A disappointing week

Don Kirkman said:

It seems to me I heard somewhere that Bob (this one) wrote in article
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Roger Zoul wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>:: The data is simple: *Everyone* who uses the 2PD Approach to eat less
>:: loses weight. The shift from "watching *what* you are eating" to
>:: "watching *how much* you are eating" appears to be the key to
>:: permanent weight loss.

Quoted message said:

That's no data. That's puffery. Hucksterism. Snake oil sales. That's
opinion based on an IMAX movie that Chung misunderstood.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>:: This data has been publicly presented:

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>:: http://tinyurl.com/3pard

Quoted message said:

This URL takes you to a PDF that says:
HOW TO “CURE” METABOLIC SYNDROME (METS)
Metabolic Syndrome (MetS), which is a major predictor of
cardiovascular morbidity and mortality, is becoming increasingly more
prevalent among women. The only known “cure” for MetS is permanent
weight loss. However, despite a plethora of commercial diets being
sold to the public as ways of achieving weight loss, the national
trend of increasing adiposity is accelerating. In examining why this
is happening, we are compelled to figure out how to stop it. The 2PD
Approach incorporates these concepts into a method that allows a
mutually satisfying patient-physician collaboration to achieve the
permanent weight loss that has eluded millions in the U.S.
Andrew B. Chung, M.D., Ph.D, Cardiologist, Foundation Advisor,
WELLNESS FOUNDATION, INC., Atlanta, GA

Quoted message said:

That's all it says. No data. No facts. No studies. No historical
information. None of it.

The Wellness Foundation is a nationwide network of facilities providing
hospice care and other *non-medical* services to *cancer* patients. The
URL for the Atlanta facility is
http://www.thewellnesscommunity-atlanta.org/
and the phone number is 404-893-1880.

Quoted message said:

I love how when Chung is dealing with other doctors, he drops that
phony-baloney Dr. Andrew B. Chung MD/PhD credential double dip. <LOL>
"Foundation advisor" sounds like he consults about underwear.

I couldn't locate a list of advisors on the web page or through a
directory search. I do wonder what a cardiologist would advise about
for a facility that specializes in cancer patients and doesn't provide
medical services.

He likely advises them about his profound love for all humanity and
how the bible is absolutely accurate in all translations and every
particular and how 2 pounds of food per day is enough for everybody
and how he's Christ's voice in usenet. See how useful his position on
that board could be for oncology patients?

Me neither.

Bob

Don Kirkman said:

It seems to me I heard somewhere that Bob (this one) wrote in article
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Roger Zoul wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>:: The data is simple: *Everyone* who uses the 2PD Approach to eat less
>:: loses weight. The shift from "watching *what* you are eating" to
>:: "watching *how much* you are eating" appears to be the key to
>:: permanent weight loss.

Quoted message said:

That's no data. That's puffery. Hucksterism. Snake oil sales. That's
opinion based on an IMAX movie that Chung misunderstood.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>:: This data has been publicly presented:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>:: http://tinyurl.com/3pard

Quoted message said:

This URL takes you to a PDF that says:
HOW TO “CURE” METABOLIC SYNDROME (METS)
Metabolic Syndrome (MetS), which is a major predictor of
cardiovascular morbidity and mortality, is becoming increasingly more
prevalent among women. The only known “cure” for MetS is permanent
weight loss. However, despite a plethora of commercial diets being
sold to the public as ways of achieving weight loss, the national
trend of increasing adiposity is accelerating. In examining why this
is happening, we are compelled to figure out how to stop it. The 2PD
Approach incorporates these concepts into a method that allows a
mutually satisfying patient-physician collaboration to achieve the
permanent weight loss that has eluded millions in the U.S.
Andrew B. Chung, M.D., Ph.D, Cardiologist, Foundation Advisor,
WELLNESS FOUNDATION, INC., Atlanta, GA

Quoted message said:

That's all it says. No data. No facts. No studies. No historical
information. None of it.

The Wellness Foundation is a nationwide network of facilities providing
hospice care and other *non-medical* services to *cancer* patients. The
URL for the Atlanta facility is
http://www.thewellnesscommunity-atlanta.org/
and the phone number is 404-893-1880.

Quoted message said:

I love how when Chung is dealing with other doctors, he drops that
phony-baloney Dr. Andrew B. Chung MD/PhD credential double dip. <LOL>
"Foundation advisor" sounds like he consults about underwear.

I couldn't locate a list of advisors on the web page or through a
directory search. I do wonder what a cardiologist would advise about
for a facility that specializes in cancer patients and doesn't provide
medical services.
--
Don
[email hidden]

It seems your choice is to continue to walk in the dark. That choice
remains an informed one. Such is the work that I have been called to
do.

