A disappointing week

"MU" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

The lie is based on the illogical but very appealing premise that you can
eat anything you want except <insert "bad" carb>. Why do you think Atkins
sold so well? Because it worked for the long term? Hell, no. It sold to
people who would rather have [censored] instead of truth and weight loss on
their
terms instead of thermogenic physics.

Right, this new diet is just a temporary "fix" to sell to fat people
according to MU. Well, not actually. The Atkins form of a ketogenic diet was
printed and sold in the early 1970's. Prior to that doctors used a ketogenic
diet to alleviate symptoms of epilepsy and noted weight loss as a side
effect since the 1920's. FTR, 5th century B.C., Hippocrates reports about a
man suffering from epilepsy stopping convulsions when fasting. He surmised
that placing the body into a "starvation" mode stopped the seizures. The
same device was used years later to help children, especially those with
Lennox Gastaut syndrome, by placing them into starvation mode or ketosis and
helped 2/3 of children with epilepsy.

How do you support your claim that the Atkins diet is a short term quick fix
and basically is a lie? Where is your medical data? Are you the same person
that tried to sell your 2 pound "diet" for the last few years? Wondering.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/news2004-rst/2475.html

"Doug Lerner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Now I just have to find the will-power to add calorie-counting to my diet
again.

Increase exercise first? Are you in an exercise routine?

Nicky.

--
HbA1c 10.5/6.4/<6 Weight 95/79/72
1g Metformin, 75ug Thyroxine
T2 DX 05/2004

Are you getting any exercise?

"FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Or perhaps evidence that weight loss is not a straight line process, you
could easily be retaining more water today than at your low.

I can gain/lose 2-4 pounds easy just from water weight......a good
solid 8 kilometer run after avoiding sodium for a day flushes me right
out!

Quoted message said:

"MU" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

The lie is based on the illogical but very appealing premise that you can
eat anything you want except <insert "bad" carb>. Why do you think Atkins
sold so well? Because it worked for the long term? Hell, no. It sold to
people who would rather have [censored] instead of truth and weight loss on
their
terms instead of thermogenic physics.

Nancy J said:

Right, this new diet is just a temporary "fix" to sell to fat people
according to MU. Well, not actually. The Atkins form of a ketogenic diet was
printed and sold in the early 1970's.

I never said it was new so what is this useless history lesson about?

<snipped remainder of inaccurate rant>

Quoted message said:

How do you support your claim that the Atkins diet is a short term quick fix
and basically is a lie?

Talk to the NIH who studied and wrote about not only Atkins but many other
commercialized "book" diets. 95+ failure rates PLUS yo-yo effects PLUS more
weigh regained in a two year time span. Gee, that's fun and you get to pay
for it twice. With your health and with your purse.

See here's the thing. Commercial Diets don't work for the majority of
people for any length of time and the reason is simple. people never learn
to rationally lower food volumes. In short, we have been brainwashed to
think we can actually eat these ridiculous and unneeded volumes of food to
be healthy. Sounds good, right? Eat tons, be healthy.

Wrong. We are obese as a nation of our own gluttonies.

Quoted message said:

Where is your medical data?

Where's your credentials that would lead me to believe you have any idea if
a study is solid or farce? Are you a research statistician?

Quoted message said:

Are you the same person
that tried to sell your 2 pound "diet" for the last few years? Wondering.

Sorry, the 2PDiet is not for sale unlike Atkins etc.

Quoted message said:

http://www.mayoclinic.org/news2004-rst/2475.html

A newspaper article.

See above regarding medical data.

Dude, you must relax. You are still down a pound. It takes time and some
week you may lose 3 or so and whatever. It comes off.

Curt

"Doug Lerner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

<sigh>

After going down from 121 to 120 to 119.5 and then not checking my
weight for a week last week it had dropped to 118.0. Great, I thought.

So a week later I checked my weight again and this morning it was 120

again!

Quoted message said:

I was following low-carb religiously this past week...

Very depressing.

Well, just another bit of evidence that low-carb by itself does not let
you lose weight. You have to count the calories too.

That's what I mean when I say that as far as weight loss goes *all*
low-carb does is help you control your appetite somewhat. Period. Other
claims beyond that are deceptive, I truly believe.

