?Exchange?

can't argue with success. I'd be unlikely to change what works, regardless of where the contrary
info came from. But that's just me, Sam.

dave

Sam said:

I just got back from the dietitian who wants me to eat 60-75 carbs per meal. That's nearly the
amount I have found causes slight spikes in my BG(120-140). Is the "Exchange" diet really the
state of the art in diabeties control? Should I just nod my head a lot and then keep doing
what is working for me? I've been keeping my BG <100 and my A1C <5 by sticking to 20-30 grams
per meal.

"Sam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I just got back from the dietitian who wants me to eat 60-75 carbs per meal. That's nearly the
amount I have found causes slight spikes in my BG(120-140). Is the "Exchange" diet really the
state of the art in

diabeties

Quoted message said:

control? Should I just nod my head a lot and then keep doing what is

working

Quoted message said:

for me? I've been keeping my BG <100 and my A1C <5 by sticking to 20-30 grams per meal.

We know food affects BG and carbs will raise it. The amount the dietician gave you will raise you BG
too high for your goals. What you are doing is giving you excellent results. Taking this to a
logical conclusion, I stick with what you are doing. Did she even ask what you were doing or what
your A1c is? c

Sam said:

I just got back from the dietitian who wants me to eat 60-75 carbs per meal. That's nearly the
amount I have found causes slight spikes in my BG(120-140). Is the "Exchange" diet really the
state of the art in diabeties control? Should I just nod my head a lot and then keep doing
what is working for me? I've been keeping my BG <100 and my A1C <5 by sticking to 20-30 grams
per meal.

If it works for you then go with it. Remember though, BG isn't the ONLY thing you should concern
yourself with. If you other numbers are also OK then go with it. How's you lipids and blood
pressure ??

My dietician doesn't mention carbs per se but does suggest certain type meals because they are lower
in fat. She wants me to watch my fat intake because my lipids were high. My last checkup saw my
lipids go down but my A1c was up...there's a trade off.

"Sam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I just got back from the dietitian who wants me to eat 60-75 carbs per meal. That's nearly the
amount I have found causes slight spikes in my BG(120-140). Is the "Exchange" diet really the
state of the art in

diabeties

Quoted message said:

control? Should I just nod my head a lot and then keep doing what is

working

Quoted message said:

for me? I've been keeping my BG <100 and my A1C <5 by sticking to 20-30 grams per meal.

Wait a minute - let me see if I got this right:

You are eating 20-30g per meal Your blood sugars are under control Basically, everything
is hunkydory

And your dietician want you to TRIPLE your carb intake?

IMHO You need e new dietician - that one is a complete IDIOT.....

Ken

Sam said:

I just got back from the dietitian who wants me to eat 60-75 carbs per meal. That's nearly the
amount I have found causes slight spikes in my BG(120-140). Is the "Exchange" diet really the
state of the art in diabeties control? Should I just nod my head a lot and then keep doing
what is working for me? I've been keeping my BG <100 and my A1C <5 by sticking to 20-30 grams
per meal.

How are your lipids?

Did you tell your dietitian what you were doing and why?

--
K'neH'a'Iw

Uncloaking, Shields up.

LOL...... is she serious???????

man..... i eat about 100gm of carbs per DAY and i'm a t1 on insulin!

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"Sam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I just got back from the dietitian who wants me to eat 60-75 carbs per meal. That's nearly the
amount I have found causes slight spikes in my BG(120-140). Is the "Exchange" diet really the
state of the art in

diabeties

Quoted message said:

control? Should I just nod my head a lot and then keep doing what is

working

Quoted message said:

for me? I've been keeping my BG <100 and my A1C <5 by sticking to 20-30 grams per meal.

My lipids never got better without meds. And as I said, what works for me might not work for anyone
else. My sister and I were talking today about the info we recieved when she was first diagnosed.
Precious little it was. No one explained about eye disease, per se, just that it could happen, or
kidney disease. No one gaveus diet info, except a sheet from the ADA. This was back in 1988. When I
was idagnosed in 1998, I had to get info on my own, mainly because, the type given to me, from the
dietician, IMO was not enough. "Just do this" and not the why's of it. But if someonetold me to eat
that much carb, I'd be suspicious, unless I was on enough meds. Rainbow

