wish away.

Quoted message said:

Ekoms

You are informed in the decision you will choose to make. Such is the
work being done here.

It is written in Ephesians 2:

10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good
works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

All is a waste of time until you find the way to eternal life with the
Creator of the universe. When you do, there is no waste of time because
there will be an infinite amount of it. Walking about aimlessly
thinking it is *your* time, *your* money, *your* lot, *your* labor,
*your* profit, and *your* power that you are using is tantamount to
self-worship.

For Christ lights up the way through John 14:

6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes
to the Father except through me..."

This bring us back again to the following very simple decision tree for
the untruthful folks such as yourself, neighbor, who have chosen to walk
in the "dark":

(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.

Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
in God's eternal kingdom.

(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.

Benefits: Nothing.

Again, one has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, Steve, Bob, Zee,
Frank, Hawki, Rolando, Don et al) who would reject Christ have not
thought out their decision *logically*.

Would suggest you cast a glance at Bob Pastorio as a special example of
untruthfully eloquent self-worship (BTW, Bob remains in my prayers out
of Christian love) who is being driven to madness by my ignoring him
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?V29A236C9 and more recently
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V25D312E9). All this power belongs to God
who has judged Bob Pastorio with His Word
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?G33F51E69). All praises to Him, Whom I
love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)

You will be in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love, in Christ's holy
name.

May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.

Please do consider the following as your logic should dictate before it
is too late:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

(Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His
presence known here on Usenet :-)

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

**
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Quoted message said:

And thus is the whine of every quack selling snake oil......

Well Hi there, Dougie, so nice to hear from you again. You don't mind me
calling you by your real name, do you?

Best close off those ports, Dougie.

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MU said:

Quoted message said:

And thus is the whine of every quack selling snake oil......

Well Hi there, Dougie, so nice to hear from you again. You don't mind me
calling you by your real name, do you?

Best close off those ports, Dougie.

You scurrilous [censored]. You hypocritical fraud.

You say that it's just usenet - playtime - and shouldn't be taken
seriously then you set about to deliberately cause harm in real life.

You are utterly immoral, dishonorable and without scruples. As much a
frivolous "Christian" as Chung who has done the same sorts of things.
You are both too contemptible to describe, with malice towards all...

Your corruption would gag a rat...

Bob

Quoted message said:

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The account details are:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

Don Kirkman said:

It seems to me I heard somewhere that Bob (this one) wrote in

article

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Quoted message said:

> Roger Zoul wrote:

Quoted message said:

>>Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Quoted message said:

>>:: The data is simple: *Everyone* who uses the 2PD Approach to

eat less

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>:: loses weight. The shift from "watching *what* you are eating"

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>:: "watching *how much* you are eating" appears to be the key to
>>:: permanent weight loss.

Quoted message said:

That's no data. That's puffery. Hucksterism. Snake oil sales.

That's

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

opinion based on an IMAX movie that Chung misunderstood.

Quoted message said:

>>:: This data has been publicly presented:

Quoted message said:

>>:: http://tinyurl.com/3pard

Quoted message said:

This URL takes you to a PDF that says:
HOW TO "CURE" METABOLIC SYNDROME (METS)
Metabolic Syndrome (MetS), which is a major predictor of
cardiovascular morbidity and mortality, is becoming increasingly

more

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

prevalent among women. The only known "cure" for MetS is

permanent

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

weight loss. However, despite a plethora of commercial diets being
sold to the public as ways of achieving weight loss, the national
trend of increasing adiposity is accelerating. In examining why

this

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

is happening, we are compelled to figure out how to stop it. The

2PD

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Approach incorporates these concepts into a method that allows a
mutually satisfying patient-physician collaboration to achieve the
permanent weight loss that has eluded millions in the U.S.
Andrew B. Chung, M.D., Ph.D, Cardiologist, Foundation Advisor,
WELLNESS FOUNDATION, INC., Atlanta, GA

Quoted message said:

That's all it says. No data. No facts. No studies. No historical
information. None of it.

The Wellness Foundation is a nationwide network of facilities

providing

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

hospice care and other *non-medical* services to *cancer* patients.

The

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

URL for the Atlanta facility is
http://www.thewellnesscommunity-atlanta.org/
and the phone number is 404-893-1880.