Now I just have to find the will-power to add calorie-counting to my
diet again.

<sigh>

doug

yesterday my wedding ring was sooo tight and today it fits fine,(I had it
made into a 6 from a 7 when I lost weight) water flucutates.
"curt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Dude, you must relax. You are still down a pound. It takes time and some
week you may lose 3 or so and whatever. It comes off.

Curt

"Doug Lerner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

<sigh>

After going down from 121 to 120 to 119.5 and then not checking my
weight for a week last week it had dropped to 118.0. Great, I thought.

So a week later I checked my weight again and this morning it was 120

again!

Quoted message said:

I was following low-carb religiously this past week...

Very depressing.

Well, just another bit of evidence that low-carb by itself does not let
you lose weight. You have to count the calories too.

That's what I mean when I say that as far as weight loss goes *all*
low-carb does is help you control your appetite somewhat. Period. Other
claims beyond that are deceptive, I truly believe.

Now I just have to find the will-power to add calorie-counting to my
diet again.

<sigh>

doug

Hi, Julia. I don't know how you calculated my height, but I am a
normal-sized 174 cm (5'8"😉 tall. 🙂

doug

Julia Winston said:

That's just terrible! I'll bet you are so miserable being that weight, just
so depressing! Low carb really let you down. What does your doctor say you
should weigh? According to Metropolitan Life's charts you must be way under
5" tall. Being a little person myself, I know how some rules don't apply to
us. We must eat tiny potions of what others can eat and exercise a lot. Less
is more and more is less.

Hugs,
Julia

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] wrote:
|| Jeri wrote:
||| Julia Winston <[email hidden]> wrote:
|||| That's just terrible! I'll bet you are so miserable being that
|||| weight, just so depressing! Low carb really let you down. What does
|||| your doctor say you should weigh? According to Metropolitan Life's
|||| charts you must be way under 5" tall. Being a little person
|||| myself, I know how some rules don't apply to us. We must eat tiny
|||| potions of what others can eat and exercise a lot. Less is more
|||| and more is less.
|||
||| I believe he's talking kg not pounds.
||
||
|| Doug thinks controlling calories would have made a difference. This
|| may be true if one were eating with abandon. However, there are lots
|| of people following a low calorie diet that have the exact same
|| experience, where weight loss stall or goes back up a couple pounds
|| over a few weeks.

Why do people speak of low carb and low cal as though they are exclusive?
Most of the time they are not. Low carb is simply a means of eating less
by
limiting carbs to remove BG-swing induced appetite. It is not magic per
se
and one may still need an extra way of controlling the amount of
consumption, such as counting calories, in order to lose weight and
espeically to make sure the scale moves downward in a steady fashion,
which
seems to be what doug wants to happen.

Most of us are not looking for magic, Roger. Most of us want control of our
lives.

My life has changed a lot from the Atkins diet, and for those who haven't
found success with this or a similar diet, I'm sorry. I don't know how to
help.

My scale does not move down in a steady fashion. I've lost interest in the
scale. My weight might stay the same for a month, and then suddenly drop.
It's not important to me. What is important is that I have found a WOE that
works and lets me control my weight over the long term.

If I wanted quick results I would do liposuction or something. But I am
becoming thin because of Atkins in less than a year, and don't need or want
the surgery. Everyone is different.

MU <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"MU" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

The lie is based on the illogical but very appealing premise that you can
eat anything you want except <insert "bad" carb>. Why do you think Atkins
sold so well? Because it worked for the long term? Hell, no. It sold to
people who would rather have [censored] instead of truth and weight loss on
their
terms instead of thermogenic physics.

Nancy J said:

Right, this new diet is just a temporary "fix" to sell to fat people
according to MU. Well, not actually. The Atkins form of a ketogenic diet was
printed and sold in the early 1970's.

I never said it was new so what is this useless history lesson about?

<snipped remainder of inaccurate rant>

Quoted message said:

How do you support your claim that the Atkins diet is a short term quick fix
and basically is a lie?