Hi Dave ... geez, hunnybunny you counted the words? I'm flattered that you spent that much time on
it ... so here it is ... how I feel about you and I hope you have fun reading this ...
! BOS yttep dna edur a era uoY .erac t'nod yeht dias sah nosrep eno naht
erom ,elyts ym tuoba yas uoy thaW. Do you realize that hardly anyone really cares what you think ? I
belong to a group where a woman used to complain about every typo, every word she personally thught
was misspelled, and most of the time wasn't, and because her newsreader ran the wors in a strip on
herscreen and she wanted us all to conform to a style that suited her. We took her [censored], for a
while, told her we didn;t ca and moved on . We hardly noticed her departure. So here is a test of
how writning on web tv and how it comes out if I go to the margin for a new paragraph ... Hi BAD !!!
Hi BAD !!! Hi BAD !!! Since it changes after I hit done, we'll have to wait to see how it comes out
on the page. Godd luck to both of us. Reasons for not using a computer. Even set with very big
letters, the monitor is too hard to read for me. But this TV screen has more light and better
defination and with my messed up eyes, easy to read. So this is what I use. AND ... because of your
rude ass behavior, do you think for even one split instant, that I would even consider doing it your
way ? Oh, hell no ! Your stupid and demeanng and assumptive attitude forces me to absoutely stand my
ground and do as I wish, not do your bidding. Lighten up, buddy, this is an unmoderated internet
group and although some netiquette applies, there are extenuating circumstances sometimes and you
are not in charge. And you can choose to ignore me, you know ? If you can. I think you are addicted
to adversity for it's own sake and sticking out your lower lip whn you don;t get your way. Now, if
you answer this post, we'll all know that even if it was a daunting task, you read it, understood
the words and plied to it. Which In my opinion makes you a finger pointer, for one thing and ... oh
well, who cares ..... Now aside from my obvious stupidity, writing style and lack of netiquette, is
there some other reason you have a complaint about me .... you don;t know me at all well enough to
have one actually. So read it or don;t ... who cares ! I was eating my lunch and had time to talk,
see yuh later alligator ! Rainbow

gman99 said:

My dietician doesn't mention carbs per se but does suggest certain type meals because they are
lower in fat. She wants me to watch my fat intake because my lipids were high. My last checkup saw
my lipids go down but my A1c was up...there's a trade off.

Interesting. When I started restricting the carbs I ate, my lipids improved. Although my diet has a
high proportion of fat. unfortunately the lipids never got good enough, so now I'm on meds.

How much did your lipids improve by restricting fat and adding carbs?

--
K'neH'a'Iw

Uncloaking, Shields up.

Ken Bessler said:

"Sam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I just got back from the dietitian who wants me to eat 60-75 carbs per meal. That's nearly
the amount I have found causes slight spikes in my BG(120-140). Is the "Exchange" diet
really the state of the art in

diabeties

Quoted message said:

control? Should I just nod my head a lot and then keep doing what is

working

Quoted message said:

for me? I've been keeping my BG <100 and my A1C <5 by sticking to 20-30 grams per meal.

Wait a minute - let me see if I got this right:

You are eating 20-30g per meal Your blood sugars are under control Basically, everything is
hunkydory

And your dietician want you to TRIPLE your carb intake?

IMHO You need e new dietician - that one is a complete IDIOT.....

Not ALL of the facts were initially stated. Perhaps this person has high BP or high lipids...BG
isn't the ONLY consideration.

"K'neH'a'Iw" <[email hidden]> wrote :

Quoted message said:

How are your lipids?

Drastically improving but still not "normal".

Quoted message said:

Did you tell your dietitian what you were doing and why?

No, she was not there to listen to anyone without a Dr. in front of their name.

everyone doesn't eat the same number of carbs, Flower child.

dave

Tiger Lily said:

LOL...... is she serious???????

man..... i eat about 100gm of carbs per DAY and i'm a t1 on insulin!

no i didn't count the words; MSWord did. took all of 3 seconds to copy your massive paragraph into
Word and do a word count.

YOu must think I'm stupid. Of COURSE I know no one cares what I think! Why on earth do you think I'd
think otherwise?? Just because I type out a few hasty words now and then doesn't mean that I think
anyone cares! ONLY I care what I write. I don't think the world revolves around me or that anyone is
waiting around for my next post. But that won't keep me from posting!

I don't complain about every typo...please don't compare me to her

It WOULD be nice if you could organize your thoughts into some decent sized paragraphs, though...

WebTV users are an odd lot; on other forums they catch hell. I kinda see why, now... 🙂

Good grief! Don't get your knickers in a bunch! I had originally mentioned the lack of paragraphs
to let you know it's hard to read. I wasn't being rude at the time. I was truly offering a
suggestion. Kinda like Alan when he attempts to persuade me to be "nice". I don't bust his chops
when he gives a few pointers. I think it's cute. You, on the other hand, got all bent out of shape!
What's up with that??

Try not to get so offended when someone tries to offer a suggestion. You could have mentioned a good
reason why you chose to put everything in one run on paragraph without getting all snippy about my
suggestion.