Quoted message said:

I love how when Chung is dealing with other doctors, he drops that
phony-baloney Dr. Andrew B. Chung MD/PhD credential double dip.

<LOL>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"Foundation advisor" sounds like he consults about underwear.

I couldn't locate a list of advisors on the web page or through a
directory search. I do wonder what a cardiologist would advise

about

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

for a facility that specializes in cancer patients and doesn't

provide

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

medical services.
--
Don
[email hidden]

It seems your choice is to continue to walk in the dark. That choice
remains an informed one. Such is the work that I have been called to
do.

It is written in Ephesians 2:

10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good
works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

All is a waste of time until you find the way to eternal life with

the

Quoted message said:

Creator of the universe. When you do, there is no waste of time

because

Quoted message said:

there will be an infinite amount of it. Walking about aimlessly
thinking it is *your* time, *your* money, *your* lot, *your* labor,
*your* profit, and *your* power that you are using is tantamount to
self-worship.

For Christ lights up the way through John 14:

6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one

comes

Quoted message said:

to the Father except through me..."

This bring us back again to the following very simple decision tree

for

Quoted message said:

the untruthful folks such as yourself, Don, who have chosen to walk

in

Quoted message said:

the "dark":

(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.

Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable

riches

Quoted message said:

in God's eternal kingdom.

(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.

Benefits: Nothing.

Again, one has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, Steve, Bob,

Zee,

Quoted message said:

Frank, Hawki, Rolando et al) who would reject Christ have not thought
out their decision *logically*.

Would suggest you cast a glance at Bob Pastorio as a special example

of

Quoted message said:

untruthfully eloquent self-worship (BTW, Bob remains in my prayers

out

Quoted message said:

of Christian love) who is being driven to madness by my ignoring him
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?V29A236C9 and more recently
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V25D312E9). All this power belongs to

God

Quoted message said:

who has judged Bob Pastorio with His Word
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?G33F51E69). All praises to Him, Whom I
love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)

You will be in my prayers, dear Don whom I love, in Christ's holy

name.

Quoted message said:

May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so

that

Quoted message said:

you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you

die.

Quoted message said:

Please do consider the following as your logic should dictate before

it

Quoted message said:

is too late:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

(Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He

is

Quoted message said:

the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2

which

Quoted message said:

is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the

2

Quoted message said:

arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of

the

Quoted message said:

Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and

the

Quoted message said:

2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make

His

Quoted message said:

presence known here on Usenet :-)

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

**
Who is the humblest person in the universe?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048

What is all this about?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48

Is this spam?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867

Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

Don Kirkman said:

It seems to me I heard somewhere that Bob (this one) wrote in

article

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Quoted message said:

> Roger Zoul wrote:

Quoted message said:

>>Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Quoted message said:

>>:: The data is simple: *Everyone* who uses the 2PD Approach to

eat less

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>:: loses weight. The shift from "watching *what* you are eating"

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>:: "watching *how much* you are eating" appears to be the key to
>>:: permanent weight loss.

Quoted message said:

That's no data. That's puffery. Hucksterism. Snake oil sales.

That's

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

opinion based on an IMAX movie that Chung misunderstood.

Quoted message said:

>>:: This data has been publicly presented:

Quoted message said:

>>:: http://tinyurl.com/3pard

Quoted message said:

This URL takes you to a PDF that says:
HOW TO "CURE" METABOLIC SYNDROME (METS)
Metabolic Syndrome (MetS), which is a major predictor of
cardiovascular morbidity and mortality, is becoming increasingly

more

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

prevalent among women. The only known "cure" for MetS is

permanent

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

weight loss. However, despite a plethora of commercial diets being
sold to the public as ways of achieving weight loss, the national
trend of increasing adiposity is accelerating. In examining why

this

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

is happening, we are compelled to figure out how to stop it. The

2PD

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Approach incorporates these concepts into a method that allows a
mutually satisfying patient-physician collaboration to achieve the
permanent weight loss that has eluded millions in the U.S.
Andrew B. Chung, M.D., Ph.D, Cardiologist, Foundation Advisor,
WELLNESS FOUNDATION, INC., Atlanta, GA

Quoted message said:

That's all it says. No data. No facts. No studies. No historical
information. None of it.