Talk to the NIH who studied and wrote about not only Atkins but many other
commercialized "book" diets. 95+ failure rates PLUS yo-yo effects PLUS more
weigh regained in a two year time span. Gee, that's fun and you get to pay
for it twice. With your health and with your purse.

See here's the thing. Commercial Diets don't work for the majority of
people for any length of time and the reason is simple. people never learn
to rationally lower food volumes. In short, we have been brainwashed to
think we can actually eat these ridiculous and unneeded volumes of food to
be healthy. Sounds good, right? Eat tons, be healthy.

Wrong. We are obese as a nation of our own gluttonies.

Quoted message said:

Where is your medical data?

Where's your credentials that would lead me to believe you have any idea if
a study is solid or farce? Are you a research statistician?

Quoted message said:

Are you the same person
that tried to sell your 2 pound "diet" for the last few years? Wondering.

Sorry, the 2PDiet is not for sale unlike Atkins etc.

Quoted message said:

http://www.mayoclinic.org/news2004-rst/2475.html

A newspaper article.

See above regarding medical data.

The data is simple: *Everyone* who uses the 2PD Approach to eat less
loses weight. The shift from "watching *what* you are eating" to
"watching *how much* you are eating" appears to be the key to
permanent weight loss.

This data has been publicly presented:

http://tinyurl.com/3pard

The skinny on the 2PD Approach:

http://tinyurl.com/2p7ud

Why is the 2PD Approach free if it works so well ?

It is written in Ephesians 2:

10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good
works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

All is a waste of time until you find the way to eternal life with the
Creator of the universe. When you do, there is no waste of time
because there will be an infinite amount of it. Walking about
aimlessly thinking it is *your* time, *your* money, *your* lot, *your*
labor, *your* profit, and *your* power that you are using is
tantamount to self-worship.

For Christ lights up the way through John 14:

6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one
comes to the Father except through me..."

This bring us back again to the following very simple decision tree
for the untruthful folks who have chosen to walk in the "dark":

(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.

Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable
riches in God's eternal kingdom.

(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.

Benefits: Nothing.

Again, one has to conclude that those (ie Carey, Steve, Bob, Zee,
Frank, Hawki, Rolando, Sarah, Kate, Don et al) who would reject Christ
have not thought out their decision *logically*.

Would suggest you cast a glance at Bob Pastorio as a special example
of untruthfully eloquent self-worship (BTW, Bob remains in my prayers
out of Christian love) who is being driven to madness by my ignoring
him (http://makeashorterlink.com/?V29A236C9 and more recently
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V25D312E9). All this power belongs to
God who has judged Bob Pastorio with His Word
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?G33F51E69). All praises to Him, Whom I
love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)

It remains my hope that all non-christians will consider the following
as their logic should dictate before it is too late:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

(Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He
is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2
which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments,
the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger
sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and
satan], and the 2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ
did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
::
:: The data is simple: *Everyone* who uses the 2PD Approach to eat less
:: loses weight. The shift from "watching *what* you are eating" to
:: "watching *how much* you are eating" appears to be the key to
:: permanent weight loss.
::
:: This data has been publicly presented:
::
:: http://tinyurl.com/3pard

Why not post your slides on your website so we can see your data?

Jim Bard wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: [email hidden] wrote:
::::: Jeri wrote:
:::::: Julia Winston <[email hidden]> wrote:
::::::: That's just terrible! I'll bet you are so miserable being that
::::::: weight, just so depressing! Low carb really let you down. What
::::::: does your doctor say you should weigh? According to
::::::: Metropolitan Life's charts you must be way under 5" tall. Being
::::::: a little person myself, I know how some rules don't apply to
::::::: us. We must eat tiny potions of what others can eat and
::::::: exercise a lot. Less is more and more is less.
::::::
:::::: I believe he's talking kg not pounds.
:::::
:::::
::::: Doug thinks controlling calories would have made a difference.
::::: This may be true if one were eating with abandon. However, there
::::: are lots of people following a low calorie diet that have the
::::: exact same experience, where weight loss stall or goes back up a
::::: couple pounds over a few weeks.
:::
:::
::: Why do people speak of low carb and low cal as though they are
::: exclusive? Most of the time they are not. Low carb is simply a
::: means of eating less by
::: limiting carbs to remove BG-swing induced appetite. It is not
::: magic per se
::: and one may still need an extra way of controlling the amount of
::: consumption, such as counting calories, in order to lose weight and
::: espeically to make sure the scale moves downward in a steady
::: fashion, which
::: seems to be what doug wants to happen.
::
:: Most of us are not looking for magic, Roger. Most of us want
:: control of our lives.

