Fibromyalgia

In a previous article, "tech27" <[email hidden]>
wrote: ->Are there any real treatments for fibromyalgia or
is it still a hit and ->miss, trial and error thing.

You can easily find the most recent studies and articles on
any disease, by going to PUBMED:

ncbi.nlm.nih.govPubMedOpen ↗

tech27 said:

Are there any real treatments for fibromyalgia or is it
still a hit and miss, trial and error thing.

There is no "cure" per se, but a variety treatments have
shown to be effective in decreasing symptoms, ranging from
medications to diet and lifestyle (healthy), exercise (esp.
flexibility and relaxation techniques), physical therapy,
and psychotherapy, usually in combination. Specific
treatment is individualized.

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From what I have gathered the disease is still largely a
mystery.

Not entirely a "mystery", but clearly multifactorial.
Treating only a single component of the syndrome (e.g, pain)
is doomed to failure.

On 2004-08-03 23:03:12 -0400, [email hidden] said:

PUBMED isn't intended for the layperson. It's difficult
enough for medical professionals, who have been educated in
epidemiology and biostatistics, to critically read and
digest the medical literature. It's clearly a *bad idea* to
have laypeople using PUBMED and similar resources as their
primary source of information. Web sites such as www-www-Open ↗
.familypractice.com/centers/center_pat/center_pat.html and
healthfinder.govhealthfinder.govOpen ↗ are a much better starting
point for the average layperson.

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In a previous article, "tech27"
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treatments for fibromyalgia or is it still a hit and -

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miss, trial and error thing.

You can easily find the most recent studies and articles
on any disease, by going to PUBMED:

ncbi.nlm.nih.govPubMedOpen ↗

tech27 said:

Are there any real treatments for fibromyalgia or is it
still a hit and miss, trial and error thing.

Fibromyalgia is a euphemism for what used to be called
hypochondria, drug-seeking, or attention-seeking behavior.
It's hard to treat because it's hard to diagnose. It's hard
to diagnose because it's not really a disease.

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From what I have gathered the disease is still largely a
mystery.

Its very existence is questionable.

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Are you serious? All of the research I've done never
suggested any link with hypochondria. I'm very interested to
know more about this aspect.

Thanks.

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tech27 said:

Are there any real treatments for fibromyalgia or is it
still a hit and miss, trial and error thing.

Fibromyalgia is a euphemism for what used to be called
hypochondria, drug-seeking, or attention-seeking behavior.
It's hard to treat because it's hard to diagnose. It's
hard to diagnose because it's not really a disease.

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From what I have gathered the disease is still largely a
mystery.

Its very existence is questionable.

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tech27 said:

Are there any real treatments for fibromyalgia or is it
still a hit and miss, trial and error thing.

Fibromyalgia is a euphemism for what used to be called
hypochondria, drug-seeking, or attention-seeking behavior.
It's hard to treat because it's hard to diagnose. It's hard
to diagnose because it's not really a disease.

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From what I have gathered the disease is still largely a
mystery.

Its very existence is questionable.

I thoroughly agree with this.

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tech27 said:

Are you serious? All of the research I've done never
suggested any link with hypochondria.

That's what several physicians have told me. While there
is a very vague syndrome that is sometimes referred to as
fibromyalgia, it's also a catch-all diagnosis used with
all those depressed housewives out there who just want
meds and sympathy.

The real thing--if it exists--is so ill-defined that it
scarcely merits a name of its own. It's like saying someone
has the vapors.

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tech27 said:

Are there any real treatments for fibromyalgia or is it
still a hit and miss, trial and error thing.

Fibromyalgia is a euphemism for what used to be called
hypochondria, drug-seeking, or attention-seeking behavior.
It's hard to treat because it's hard to diagnose. It's
hard to diagnose because it's not really a disease.

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From what I have gathered the disease is still largely a
mystery.

Its very existence is questionable.

I thought fibromyalgia was the new term for
somatization disorder.

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I thought fibromyalgia was the new term for somatization
disorder.

There are many terms for this pseudo-disease, as it has been
around since time immemorial. It always occurs mostly in middle-
aged housewives, and the only treatments (which are never
curative and hardly ever even effective) are drugs and
attention, usually in that order. Psychoactive drugs are
preferred, especially narcotics, antidepressants,
anxiolytics, etc.