It is written in Ephesians 2:

10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good
works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

All is a waste of time until you find the way to eternal life with the
Creator of the universe. When you do, there is no waste of time because
there will be an infinite amount of it. Walking about aimlessly
thinking it is *your* time, *your* money, *your* lot, *your* labor,
*your* profit, and *your* power that you are using is tantamount to
self-worship.

For Christ lights up the way through John 14:

6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes
to the Father except through me..."

This bring us back again to the following very simple decision tree for
the untruthful folks such as yourself, Don, who have chosen to walk in
the "dark":

(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.

Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
in God's eternal kingdom.

(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.

Benefits: Nothing.

Again, one has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, Steve, Bob, Zee,
Frank, Hawki, Rolando et al) who would reject Christ have not thought
out their decision *logically*.

Would suggest you cast a glance at Bob Pastorio as a special example of
untruthfully eloquent self-worship (BTW, Bob remains in my prayers out
of Christian love) who is being driven to madness by my ignoring him
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?V29A236C9 and more recently
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V25D312E9). All this power belongs to God
who has judged Bob Pastorio with His Word
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?G33F51E69). All praises to Him, Whom I
love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)

You will be in my prayers, dear Don whom I love, in Christ's holy name.

May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.

Please do consider the following as your logic should dictate before it
is too late:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

(Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His
presence known here on Usenet :-)

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:1102255158.UsVjH/DfbsmiEq56BImI4Q@teranews...

<snipped a whole pantload of off-topic, irrelevant material>

You know, that's all well and good. Is it necessary to present all of
this dogma on a cooking newsgroup? Couldn't this appear on some
Jesus-based newsgroup instead?

--
"Life is hard. Life is harder when
you're stupid". - John Wayne

"Politics is war without bloodshed while
war is politics with bloodshed" - Mao Zedong

'99 FLHRCI

Remove 74 before replying.

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
||
||| Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
|||||
||||| The data is simple: *Everyone* who uses the 2PD Approach to eat
||||| less loses weight. The shift from "watching *what* you are
||||| eating" to "watching *how much* you are eating" appears to be the
||||| key to permanent weight loss.
|||||
||||| This data has been publicly presented:
|||||
||||| http://tinyurl.com/3pard
|||
||| Why not post your slides on your website so we can see your data?
||
|| If you have read the above, you have already seen the data. It is
|| written plainly enough.

I read the link above and the text above. Thus, I conclude that there is no
data.

||
|| Again, the skinny on the 2PD Approach:
||
|| http://tinyurl.com/2p7ud
||

Pizen said:

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:1102255158.UsVjH/DfbsmiEq56BImI4Q@teranews...

<snipped a whole pantload of off-topic, irrelevant material>

You know, that's all well and good. Is it necessary to present all of
this dogma on a cooking newsgroup? Couldn't this appear on some
Jesus-based newsgroup instead?

Such is God's will.

Such is the work He would have me do.

May you cook a meal that glorifies Lord Jesus Christ on His birthday :-)

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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Roger Zoul said:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
||
||| Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
|||||
||||| The data is simple: *Everyone* who uses the 2PD Approach to eat
||||| less loses weight. The shift from "watching *what* you are
||||| eating" to "watching *how much* you are eating" appears to be the
||||| key to permanent weight loss.
|||||
||||| This data has been publicly presented:
|||||
||||| http://tinyurl.com/3pard
|||
||| Why not post your slides on your website so we can see your data?
||
|| If you have read the above, you have already seen the data. It is
|| written plainly enough.

I read the link above and the text above. Thus, I conclude that there is no
data.

Just because you do not like the data does not mean you are able to wish
it away.

Quoted message said:

||
|| Again, the skinny on the 2PD Approach:
||
|| http://tinyurl.com/2p7ud
||

You remain informed. Such is the work that I am called to do.

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
|||
||| Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
||||| Roger Zoul wrote:
|||||
|||||| Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
||||||||
|||||||| The data is simple: *Everyone* who uses the 2PD Approach to
|||||||| eat
|||||||| less loses weight. The shift from "watching *what* you are
|||||||| eating" to "watching *how much* you are eating" appears to be
|||||||| the
|||||||| key to permanent weight loss.
||||||||
|||||||| This data has been publicly presented:
||||||||
|||||||| http://tinyurl.com/3pard
||||||
|||||| Why not post your slides on your website so we can see your data?
|||||
||||| If you have read the above, you have already seen the data. It is
||||| written plainly enough.
|||
||| I read the link above and the text above. Thus, I conclude that
||| there is no data.
|||
||
|| Just because you do not like the data does not mean you are able to
|| wish
|| it away.

