A disappointing week

Doug Lerner wrote:
|| <sigh>
||
|| After going down from 121 to 120 to 119.5 and then not checking my
|| weight for a week last week it had dropped to 118.0. Great, I
|| thought.
||
|| So a week later I checked my weight again and this morning it was
|| 120 again!
||
|| I was following low-carb religiously this past week...
||
|| Very depressing.
||
|| Well, just another bit of evidence that low-carb by itself does not
|| let
|| you lose weight. You have to count the calories too.
||
|| That's what I mean when I say that as far as weight loss goes *all*
|| low-carb does is help you control your appetite somewhat. Period.
|| Other claims beyond that are deceptive, I truly believe.
||
|| Now I just have to find the will-power to add calorie-counting to my
|| diet again.

It were easy then everyone would be bone thin slugs. 🙂

Or perhaps evidence that weight loss is not a straight line process, you
could easily be retaining more water today than at your low.

In news:[email hidden],
Doug Lerner <[email hidden]> stated
| <sigh>
|
| After going down from 121 to 120 to 119.5 and then not checking my
| weight for a week last week it had dropped to 118.0. Great, I thought.
|
| So a week later I checked my weight again and this morning it was 120
| again!
|
| I was following low-carb religiously this past week...
|
| Very depressing.
|
| Well, just another bit of evidence that low-carb by itself does not
| let
| you lose weight. You have to count the calories too.
|
| That's what I mean when I say that as far as weight loss goes *all*
| low-carb does is help you control your appetite somewhat. Period.
| Other claims beyond that are deceptive, I truly believe.
|
| Now I just have to find the will-power to add calorie-counting to my
| diet again.
|
| <sigh>
|
| doug

Of course!

It must be Dougie's time of the month.

Brilliant!

--
Now [censored]. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to
breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen

"FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Or perhaps evidence that weight loss is not a straight line process, you
could easily be retaining more water today than at your low.

In news:[email hidden],
Doug Lerner <[email hidden]> stated
| <sigh>
|
| After going down from 121 to 120 to 119.5 and then not checking my
| weight for a week last week it had dropped to 118.0. Great, I thought.
|
| So a week later I checked my weight again and this morning it was 120
| again!
|
| I was following low-carb religiously this past week...
|
| Very depressing.
|
| Well, just another bit of evidence that low-carb by itself does not
| let
| you lose weight. You have to count the calories too.
|
| That's what I mean when I say that as far as weight loss goes *all*
| low-carb does is help you control your appetite somewhat. Period.
| Other claims beyond that are deceptive, I truly believe.
|
| Now I just have to find the will-power to add calorie-counting to my
| diet again.
|
| <sigh>
|
| doug

Two kg of water?! 🙂

I'll take an average over a few days to see.

doug@not my time of the month 🙂

FOB said:

Or perhaps evidence that weight loss is not a straight line process, you
could easily be retaining more water today than at your low.

In news:[email hidden],
Doug Lerner <[email hidden]> stated
| <sigh>
|
| After going down from 121 to 120 to 119.5 and then not checking my
| weight for a week last week it had dropped to 118.0. Great, I thought.
|
| So a week later I checked my weight again and this morning it was 120
| again!
|
| I was following low-carb religiously this past week...
|
| Very depressing.
|
| Well, just another bit of evidence that low-carb by itself does not
| let
| you lose weight. You have to count the calories too.
|
| That's what I mean when I say that as far as weight loss goes *all*
| low-carb does is help you control your appetite somewhat. Period.
| Other claims beyond that are deceptive, I truly believe.
|
| Now I just have to find the will-power to add calorie-counting to my
| diet again.
|
| <sigh>
|
| doug

On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 12:58:11 +0900, Doug Lerner <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Two kg of water?! 🙂

I'll take an average over a few days to see.

doug@not my time of the month 🙂

If you've been eating salty things lately - cured meats, cheeses,
salted nuts - it's not beyond the realm of possibility.

We women manage it on a regular basis, and it passes. I don't see why
you men shouldn't have to deal sometimes too.

Aramanth

Aramanth Dawe said:

On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 12:58:11 +0900, Doug Lerner <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Two kg of water?! 🙂

I'll take an average over a few days to see.

doug@not my time of the month 🙂

If you've been eating salty things lately - cured meats, cheeses,
salted nuts - it's not beyond the realm of possibility.

We women manage it on a regular basis, and it passes. I don't see why
you men shouldn't have to deal sometimes too.

Aramanth

My hubby can gain ten pounds overnight from eating Chinese food, then
lose all of it the next day. Anything is possible!

Christy

"Doug Lerner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

<sigh>

After going down from 121 to 120 to 119.5 and then not checking my weight
for a week last week it had dropped to 118.0. Great, I thought.

So a week later I checked my weight again and this morning it was 120
again!

I was following low-carb religiously this past week...

Very depressing.