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I think you are very much mistaken. If you search the web
for fibromyalgia you will find lots of information about it
as well as treatment protocols.

Your comments are similar to what people used to say about
depression - it's not a medical condition that needs
treatment -JUST CHEER UP?

If that's what "several physicians" told you, I would not
consult them again.

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tech27 said:

Are you serious? All of the research I've done never
suggested any link

with

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hypochondria.

That's what several physicians have told me. While there
is a very vague syndrome that is sometimes referred to as
fibromyalgia, it's also a catch-all diagnosis used with
all those depressed housewives out there who just want
meds and sympathy.

The real thing--if it exists--is so ill-defined that it
scarcely merits a name of its own. It's like saying
someone has the vapors.

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tech27 said:

I think you are very much mistaken. If you search the web
for fibromyalgia you will find lots of information about
it as well as treatment protocols.

I don't rely on the Web for information like that, with a
few exceptions.

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Your comments are similar to what people used to say about
depression - it's not a medical condition that needs
treatment -JUST CHEER UP?

I still say that about depression, as a general rule.

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If that's what "several physicians" told you, I would not
consult them again.

Should I consult Web sites recommended by a stranger on a
newsgroup instead?

I was wondering how long it would take for the advocates to
weigh in. One of the things about "diseases" like this is
that they have huge support networks.

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tech27 said:

I think you are very much mistaken. If you search the
web for

fibromyalgia

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you will find lots of information about it as well as
treatment

protocols.

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I don't rely on the Web for information like that, with a
few exceptions.

Of course. You have to know your sources. I'm sure the Flat
Earth Society has a website, but I wouldn't consult it for
travel plans.

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Your comments are similar to what people used to say
about depression -

it's

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not a medical condition that needs treatment -JUST
CHEER UP?

I still say that about depression, as a general rule.

Then you are simply uneducated in this area.

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If that's what "several physicians" told you, I would
not consult them again.

Should I consult Web sites recommended by a stranger on a
newsgroup instead?

No, never. Just do your own research and find out. In
any case, I don't believe that you consulted any MD
about fibromyalgia. If you had, you wouldn't be so
ignorant about it.

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I was wondering how long it would take for the advocates
to weigh in. One of the things about "diseases" like this
is that they have huge support networks.

That's true. All those idiots who have cancer, diabetes,
athsma, etc. etc.have support networks. I guess you think
that this is a waste of time, much like reading your
uninformed posts chronicalling your severe lack of
knowledge.

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tech27 said:

Then you are simply uneducated in this area.

No, you simply disagree with me, but you find a personal
attack more comforting than an admission that your opinion
is no more objectively valid than mine.

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Just do your own research and find out.

Done.

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In any case, I don't believe that you consulted any MD
about fibromyalgia.

Your beliefs are unimportant to me.

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If you had, you wouldn't be so ignorant about it.

You mean that if I believed the same Web sites you did, I'd
agree with you. That has nothing to do with ignorance.

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That's true. All those idiots who have cancer, diabetes,
athsma, etc. etc.have support networks.

Those are not imaginary diseases. They have clear clinical
manifestations, reliable diagnostic methods, and well-
defined and effective treatments.

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I guess you think that this is a waste of time, much like
reading your uninformed posts chronicalling your severe
lack of knowledge.

I think personal attacks are a waste of time. They certainly
are when they are directed at me.

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No, you simply disagree with me, but you find a personal
attack more comforting than an admission that your opinion
is no more objectively valid than mine.

No. I am correct. You are mistaken. You have an opinion, I
have clinical research and medical studies to draw from.

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Just do your own research and find out.

Done.

Not likely.

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In any case, I don't believe that you consulted any MD
about fibromyalgia.

Your beliefs are unimportant to me.

No doubt. As your uniformed ramblings are to me.

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If you had, you wouldn't be so ignorant about it.

You mean that if I believed the same Web sites you did,
I'd agree with you.

No. If you had really looked into it and consulted medical
professionals you would understand.

That has nothing to do with ignorance.