Cheers.

dave

rainbow said:

Hi Dave ... geez, hunnybunny you counted the words? I'm flattered that you spent that much time on
it ... so here it is ... how I feel about you and I hope you have fun reading this ...
! BOS yttep dna edur a era uoY .erac t'nod yeht dias sah nosrep eno naht
erom ,elyts ym tuoba yas uoy thaW. Do you realize that hardly anyone really cares what you think ?
I belong to a group where a woman used to complain about every typo, every word she personally
thught was misspelled, and most of the time wasn't, and because her newsreader ran the wors in a
strip on herscreen and she wanted us all to conform to a style that suited her. We took her [censored],
for a while, told her we didn;t ca and moved on . We hardly noticed her departure. So here is a
test of how writning on web tv and how it comes out if I go to the margin for a new paragraph ...
Hi BAD !!! Hi BAD !!! Hi BAD !!! Since it changes after I hit done, we'll have to wait to see how
it comes out on the page. Godd luck to both of us. Reasons for not using a computer. Even set with
very big letters, the monitor is too hard to read for me. But this TV screen has more light and
better defination and with my messed up eyes, easy to read. So this is what I use. AND ... because
of your rude ass behavior, do you think for even one split instant, that I would even consider
doing it your way ? Oh, hell no ! Your stupid and demeanng and assumptive attitude forces me to
absoutely stand my ground and do as I wish, not do your bidding. Lighten up, buddy, this is an
unmoderated internet group and although some netiquette applies, there are extenuating
circumstances sometimes and you are not in charge. And you can choose to ignore me, you know ? If
you can. I think you are addicted to adversity for it's own sake and sticking out your lower lip
whn you don;t get your way. Now, if you answer this post, we'll all know that even if it was a
daunting task, you read it, understood the words and plied to it. Which In my opinion makes you a
finger pointer, for one thing and ... oh well, who cares ..... Now aside from my obvious
stupidity, writing style and lack of netiquette, is there some other reason you have a complaint
about me .... you don;t know me at all well enough to have one actually. So read it or don;t ...
who cares ! I was eating my lunch and had time to talk, see yuh later alligator ! Rainbow

I like your posts fine just the way they are rainbow. I always find them
interesting. :-)

--
Cheri
Type 2, no meds for now.

rainbow wrote in message
<[email hidden]>...

Hi Dave ... geez, hunnybunny you counted the words? I'm flattered that
you spent that much time on it ... so here it is ... how I feel about

K'neH'a'Iw said:

gman99 said:

My dietician doesn't mention carbs per se but does suggest certain type meals because they are
lower in fat. She wants me to watch my fat intake because my lipids were high. My last checkup
saw my lipids go down but my A1c was up...there's a trade off.

Interesting. When I started restricting the carbs I ate, my lipids improved. Although my diet has
a high proportion of fat. unfortunately the lipids never got good enough, so now I'm on meds.

How much did your lipids improve by restricting fat and adding carbs?

I can't remember off hand...they were near normal for a non-diabetic but my A1c jumped from 5.7 to
6.1 (lab normal <6.6). My BP is good, right around the 120/80 mark so I'm not too concerned about my
lipids. I'm currently trying better quality fats, less red meat, more chicken and fish reducing my
carbs again. I try to get around 150-200 g of carbs a day which is where I was after my DX. I was up
to about 200 to 300 a day when my A1c jumped to
6.1

Sam <[email hidden]> quoth:

Quoted message said:

"K'neH'a'Iw" <[email hidden]> wrote :

Quoted message said:

How are your lipids?

Drastically improving but still not "normal".

Quoted message said:

Did you tell your dietitian what you were doing and why?

No, she was not there to listen to anyone without a Dr. in front of their name.

Perhaps, then, you should return the favor? In this instance at least.

Don't mess with success.

Priscilla

Sam said:

"K'neH'a'Iw" <[email hidden]> wrote :

Quoted message said:

How are your lipids?

Drastically improving but still not "normal".

Quoted message said:

Did you tell your dietitian what you were doing and why?

No, she was not there to listen to anyone without a Dr. in front of their name.

I tend not to listen to people who don't listen to me as well. so;

If it were me, and that about is where I was. I would keep doing what I was doing until my lipids
were stable at some level, then attack the lipids.

It's possible that your lipids will never get really good, and you will need to take
something for that.

My reading indicates that restricting fat will not affect cholesterol much but eating more carbs
will make triglycerides higher. It seems you can affect the mix of LDL and HDL some by diet and
exercise. BTW my doctor concurs in the above generalizations, and put me on statins when my lipids
stopped improving.

My approach is that both diabetes and heart disease are long term problems and its worth taking a
few months to figure out what works, as long as you are working on it.

--
K'neH'a'Iw

Uncloaking, Shields up.

Sam said:

No, she was not there to listen to anyone without a Dr. in front of their name.

That says it all.

Unless there is some reason she gave you that you didn't give us, my logic would be "if it aint
broke, don't fix it". From my viewpoint those numbers are great. If there aren't other problems I'd
at least find a different dietician next time.

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz. dx May 2002 , A1C 8.2=>5.8, wt 117kg=>90kg, no meds, diet and not enough
exercise. I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully,
because experience can be an expensive teacher.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

that's it, suck up to her! 🙂

dave

Cheri said:

I like your posts fine just the way they are rainbow. I always find them interesting. :-)

--
Cheri Type 2, no meds for now.

rainbow wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

Hi Dave ... geez, hunnybunny you counted the words? I'm flattered that you spent that much time on
it ... so here it is ... how I feel about