Many people are looking for magic, Jim.

::
:: My life has changed a lot from the Atkins diet, and for those who
:: haven't found success with this or a similar diet, I'm sorry. I
:: don't know how to help.
::
:: My scale does not move down in a steady fashion. I've lost interest
:: in the scale. My weight might stay the same for a month, and then
:: suddenly drop. It's not important to me. What is important is that
:: I have found a WOE that works and lets me control my weight over the
:: long term.
::
:: If I wanted quick results I would do liposuction or something. But
:: I am becoming thin because of Atkins in less than a year, and don't
:: need or want the surgery. Everyone is different.

Roger Zoul said:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
::
:: The data is simple: *Everyone* who uses the 2PD Approach to eat less
:: loses weight. The shift from "watching *what* you are eating" to
:: "watching *how much* you are eating" appears to be the key to
:: permanent weight loss.
::
:: This data has been publicly presented:
::
:: http://tinyurl.com/3pard

Why not post your slides on your website so we can see your data?

If you have read the above, you have already seen the data. It is written
plainly enough.

Again, the skinny on the 2PD Approach:

http://tinyurl.com/2p7ud

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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Roger Zoul said:

:: Most of us are not looking for magic, Roger. Most of us want
:: control of our lives.

Many people are looking for magic, Jim.

Most assuredly, they are.

You're an idiot and a quack. There's no way you should be giving any type of
medical advice. That's why you don't have access to a hospital, and why you
were fired in Florida. This is also why you troll usenet for unsuspecting
"patients". You bought your credentials on the internet. Shame on you.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

MU <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"MU" <[email hidden]> wrote
>
> The lie is based on the illogical but very appealing premise that you
> can
> eat anything you want except <insert "bad" carb>. Why do you think
> Atkins
> sold so well? Because it worked for the long term? Hell, no. It sold
> to
> people who would rather have [censored] instead of truth and weight loss on
> their
> terms instead of thermogenic physics.
>

Nancy J said:

Right, this new diet is just a temporary "fix" to sell to fat people
according to MU. Well, not actually. The Atkins form of a ketogenic
diet was
printed and sold in the early 1970's.

I never said it was new so what is this useless history lesson about?

<snipped remainder of inaccurate rant>

Quoted message said:

How do you support your claim that the Atkins diet is a short term
quick fix
and basically is a lie?

Talk to the NIH who studied and wrote about not only Atkins but many
other
commercialized "book" diets. 95+ failure rates PLUS yo-yo effects PLUS
more
weigh regained in a two year time span. Gee, that's fun and you get to
pay
for it twice. With your health and with your purse.

See here's the thing. Commercial Diets don't work for the majority of
people for any length of time and the reason is simple. people never
learn
to rationally lower food volumes. In short, we have been brainwashed to
think we can actually eat these ridiculous and unneeded volumes of food
to
be healthy. Sounds good, right? Eat tons, be healthy.

Wrong. We are obese as a nation of our own gluttonies.

Quoted message said:

Where is your medical data?

Where's your credentials that would lead me to believe you have any idea
if
a study is solid or farce? Are you a research statistician?

Quoted message said:

Are you the same person
that tried to sell your 2 pound "diet" for the last few years?
Wondering.

Sorry, the 2PDiet is not for sale unlike Atkins etc.

Quoted message said:

http://www.mayoclinic.org/news2004-rst/2475.html

A newspaper article.

See above regarding medical data.

The data is simple: *Everyone* who uses the 2PD Approach to eat less
loses weight. The shift from "watching *what* you are eating" to
"watching *how much* you are eating" appears to be the key to
permanent weight loss.

This data has been publicly presented:

http://tinyurl.com/3pard

The skinny on the 2PD Approach:

http://tinyurl.com/2p7ud

Why is the 2PD Approach free if it works so well ?