Correct. Ignorance is just not knowing. What you exibit is
just plain stupidity and an idiot-troll mentality.

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That's true. All those idiots who have cancer, diabetes,
athsma, etc. etc.have support networks.

Those are not imaginary diseases. They have clear clinical
manifestations, reliable diagnostic methods, and well-
defined and effective treatments.

Following your convoluted logic, a disease is imaginary
unless all your criteria are met. That would mean that we
don't do any research or investigations until we do research
and investigations.

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I guess you think that this is a waste of time, much
like reading your uninformed posts chronicalling your
severe lack

of

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knowledge.

I think personal attacks are a waste of time. They
certainly are when they are directed at me.

I concur. Idiots like you eventually turn things around to
being personal attacks when the body of evidence and
knowledge contradict you. You are unable to reconcille or
accept that your are wrong - it's easier for you to explain
it away as some attack on you. Possible persecution complex
or a variety of mental disorders.

Lastly, if you are not an MD or have personal experience
with any ailment, why are you offering any comments?

This thread is at an end with you.

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tech27 said:

I think you are very much mistaken. If you search the web
for fibromyalgia you will find lots of information about
it as well as treatment protocols.

Your comments are similar to what people used to say about
depression - it's not a medical condition that needs
treatment -JUST CHEER UP?

If that's what "several physicians" told you, I would not
consult them again.

I just posted 3 or 4 good websites about fibromyalgia
including two websites for males with fibromyalgia on
news:alt.med.fibromyalgia If the doctors (or others) here
don't believe in it, then I guess it's up to them to run all
the rheumatologists who diagnose it out of business, eh? J

Mxsmanic said:

Those are not imaginary diseases. They have clear clinical
manifestations, reliable diagnostic methods, and well-
defined and effective treatments.

Please provide. What is the pathology? What does it look
like under the microscope. As to "treatment", have Koch's
postulates been satisfied?

Believe it or not, there are some doctors who are advocating
(and performing) brain surgery for fibromyalgia!

Best,

Bob

Robert A. Fink, M.D., FACS, P. C. 2500 Milvia Street Suite
222 Berkeley, California 94704-2636 USA

Telephone: 510-849-2555 FAX: 510-849-2557
<http://www.rafink.com>

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tech27 said:

No. I am correct. You are mistaken. You have an opinion, I
have clinical research and medical studies to draw from.

So do I. Our opinions differ.

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Not likely.

You have no way of knowing, so how can you assess
probability?

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No. If you had really looked into it and consulted medical
professionals you would understand.

Done.

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Correct. Ignorance is just not knowing. What you exibit is
just plain stupidity and an idiot-troll mentality.

See my previous comments about personal attacks.

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Following your convoluted logic, a disease is imaginary
unless all your criteria are met.

No, that's not what I said. But a "disease" that covers
every conceivable ache and pain isn't a disease at all, it's
an excuse.

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That would mean that we don't do any research or
investigations until we do research and investigations.

Sometimes even after doing "research" and "investigations"
we still haven't done them.

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I concur. Idiots like you eventually turn things around to
being personal attacks when the body of evidence and
knowledge contradict you. You are unable to reconcille or
accept that your are wrong - it's easier for you to
explain it away as some attack on you. Possible
persecution complex or a variety of mental disorders.

If you concur with my statement that personal attacks
against me are a waste of time, why do you spend an entire
paragraph immediately thereafter engaging in them?

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Lastly, if you are not an MD or have personal experience
with any ailment, why are you offering any comments?

To help others by providing information.

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This thread is at an end with you.

Famous last words.

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Robert A. Fink said:

Please provide.

For diabetes and cancer??

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Believe it or not, there are some doctors who are
advocating (and performing) brain surgery for
fibromyalgia!

Some doctors are more interested in money than in medicine.

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J said:

I just posted 3 or 4 good websites about fibromyalgia
including two websites for males with fibromyalgia on
news:alt.med.fibromyalgia

I'm sure that alt.med.fibromyalgia is going to be
completely unbiased.

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If the doctors (or others) here don't believe in it, then
I guess it's up to them to run all the rheumatologists who
diagnose it out of business, eh?

Why?

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