Well, just another bit of evidence that low-carb by itself does not let
you lose weight. You have to count the calories too.

That's what I mean when I say that as far as weight loss goes *all*
low-carb does is help you control your appetite somewhat. Period. Other
claims beyond that are deceptive, I truly believe.

Now I just have to find the will-power to add calorie-counting to my diet
again.

<sigh>

doug

Geez. What FOB said.

I gain and lose as much as five pounds over a few days, but that's my body.
None of us are perfect machines that respond to a particular way of doing
things, and in fact, I do believe that most of our bodies are designed to
fight against weight loss.

Following a program takes almost religious adherence, and if you don't want
to eat according to anyone's plan, don't do it and don't apologize for it.
Find out what works for you.

Let us know, too, what works best for you. We're all as blind as anyone
else when it comes to controlling weight.

"Doug Lerner" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

<sigh>
After going down from 121 to 120 to 119.5 and then not checking my weight
for a week last week it had dropped to 118.0. Great, I thought. So a week
later I checked my weight again and this morning it was 120 again! I was
following low-carb religiously this past week... Very depressing. Well,
just another bit of evidence that low-carb by itself does not let you lose
weight. You have to count the calories too. That's what I mean when I say
that as far as weight loss goes *all* low-carb does is help you control
your appetite somewhat. Period. Other claims beyond that are deceptive, I
truly believe.
Now I just have to find the will-power to add calorie-counting to my diet
again. <sigh>
doug

That's just terrible! I'll bet you are so miserable being that weight, just
so depressing! Low carb really let you down. What does your doctor say you
should weigh? According to Metropolitan Life's charts you must be way under
5" tall. Being a little person myself, I know how some rules don't apply to
us. We must eat tiny potions of what others can eat and exercise a lot. Less
is more and more is less.

Hugs,
Julia

Julia Winston said:

That's just terrible! I'll bet you are so miserable being that
weight, just so depressing! Low carb really let you down. What does
your doctor say you should weigh? According to Metropolitan Life's
charts you must be way under 5" tall. Being a little person myself, I
know how some rules don't apply to us. We must eat tiny potions of
what others can eat and exercise a lot. Less is more and more is less.

I believe he's talking kg not pounds.

Jeri said:

Julia Winston said:

That's just terrible! I'll bet you are so miserable being that
weight, just so depressing! Low carb really let you down. What does
your doctor say you should weigh? According to Metropolitan Life's
charts you must be way under 5" tall. Being a little person myself,

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

know how some rules don't apply to us. We must eat tiny potions of
what others can eat and exercise a lot. Less is more and more is

less.

Quoted message said:

I believe he's talking kg not pounds.

Doug thinks controlling calories would have made a difference. This
may be true if one were eating with abandon. However, there are lots
of people following a low calorie diet that have the exact same
experience, where weight loss stall or goes back up a couple pounds
over a few weeks.

As for there being nothing to LC except the loss that comes as a direct
result of calorie reduction, weren't there a couple of recent studies
that showed those on LC lost the same amount or more while eating more
calories than those on low cal?

[email hidden] wrote:
|| Jeri wrote:
||| Julia Winston <[email hidden]> wrote:
|||| That's just terrible! I'll bet you are so miserable being that
|||| weight, just so depressing! Low carb really let you down. What does
|||| your doctor say you should weigh? According to Metropolitan Life's
|||| charts you must be way under 5" tall. Being a little person
|||| myself, I know how some rules don't apply to us. We must eat tiny
|||| potions of what others can eat and exercise a lot. Less is more
|||| and more is less.
|||
||| I believe he's talking kg not pounds.
||
||
|| Doug thinks controlling calories would have made a difference. This
|| may be true if one were eating with abandon. However, there are lots
|| of people following a low calorie diet that have the exact same
|| experience, where weight loss stall or goes back up a couple pounds
|| over a few weeks.

Why do people speak of low carb and low cal as though they are exclusive?
Most of the time they are not. Low carb is simply a means of eating less by
limiting carbs to remove BG-swing induced appetite. It is not magic per se
and one may still need an extra way of controlling the amount of
consumption, such as counting calories, in order to lose weight and
espeically to make sure the scale moves downward in a steady fashion, which
seems to be what doug wants to happen.

||
|| As for there being nothing to LC except the loss that comes as a
|| direct result of calorie reduction, weren't there a couple of recent
|| studies that showed those on LC lost the same amount or more while
|| eating more calories than those on low cal?

I remember one such study but it was funded by Aktins.

There are many benefits to LC, but I think doug was speaking in terms of
weight loss only.

I am easily 1 to 2 kg heavier after I've eaten my dinner because I drink tons of
water / milk (not exactly low carb, I know I know) while I eat my meal.

Another factor might be the room temprature. Now that it's winter, sometimes
the temprerature in my flat goes down to 10-13 degree celcius and my low tech
bathroom scale goes +/-1 kg depending on whether my heater is off/on.