It is written in Ephesians 2:

10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good
works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

All is a waste of time until you find the way to eternal life with the
Creator of the universe. When you do, there is no waste of time
because there will be an infinite amount of it. Walking about
aimlessly thinking it is *your* time, *your* money, *your* lot, *your*
labor, *your* profit, and *your* power that you are using is
tantamount to self-worship.

For Christ lights up the way through John 14:

6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one
comes to the Father except through me..."

This bring us back again to the following very simple decision tree
for the untruthful folks who have chosen to walk in the "dark":

(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.

Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable
riches in God's eternal kingdom.

(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.

Benefits: Nothing.

Again, one has to conclude that those (ie Carey, Steve, Bob, Zee,
Frank, Hawki, Rolando, Sarah, Kate, Don et al) who would reject Christ
have not thought out their decision *logically*.

Would suggest you cast a glance at Bob Pastorio as a special example
of untruthfully eloquent self-worship (BTW, Bob remains in my prayers
out of Christian love) who is being driven to madness by my ignoring
him (http://makeashorterlink.com/?V29A236C9 and more recently
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V25D312E9). All this power belongs to
God who has judged Bob Pastorio with His Word
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?G33F51E69). All praises to Him, Whom I
love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)

It remains my hope that all non-christians will consider the following
as their logic should dictate before it is too late:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

(Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He
is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2
which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments,
the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger
sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and
satan], and the 2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ
did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

Roger Zoul said:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
::
:: The data is simple: *Everyone* who uses the 2PD Approach to eat less
:: loses weight. The shift from "watching *what* you are eating" to
:: "watching *how much* you are eating" appears to be the key to
:: permanent weight loss.

That's no data. That's puffery. Hucksterism. Snake oil sales. That's
opinion based on an IMAX movie that Chung misunderstood.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

:: This data has been publicly presented:
::
:: http://tinyurl.com/3pard

This URL takes you to a PDF that says:
HOW TO “CURE” METABOLIC SYNDROME (METS)
Metabolic Syndrome (MetS), which is a major predictor of
cardiovascular morbidity and mortality, is becoming increasingly more
prevalent among women. The only known “cure” for MetS is permanent
weight loss. However, despite a plethora of commercial diets being
sold to the public as ways of achieving weight loss, the national
trend of increasing adiposity is accelerating. In examining why this
is happening, we are compelled to figure out how to stop it. The 2PD
Approach incorporates these concepts into a method that allows a
mutually satisfying patient-physician collaboration to achieve the
permanent weight loss that has eluded millions in the U.S.
Andrew B. Chung, M.D., Ph.D, Cardiologist, Foundation Advisor,
WELLNESS FOUNDATION, INC., Atlanta, GA

That's all it says. No data. No facts. No studies. No historical
information. None of it.

I love how when Chung is dealing with other doctors, he drops that
phony-baloney Dr. Andrew B. Chung MD/PhD credential double dip. <LOL>
"Foundation advisor" sounds like he consults about underwear.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Why not post your slides on your website so we can see your data?

If you have read the above, you have already seen the data. It is written
plainly enough.

It is clumsily written, but no matter. It's the content that's
missing. There's no "data" in that paragraph. Assertions, sure. Data, no.

Quoted message said:

Again, the skinny on the 2PD Approach:

http://tinyurl.com/2p7ud

<LOL> I love how my name is still on that list of "testimonials" - by
slimy editing of what I really said. Chung characterizes me as "a
self-reported chef" as though that explains it all.

But data? Not a bit of it. No information about how many have tried
it, with what effects, over what time... no data.

Quackery. Charlatanism. Same old, same old...

Bob

"Doug Lerner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hi, Julia. I don't know how you calculated my height, but I am a
normal-sized 174 cm (5'8"😉 tall. 🙂

doug

Julia Winston said:

That's just terrible! I'll bet you are so miserable being that weight,
just so depressing! Low carb really let you down. What does your doctor
say you should weigh? According to Metropolitan Life's charts you must be
way under 5" tall. Being a little person myself, I know how some rules
don't apply to us. We must eat tiny potions of what others can eat and
exercise a lot. Less is more and more is less.