I didn't see any data. You're a PhD right, so you should know what data
are.

Roger Zoul said:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
|||
||| Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
||||| Roger Zoul wrote:
|||||
|||||| Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
||||||||
|||||||| The data is simple: *Everyone* who uses the 2PD Approach to
|||||||| eat
|||||||| less loses weight. The shift from "watching *what* you are
|||||||| eating" to "watching *how much* you are eating" appears to be
|||||||| the
|||||||| key to permanent weight loss.
||||||||
|||||||| This data has been publicly presented:
||||||||
|||||||| http://tinyurl.com/3pard
||||||
|||||| Why not post your slides on your website so we can see your data?
|||||
||||| If you have read the above, you have already seen the data. It is
||||| written plainly enough.
|||
||| I read the link above and the text above. Thus, I conclude that
||| there is no data.
|||
||
|| Just because you do not like the data does not mean you are able to
|| wish
|| it away.

I didn't see any data.

It seems you are blind.

Quoted message said:

You're a PhD right, so you should know what data
are.

I am a PhD, I do know what data are, and I see the data that you refuse
to see.

Such is the work that I have been called to do.

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
|||
||| Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
||||| Roger Zoul wrote:
||||||
|||||| Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
|||||||| Roger Zoul wrote:
||||||||
||||||||| Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
|||||||||||
||||||||||| The data is simple: *Everyone* who uses the 2PD Approach to
||||||||||| eat
||||||||||| less loses weight. The shift from "watching *what* you are
||||||||||| eating" to "watching *how much* you are eating" appears to
||||||||||| be the
||||||||||| key to permanent weight loss.
|||||||||||
||||||||||| This data has been publicly presented:
|||||||||||
||||||||||| http://tinyurl.com/3pard
|||||||||
||||||||| Why not post your slides on your website so we can see your
||||||||| data?
||||||||
|||||||| If you have read the above, you have already seen the data.
|||||||| It is written plainly enough.
||||||
|||||| I read the link above and the text above. Thus, I conclude that
|||||| there is no data.
||||||
|||||
||||| Just because you do not like the data does not mean you are able
||||| to wish
||||| it away.
|||
||| I didn't see any data.
||
|| It seems you are blind.
||
||| You're a PhD right, so you should know what data
||| are.
||
|| I am a PhD, I do know what data are, and I see the data that you
|| refuse to see.
||

There are no data at this site:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/twf/acius.pdf

and there are none in this post or the one I originally replied to, to which
you replied:

|||||||| If you have read the above, you have already seen the data.
|||||||| It is written plainly enough.

So, perhaps I have missed the data. If so, would you please be so kind as
to point me to it again so that I can be sure I am not simply missing it?
These replies can become convoluted. Thanks.

Roger Zoul said:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
|||
||| Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
||||| Roger Zoul wrote:
||||||
|||||| Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
|||||||| Roger Zoul wrote:
||||||||
||||||||| Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
|||||||||||
||||||||||| The data is simple: *Everyone* who uses the 2PD Approach to
||||||||||| eat
||||||||||| less loses weight. The shift from "watching *what* you are
||||||||||| eating" to "watching *how much* you are eating" appears to
||||||||||| be the
||||||||||| key to permanent weight loss.
|||||||||||
||||||||||| This data has been publicly presented:
|||||||||||
||||||||||| http://tinyurl.com/3pard
|||||||||
||||||||| Why not post your slides on your website so we can see your
||||||||| data?
||||||||
|||||||| If you have read the above, you have already seen the data.
|||||||| It is written plainly enough.
||||||
|||||| I read the link above and the text above. Thus, I conclude that
|||||| there is no data.
||||||
|||||
||||| Just because you do not like the data does not mean you are able
||||| to wish
||||| it away.
|||
||| I didn't see any data.
||
|| It seems you are blind.
||
||| You're a PhD right, so you should know what data
||| are.
||
|| I am a PhD, I do know what data are, and I see the data that you
|| refuse to see.
||

There are no data at this site:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/twf/acius.pdf

This would be a PDF file and not a site. The same data was presented at
the meeting described by the PDF file as has been described here and
elsewhere:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/press.asp

Quoted message said:

and there are none in this post or the one I originally replied to, to which
you replied:

|||||||| If you have read the above, you have already seen the data.
|||||||| It is written plainly enough.

So, perhaps I have missed the data.

It seems that you have.

Quoted message said:

If so, would you please be so kind as
to point me to it again so that I can be sure I am not simply missing it?

Certainly. Reread the top of this post.