Doug Lerner said:

Two kg of water?! 🙂

I'll take an average over a few days to see.

doug@not my time of the month 🙂

FOB said:

Or perhaps evidence that weight loss is not a straight line process, you
could easily be retaining more water today than at your low.

In news:[email hidden],
Doug Lerner <[email hidden]> stated
| <sigh>
|
| After going down from 121 to 120 to 119.5 and then not checking my
| weight for a week last week it had dropped to 118.0. Great, I thought.
|
| So a week later I checked my weight again and this morning it was 120
| again!
|
| I was following low-carb religiously this past week...
|
| Very depressing.
|
| Well, just another bit of evidence that low-carb by itself does not
| let
| you lose weight. You have to count the calories too.
|
| That's what I mean when I say that as far as weight loss goes *all*
| low-carb does is help you control your appetite somewhat. Period.
| Other claims beyond that are deceptive, I truly believe.
|
| Now I just have to find the will-power to add calorie-counting to my
| diet again.
|
| <sigh>
|
| doug

I am 5'3 and can gain 6 pounds overnight if I do not watch the salt
and sodium laced foods. I can also very *easily* put on fat if I
cheat.

Doug Lerner said:

<sigh>

After going down from 121 to 120 to 119.5 and then not checking my
weight for a week last week it had dropped to 118.0. Great, I thought.

So a week later I checked my weight again and this morning it was 120
again!

I was following low-carb religiously this past week...

Very depressing.

Well, just another bit of evidence that low-carb by itself does not let
you lose weight. You have to count the calories too.

That's what I mean when I say that as far as weight loss goes *all*
low-carb does is help you control your appetite somewhat. Period. Other
claims beyond that are deceptive, I truly believe.

Now I just have to find the will-power to add calorie-counting to my
diet again.

<sigh>

doug

You make no mention of your height. Nor do you say what you were doing
last week.

I am not a strict low carber. I use a lot of the principles involved
with it, but do eat things like brown rice and oatmeal and I drink milk.

I also hit the gym 6~7 times a week with full body weight routines at
least 3x a week. In the first four weeks I was back at the gym I watched
my scale weight drop 5lbs/2.2kgs and then climb 15lbs/6.8kgs.

Depressing, yes. But I also knew that a lot of that was lean body mass
and *water in the muscle*. (see creatine usage)

In having my bf% done I have cut about 5% off my total bf% in the 8
weeks that I have been back at watching what I eat and working out. I
have gained a net 5lbs/2.2kgs of scale weight at the same time.

All things are relative. I know that the waistband of my pants is
slightly looser and that when I sit (with poor posture) at my desk there
is less of me between my pecs and abs, so I have to choose to ignore the
little voice in my head that says "I should just bag it and eat a carton
of ice cream when the scale does what it has been doing because nothing
is working anyway."

This is why my goals are based on bf% and scale weights, not scale
weights alone. I can change the scale weight drastically based on how
much water I drink/don't drink that day.

--
Lurker

300_30%_31yo/this space blank until 1_14_05/245_15%_32yo
Miracle of Medicine
http://jamesrobert.us

Or he ate something unusually salty.

In news:[email hidden],
JC Der Koenig <[email hidden]> stated
| Of course!
|
| It must be Dougie's time of the month.
|
| Brilliant!
|
| --
| Now [censored]. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to
| breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen
|
|
| "FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
| news:[email hidden]...
|| Or perhaps evidence that weight loss is not a straight line process,
|| you could easily be retaining more water today than at your low.
||

FOB wrote:
|| Or he ate something unusually salty.

Doug is not new to dieting....surely he must have a clue about such things
by now...

Roger Zoul said:

Why do people speak of low carb and low cal as though they are exclusive?
Most of the time they are not. Low carb is simply a means of eating less by
limiting carbs to remove BG-swing induced appetite. It is not magic per se

Zoul, in the real world outside of Usenet, Low-carb has been marketed as
magic. People like Doug, even though they come here, haven't clued up about
the lie.

The lie is based on the illogical but very appealing premise that you can
eat anything you want except <insert "bad" carb>. Why do you think Atkins
sold so well? Because it worked for the long term? Hell, no. It sold to
people who would rather have [censored] instead of truth and weight loss on their
terms instead of thermogenic physics.

Weight loss/gain is amd always will be about consumption and consumption is
and always will be controlled by those who have learned to consume less.
Period.

From his posts here over time I don't think so. One persistent trait that
he exhibits is overreaction to small fluctuations in weight.

In news:[email hidden],
Roger Zoul <[email hidden]> stated
| FOB wrote:
||| Or he ate something unusually salty.
|
| Doug is not new to dieting....surely he must have a clue about such
| things by now...

FOB said:

One persistent trait that
he exhibits is overreaction to small fluctuations in weight.

If he sees consistent fluctuations but an overall decline, he needs to grow
up and quit whining.

Weight loss is not linear. Life is not linear.