Hugs,
Julia

I meant 5 feet but then you knew I was posting using American measurement
when I messed up and used inches instead of feet. Sorry 'bout that. I am a
tiny person and as such it IS difficult to lose much weight compared to
others that post here. As I had posted, the height-weight chart I looked at
was from Metropolitan Life and is in feet and inches as well as pounds. FTR,
wish America would get with the rest of the world and use the same
measurements🙂

Hugs,
Julia

JC Der Koenig said:

You're an idiot and a quack. There's no way you should be giving any type of
medical advice. That's why you don't have access to a hospital, and why you
were fired in Florida. This is also why you troll usenet for unsuspecting
"patients". You bought your credentials on the internet. Shame on you.

Thanks for affirming (along with all the other desperate folks who love
the darkness) that I remain truthful in my work :-)

It is written in Ephesians 2:

10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good
works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

All is a waste of time until you find the way to eternal life with the
Creator of the universe. When you do, there is no waste of time because
there will be an infinite amount of it. Walking about aimlessly
thinking it is *your* time, *your* money, *your* lot, *your* labor,
*your* profit, and *your* power that you are using is tantamount to
self-worship.

For Christ lights up the way through John 14:

6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes
to the Father except through me..."

This bring us back again to the following very simple decision tree for
the untruthful folks such as yourself, neighbor, who have chosen to walk
in the "dark":

(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.

Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
in God's eternal kingdom.

(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.

Benefits: Nothing.

Again, one has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, Steve, Bob, Zee,
Frank, Hawki, Rolando, Don et al) who would reject Christ have not
thought out their decision *logically*.

Would suggest you cast a glance at Bob Pastorio as a special example of
untruthfully eloquent self-worship (BTW, Bob remains in my prayers out
of Christian love) who is being driven to madness by my ignoring him
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?V29A236C9 and more recently
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V25D312E9). All this power belongs to God
who has judged Bob Pastorio with His Word
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?G33F51E69). All praises to Him, Whom I
love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)

You will be in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love, in Christ's holy
name.

May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.

Please do consider the following as your logic should dictate before it
is too late:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

(Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His
presence known here on Usenet :-)

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

**
Who is the humblest person in the universe?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048

What is all this about?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48

Is this spam?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867

I must say it is amusing to come back a few days after posting a brief
message about a bad diet week and seeing Bible quotes and all strange
manner of digressions here!

It's like that old game where you give a message to the next person in
line and you see how the message comes out after being filtered through
a dozen people. 🙂

doug

Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

MU <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"MU" <[email hidden]> wrote

>The lie is based on the illogical but very appealing premise that you can
>eat anything you want except <insert "bad" carb>. Why do you think Atkins
>sold so well? Because it worked for the long term? Hell, no. It sold to
>people who would rather have [censored] instead of truth and weight loss on
>their
>terms instead of thermogenic physics.
>

Nancy J said:

Right, this new diet is just a temporary "fix" to sell to fat people
according to MU. Well, not actually. The Atkins form of a ketogenic diet was
printed and sold in the early 1970's.

I never said it was new so what is this useless history lesson about?

<snipped remainder of inaccurate rant>

Quoted message said:

How do you support your claim that the Atkins diet is a short term quick fix
and basically is a lie?

Talk to the NIH who studied and wrote about not only Atkins but many other
commercialized "book" diets. 95+ failure rates PLUS yo-yo effects PLUS more
weigh regained in a two year time span. Gee, that's fun and you get to pay
for it twice. With your health and with your purse.

See here's the thing. Commercial Diets don't work for the majority of
people for any length of time and the reason is simple. people never learn
to rationally lower food volumes. In short, we have been brainwashed to
think we can actually eat these ridiculous and unneeded volumes of food to
be healthy. Sounds good, right? Eat tons, be healthy.

Wrong. We are obese as a nation of our own gluttonies.

Quoted message said:

Where is your medical data?

Where's your credentials that would lead me to believe you have any idea if
a study is solid or farce? Are you a research statistician?

Quoted message said:

Are you the same person
that tried to sell your 2 pound "diet" for the last few years? Wondering.

Sorry, the 2PDiet is not for sale unlike Atkins etc.