Quoted message said:

These replies can become convoluted.

Such is the habit of the untruthful to obfuscate.

Quoted message said:

Thanks.

You are welcome.

All praises belong to my heavenly Father, Whom I love with all my heart,
soul, mind, and strength :-)

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
:::
::: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
::::: Roger Zoul wrote:
::::::
:::::: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
:::::::: Roger Zoul wrote:
:::::::::
::::::::: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
::::::::::: Roger Zoul wrote:
:::::::::::
:::::::::::: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
::::::::::::::
:::::::::::::: The data is simple: *Everyone* who uses the 2PD
:::::::::::::: Approach to eat
:::::::::::::: less loses weight. The shift from "watching *what* you
:::::::::::::: are eating" to "watching *how much* you are eating"
:::::::::::::: appears to be the
:::::::::::::: key to permanent weight loss.
::::::::::::::
:::::::::::::: This data has been publicly presented:
::::::::::::::
:::::::::::::: http://tinyurl.com/3pard
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: Why not post your slides on your website so we can see your
:::::::::::: data?
:::::::::::
::::::::::: If you have read the above, you have already seen the data.
::::::::::: It is written plainly enough.
:::::::::
::::::::: I read the link above and the text above. Thus, I conclude
::::::::: that there is no data.
:::::::::
::::::::
:::::::: Just because you do not like the data does not mean you are
:::::::: able to wish
:::::::: it away.
::::::
:::::: I didn't see any data.
:::::
::::: It seems you are blind.
:::::
:::::: You're a PhD right, so you should know what data
:::::: are.
:::::
::::: I am a PhD, I do know what data are, and I see the data that you
::::: refuse to see.
:::::
:::
::: There are no data at this site:
:::
::: http://www.heartmdphd.com/twf/acius.pdf
::
:: This would be a PDF file and not a site. The same data was
:: presented at the meeting described by the PDF file as has been
:: described here and elsewhere:

I asked for data not descriptions of data. You said there was data on the
site but now you're saying that the data has only be described.

::
:: http://www.heartmdphd.com/press.asp
::
::: and there are none in this post or the one I originally replied to,
::: to which you replied:
:::
::::::::::: If you have read the above, you have already seen the data.
::::::::::: It is written plainly enough.
:::
::: So, perhaps I have missed the data.
::
:: It seems that you have.

No, I have not. This statement is not data:

:::::::::::::: The data is simple: *Everyone* who uses the 2PD
:::::::::::::: Approach to eat
:::::::::::::: less loses weight. The shift from "watching *what* you
:::::::::::::: are eating" to "watching *how much* you are eating"
:::::::::::::: appears to be the
:::::::::::::: key to permanent weight loss.

::
::: If so, would you please be so kind as
::: to point me to it again so that I can be sure I am not simply
::: missing it?
::
:: Certainly. Reread the top of this post.

Yeah.

::
::: These replies can become convoluted.
::
:: Such is the habit of the untruthful to obfuscate.
::

Exactly.

::: Thanks.
::
:: You are welcome.
::
:: All praises belong to my heavenly Father, Whom I love with all my
:: heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)
::
::
:: Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
::
:: Andrew
::
:: --
:: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
:: Board-Certified Cardiologist
:: http://www.heartmdphd.com/
::
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The below is the answer to a longer exchange:

Quoted message said:

Just because you do not like the data does not mean you are able
||||| to wish
||||| it away.

"Data" becomes what he forces it by definition to be. The data is in it's
entirety the word "everyone". I put the above first to show how when in a
corner Chung will try a rhetorical language trick, he injects his
personality into the discussion. In particular, his reaction to any thing
that speaks of judgement about him, in this case the quality of the
"research" and how it reflects very badly upon him and the image he wants
to project about himself. His personality has nothing to do with the
absense, save the "word", of the fact that data as used and at the level
of quality used in valid scienctific research is not there. Worst, his
"experiement" fails just about every principle of valid research in bio
101 class. Here is the longer exchange on which the above is based:

Quoted message said:

The data is simple: *Everyone* who uses the 2PD Approach to
||||||||||| eat
||||||||||| less loses weight. The shift from "watching *what* you are
||||||||||| eating" to "watching *how much* you are eating" appears to
||||||||||| be the
||||||||||| key to permanent weight loss.
|||||||||||
||||||||||| This data has been publicly presented:
|||||||||||
||||||||||| http://tinyurl.com/3pard
|||||||||
||||||||| Why not post your slides on your website so we can see

your

Quoted message said:

||||||||| data?
||||||||
|||||||| If you have read the above, you have already seen the data.
|||||||| It is written plainly enough.
||||||
|||||| I read the link above and the text above. Thus, I conclude

that

Quoted message said:

|||||| there is no data.