The Wellness Foundation is a nationwide network of facilities

providing

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

hospice care and other *non-medical* services to *cancer* patients.

The

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

URL for the Atlanta facility is
http://www.thewellnesscommunity-atlanta.org/
and the phone number is 404-893-1880.

Quoted message said:

I love how when Chung is dealing with other doctors, he drops that
phony-baloney Dr. Andrew B. Chung MD/PhD credential double dip.

<LOL>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"Foundation advisor" sounds like he consults about underwear.

I couldn't locate a list of advisors on the web page or through a
directory search. I do wonder what a cardiologist would advise

about

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

for a facility that specializes in cancer patients and doesn't

provide

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

medical services.
--
Don
[email hidden]

It seems your choice is to continue to walk in the dark. That choice
remains an informed one. Such is the work that I have been called to
do.

It is written in Ephesians 2:

10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good
works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

All is a waste of time until you find the way to eternal life with

the

Quoted message said:

Creator of the universe. When you do, there is no waste of time

because

Quoted message said:

there will be an infinite amount of it. Walking about aimlessly
thinking it is *your* time, *your* money, *your* lot, *your* labor,
*your* profit, and *your* power that you are using is tantamount to
self-worship.

For Christ lights up the way through John 14:

6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one

comes

Quoted message said:

to the Father except through me..."

This bring us back again to the following very simple decision tree

for

Quoted message said:

the untruthful folks such as yourself, Don, who have chosen to walk

in

Quoted message said:

the "dark":

(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.

Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable

riches

Quoted message said:

in God's eternal kingdom.

(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.

Benefits: Nothing.

Again, one has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, Steve, Bob,

Zee,

Quoted message said:

Frank, Hawki, Rolando et al) who would reject Christ have not thought
out their decision *logically*.

Would suggest you cast a glance at Bob Pastorio as a special example

of

Quoted message said:

untruthfully eloquent self-worship (BTW, Bob remains in my prayers

out

Quoted message said:

of Christian love) who is being driven to madness by my ignoring him
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?V29A236C9 and more recently
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V25D312E9). All this power belongs to

God

Quoted message said:

who has judged Bob Pastorio with His Word
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?G33F51E69). All praises to Him, Whom I
love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)

You will be in my prayers, dear Don whom I love, in Christ's holy

name.

Quoted message said:

May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so

that

Quoted message said:

you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you

die.

Quoted message said:

Please do consider the following as your logic should dictate before

it

Quoted message said:

is too late:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

(Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He

is

Quoted message said:

the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2

which

Quoted message said:

is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the

2

Quoted message said:

arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of

the

Quoted message said:

Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and

the

Quoted message said:

2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make

His

Quoted message said:

presence known here on Usenet :-)

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

**
Who is the humblest person in the universe?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048

What is all this about?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48

Is this spam?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867

Uh, I am not sure what is happening on this group, but I saw some stuff
about weight loss. I read an article today on this new site that I
found... www.dailynewscentral.net

Was wondering about this news study that said the less you sleep, the
more you gain weight. Seems true to me... Between work, family and
everything else, don't get much sleep, but have gotten a few new
pounds. I try to eat pretty good though, so at least in may case it
seems like it might be tur anybody know??

Mike

Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

Don Kirkman said:

It seems to me I heard somewhere that Bob (this one) wrote in

article

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Quoted message said:

> Roger Zoul wrote:

Quoted message said:

>>Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Quoted message said:

>>:: The data is simple: *Everyone* who uses the 2PD Approach to

eat less

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>:: loses weight. The shift from "watching *what* you are eating"

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>:: "watching *how much* you are eating" appears to be the key to
>>:: permanent weight loss.

Quoted message said:

That's no data. That's puffery. Hucksterism. Snake oil sales.

That's

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

opinion based on an IMAX movie that Chung misunderstood.