Quoted message said:

http://www.mayoclinic.org/news2004-rst/2475.html

A newspaper article.

See above regarding medical data.

The data is simple: *Everyone* who uses the 2PD Approach to eat less
loses weight. The shift from "watching *what* you are eating" to
"watching *how much* you are eating" appears to be the key to
permanent weight loss.

This data has been publicly presented:

http://tinyurl.com/3pard

The skinny on the 2PD Approach:

http://tinyurl.com/2p7ud

Why is the 2PD Approach free if it works so well ?

It is written in Ephesians 2:

10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good
works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

All is a waste of time until you find the way to eternal life with the
Creator of the universe. When you do, there is no waste of time
because there will be an infinite amount of it. Walking about
aimlessly thinking it is *your* time, *your* money, *your* lot, *your*
labor, *your* profit, and *your* power that you are using is
tantamount to self-worship.

For Christ lights up the way through John 14:

6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one
comes to the Father except through me..."

This bring us back again to the following very simple decision tree
for the untruthful folks who have chosen to walk in the "dark":

(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.

Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable
riches in God's eternal kingdom.

(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.

Benefits: Nothing.

Again, one has to conclude that those (ie Carey, Steve, Bob, Zee,
Frank, Hawki, Rolando, Sarah, Kate, Don et al) who would reject Christ
have not thought out their decision *logically*.

Would suggest you cast a glance at Bob Pastorio as a special example
of untruthfully eloquent self-worship (BTW, Bob remains in my prayers
out of Christian love) who is being driven to madness by my ignoring
him (http://makeashorterlink.com/?V29A236C9 and more recently
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V25D312E9). All this power belongs to
God who has judged Bob Pastorio with His Word
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?G33F51E69). All praises to Him, Whom I
love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)

It remains my hope that all non-christians will consider the following
as their logic should dictate before it is too late:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

(Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He
is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2
which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments,
the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger
sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and
satan], and the 2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ
did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

**
Who is the humblest person in the universe?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048

What is all this about?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48

Is this spam?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867

It seems to me I heard somewhere that Bob (this one) wrote in article
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Roger Zoul wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

:: The data is simple: *Everyone* who uses the 2PD Approach to eat less
:: loses weight. The shift from "watching *what* you are eating" to
:: "watching *how much* you are eating" appears to be the key to
:: permanent weight loss.

Quoted message said:

That's no data. That's puffery. Hucksterism. Snake oil sales. That's
opinion based on an IMAX movie that Chung misunderstood.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

:: This data has been publicly presented:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

:: http://tinyurl.com/3pard

Quoted message said:

This URL takes you to a PDF that says:
HOW TO “CURE” METABOLIC SYNDROME (METS)
Metabolic Syndrome (MetS), which is a major predictor of
cardiovascular morbidity and mortality, is becoming increasingly more
prevalent among women. The only known “cure” for MetS is permanent
weight loss. However, despite a plethora of commercial diets being
sold to the public as ways of achieving weight loss, the national
trend of increasing adiposity is accelerating. In examining why this
is happening, we are compelled to figure out how to stop it. The 2PD
Approach incorporates these concepts into a method that allows a
mutually satisfying patient-physician collaboration to achieve the
permanent weight loss that has eluded millions in the U.S.
Andrew B. Chung, M.D., Ph.D, Cardiologist, Foundation Advisor,
WELLNESS FOUNDATION, INC., Atlanta, GA

Quoted message said:

That's all it says. No data. No facts. No studies. No historical
information. None of it.

The Wellness Foundation is a nationwide network of facilities providing
hospice care and other *non-medical* services to *cancer* patients. The
URL for the Atlanta facility is
http://www.thewellnesscommunity-atlanta.org/
and the phone number is 404-893-1880.

Quoted message said:

I love how when Chung is dealing with other doctors, he drops that
phony-baloney Dr. Andrew B. Chung MD/PhD credential double dip. <LOL>
"Foundation advisor" sounds like he consults about underwear.

I couldn't locate a list of advisors on the web page or through a
directory search. I do wonder what a cardiologist would advise about
for a facility that specializes in cancer patients and doesn't provide
medical services.
--
Don
[email hidden]