Quoted message said:

::: http://www.heartmdphd.com/twf/acius.pdf
::
:: This would be a PDF file and not a site. The same data was
:: presented at the meeting described by the PDF file as has been
:: described here and elsewhere:

Roger Zoul said:

I asked for data not descriptions of data. You said there was data on the
site but now you're saying that the data has only be described.

This is exactly what I am talking about when you deal with folks who do not
have a research background yet want to argue about data. it's worthless and
a waste of time.

Zoul wants "data". Roger, data is nothing more than information and it can,
or cannot, be tied to research. If it is tied to research, you're out of
your league trying to interpolate it. What Andrew has provided is data in
the term of info. He, as I am, are well aware of whether it is research
oriented or not. He, not I, *can* investigate research, research
methodologies, citations and the like.

MU wrote:
:::::: http://www.heartmdphd.com/twf/acius.pdf
:::::
::::: This would be a PDF file and not a site. The same data was
::::: presented at the meeting described by the PDF file as has been
::::: described here and elsewhere:
::
:: On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:29:12 -0500, Roger Zoul wrote:
::
::: I asked for data not descriptions of data. You said there was data
::: on the site but now you're saying that the data has only be
::: described.
::
:: This is exactly what I am talking about when you deal with folks who
:: do not have a research background yet want to argue about data. it's
:: worthless and a waste of time.

Who doesn't have a research background? You?

::
:: Zoul wants "data".

Roger, data is nothing more than information and
:: it can, or cannot, be tied to research. If it is tied to research,
:: you're out of your league trying to interpolate it.

Who says so, you? Chung made a statement (which, in and of itself, is weak)
and supplied absolutely no data. One has no reason to believe his statements
as he has not provided any underlying support for them.

What Andrew has
:: provided is data in the term of info.

He said the data was provided and said that if one read his page it would be
there. It was not. He lied.

He, as I am, are well aware of
:: whether it is research oriented or not. He, not I, *can* investigate
:: research, research methodologies, citations and the like.

Please. You're simply a moron who quacks like a duck.

It ain't the data, it is the pretention of science and the plea for
relevance and recognition that is a problem. If one is reduced to word
play to maintain image, well, pride comes before fall. If one accepts
that level of quality of "data", then every quack with snake oil has all
the data you ask him to produce. What would friends at emory have to say
about the quality of this "data"?

"Sorry you don't like the data either (shrug)."

Quoted message said:

The below is the answer to a longer exchange:

Quoted message said:

Just because you do not like the data does not mean you are able
||||| to wish
||||| it away.

"Data" becomes what he forces it by definition to be.

Sorry you don't like the data either (shrug).

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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Roger Zoul said:

Who doesn't have a research background? You?

Correct and you know this.

Roger Zoul said:

:: Zoul wants "data".

Roger, data is nothing more than information and
:: it can, or cannot, be tied to research. If it is tied to research,
:: you're out of your league trying to interpolate it.

Roger Zoul said:

Who says so, you?

Well, who posted this? Santa? Yes, Mu.

Quoted message said:

Chung made a statement (which, in and of itself, is weak)
and supplied absolutely no data. One has no reason to believe his statements
as he has not provided any underlying support for them.

I will try this again. Get out a pencil and write it down. "Data" is info,
info was supplied to you via the pdf. Underlying support = research,
correct?

Quoted message said:

He said the data was provided and said that if one read his page it would be
there. It was not. He lied.

See above.

Roger Zoul said:

Please. You're simply a moron who quacks like a duck.

Then put me in your killfile so I won't continually make an ass out of you.

Quoted message said:

"Data" becomes what he forces it by definition to be.

Correct. The definition of data is not static is is up to the supplier
*and* the reader to determine if it meets their criteria.

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"Data" becomes what he forces it by definition to be.

MD/PhD said:

Sorry you don't like the data either (shrug).

What he and Zoul don't like is that it does not meet their definition of
data. Fine. If it was research, they couldn't rightly comprehend it anyway.
This puts their agenda, which has nothing to do with research data (since
it is would be info in the hands of babes) true to the light.

They want something that they cannot use for any real purpose so they argue
to get it.

Duh.

The agenda is to try to find some battlefield that they can stand against
the 2PDiet, and its successes, so they do this with "give us what we have
no clue about" "logic".

It's funny, ridiculous and humorous to watch. As they head, fast as
possible, into a dead end argument.

Quoted message said:

What would friends at emory have to say
about the quality of this "data"?

The same thing I do. Data it is, info it is, tell you to clue up.