Quoted message said:

>>:: This data has been publicly presented:

Quoted message said:

>>:: http://tinyurl.com/3pard

Quoted message said:

This URL takes you to a PDF that says:
HOW TO "CURE" METABOLIC SYNDROME (METS)
Metabolic Syndrome (MetS), which is a major predictor of
cardiovascular morbidity and mortality, is becoming increasingly

more

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

prevalent among women. The only known "cure" for MetS is

permanent

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

weight loss. However, despite a plethora of commercial diets being
sold to the public as ways of achieving weight loss, the national
trend of increasing adiposity is accelerating. In examining why

this

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

is happening, we are compelled to figure out how to stop it. The

2PD

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Approach incorporates these concepts into a method that allows a
mutually satisfying patient-physician collaboration to achieve the
permanent weight loss that has eluded millions in the U.S.
Andrew B. Chung, M.D., Ph.D, Cardiologist, Foundation Advisor,
WELLNESS FOUNDATION, INC., Atlanta, GA

Quoted message said:

That's all it says. No data. No facts. No studies. No historical
information. None of it.

The Wellness Foundation is a nationwide network of facilities

providing

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

hospice care and other *non-medical* services to *cancer* patients.

The

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

URL for the Atlanta facility is
http://www.thewellnesscommunity-atlanta.org/
and the phone number is 404-893-1880.

Quoted message said:

I love how when Chung is dealing with other doctors, he drops that
phony-baloney Dr. Andrew B. Chung MD/PhD credential double dip.

<LOL>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"Foundation advisor" sounds like he consults about underwear.

I couldn't locate a list of advisors on the web page or through a
directory search. I do wonder what a cardiologist would advise

about

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

for a facility that specializes in cancer patients and doesn't

provide

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

medical services.
--
Don
[email hidden]

It seems your choice is to continue to walk in the dark. That choice
remains an informed one. Such is the work that I have been called to
do.

It is written in Ephesians 2:

10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good
works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

All is a waste of time until you find the way to eternal life with

the

Quoted message said:

Creator of the universe. When you do, there is no waste of time

because

Quoted message said:

there will be an infinite amount of it. Walking about aimlessly
thinking it is *your* time, *your* money, *your* lot, *your* labor,
*your* profit, and *your* power that you are using is tantamount to
self-worship.

For Christ lights up the way through John 14:

6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one

comes

Quoted message said:

to the Father except through me..."

This bring us back again to the following very simple decision tree

for

Quoted message said:

the untruthful folks such as yourself, Don, who have chosen to walk

in

Quoted message said:

the "dark":

(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.

Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable

riches

Quoted message said:

in God's eternal kingdom.

(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.

Benefits: Nothing.

Again, one has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, Steve, Bob,

Zee,

Quoted message said:

Frank, Hawki, Rolando et al) who would reject Christ have not thought
out their decision *logically*.

Would suggest you cast a glance at Bob Pastorio as a special example

of

Quoted message said:

untruthfully eloquent self-worship (BTW, Bob remains in my prayers

out

Quoted message said:

of Christian love) who is being driven to madness by my ignoring him
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?V29A236C9 and more recently
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V25D312E9). All this power belongs to

God

Quoted message said:

who has judged Bob Pastorio with His Word
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?G33F51E69). All praises to Him, Whom I
love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)

You will be in my prayers, dear Don whom I love, in Christ's holy

name.

Quoted message said:

May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so

that

Quoted message said:

you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you

die.

Quoted message said:

Please do consider the following as your logic should dictate before

it

Quoted message said:

is too late:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

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2

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Uh, I am not sure what is happening on this group, but I saw some stuff
about weight loss. I read an article today on this new site that I
found... www.dailynewscentral.net

Was wondering about this news study that said the less you sleep, the
more you gain weight. Seems true to me... Between work, family and
everything else, don't get much sleep, but have gotten a few new
pounds. I try to eat pretty good though, so at least in may case it
seems like it might be tur anybody know??

It's the eating. If you are tired (from not sleeping), the tendency is
to eat more.

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In news:[email hidden],
[email hidden] <[email hidden]> stated
| Uh, I am not sure what is happening on this group, but I saw some
| stuff about weight loss. I read an article today on this new site
| that I found... www.dailynewscentral.net
|
| Was wondering about this news study that said the less you sleep, the
| more you gain weight. Seems true to me... Between work, family and
| everything else, don't get much sleep, but have gotten a few new
| pounds. I try to eat pretty good though, so at least in may case it
| seems like it might be tur anybody know??
|
| Mike
|

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It's the eating. If you are tired (from not sleeping), the tendency is
to eat more.

If for no other reason than you are awake more and usually when nothing
much is going on.

"> It's the eating. If you are tired (from not sleeping), the tendency is

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to eat more.

If for no other reason than you are awake more and usually when nothing
much is going on."

I think he was referring to the recent news stories reporting research
showing a difference in the production of the two hormones which either
promote or not the feeling of having had enough food. It appeared in
several places, here is one:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=17420

The less you sleep, the more you may gain. So say Stanford University
School of Medicine researchers, who found in a recent study that sleep
loss leads to higher levels of a hormone that triggers appetite, lower
levels of a hormone that tells your body it's full and an increased
body mass index."

"Yes. Increased appetite/hunger leads to eating more for those who are
not limiting their intake (ie watching how much they are eating)."

I think you fail to see the full picture. With differences in sleep there
are different levels of the counter balancing leptin and ghrelin. There
is a great deal of research being done on this part of the weight status
question just now. In this research there is a 15 percent difference based
on the sleep part alone for the production of these hormones. Just saying
that one who eats more will gain weight because they are hungary is a bit
of a tautology. What this research shows is that for the same anount of
food but with sleep differences and differential hormones, two different
people can have significant differences in the hunger, or not, impulse.

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"> It's the eating. If you are tired (from not sleeping), the tendency is

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to eat more.

If for no other reason than you are awake more and usually when nothing
much is going on."

I think he was referring to the recent news stories reporting research
showing a difference in the production of the two hormones which either
promote or not the feeling of having had enough food. It appeared in
several places, here is one:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=17420

The less you sleep, the more you may gain. So say Stanford University
School of Medicine researchers, who found in a recent study that sleep
loss leads to higher levels of a hormone that triggers appetite, lower
levels of a hormone that tells your body it's full and an increased
body mass index."

Yes. Increased appetite/hunger leads to eating more for those who are
not limiting their intake (ie watching how much they are eating).

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All I did was mention that I had a disappointing diet week. It's amazing
how this discussion digressed and evolved (devolved?). 🙂

doug

" It is not the feeling of hunger that causes the weight gain. Indeed
the study underscores the fact that the amount of hunger one may feel does
not help one determine when and how much to eat. Here, folks should sleep
instead of eating more since what they lack is actually sleep and not
energy stores." Of course not and nothing was said to that effect. But
feeling hungary or disappearence of same is related to what people are
likely to consume amount wise. The hormone feedback loop misleads when
levels are abnormal and obscures correct tracking of amount of food eaten
and hunger as signal. In research where the hormones are prevented
getting to the brain, or in people where little does naturally, they will
continue to eat because the feedback never or weakly appears. This was the
findings of recent research showing that in very obese people the hormone
doesn't get to the brain but when weight is lost, especially belly fat
which is a source of these hormones, normal signally to the brain resumes.
In people where level corresponds well to amount consumed people stop
eating more in accordance with energy needs and weight is not problem.
This research shows that sleep status is also related to levels
independent of other factors.

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"Yes. Increased appetite/hunger leads to eating more for those who are
not limiting their intake (ie watching how much they are eating)."

I think you fail to see the full picture. With differences in sleep there
are different levels of the counter balancing leptin and ghrelin. There
is a great deal of research being done on this part of the weight status
question just now. In this research there is a 15 percent difference based
on the sleep part alone for the production of these hormones. Just saying
that one who eats more will gain weight because they are hungary is a bit
of a tautology. What this research shows is that for the same anount of
food but with sleep differences and differential hormones, two different
people can have significant differences in the hunger, or not, impulse.

It is not the feeling of hunger that causes the weight gain. Indeed
the study underscores the fact that the amount of hunger one may feel
does not help one determine when and how much to eat. Here, folks
should sleep instead of eating more since what they lack is actually
sleep and not energy stores.
If you choose to befriend hunger because you are not afraid of it (No
one has ever died from hunger. Indeed, folks dying from starvation are
not hungry) and see it for what it is, a beneficial indicator of overall
good health and energy balance, in the setting of knowing that you are
eating an adequate amount (ie the 2PD Approach), you will be in a
position to choose not to eat more despite the increased hunger from the
"stress" of fatigue, sleep deprivation, pain, or anxiety. It is easier
to make this choice when you recognize that there are many forces at
work to make you believe that when you feel the least bit hungry that
"you feel like you are starving" (quoting friends and family) or that
"you gotta eat" (quoting a commercial).

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Andrew

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