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  1. (gman99) said:

    I can't remember off hand...they were near normal for a non-diabetic but my A1c jumped from 5.7 to
    6.1 (lab normal <6.6). My BP is good, right around the 120/80 mark so I'm not too concerned about
    my lipids. I'm currently trying better quality fats, less red meat, more chicken and fish reducing
    my carbs again. I try to get around 150-200 g of carbs a day which is where I was after my DX. I
    was up to about 200 to 300 a day when my A1c jumped to
    6.1

    Sounds good. Maybe a little extra pp testing to see what the changes do may get you under 6 again?

    Cheers, Alan, T2, Oz.
    --
    Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

  2. At the risk of sounding like a know it all, I will say this ... the dietician doesn't always have
    100% of all the facts. They only see numbers , med level and what you tell them. Alot of diabetic
    dieting is trial and error. They don't experience your exercise level, absolute food choices, or
    your stress level. Unless you do absolutely the same thing they tell you to do with the same brands.
    For instance. the white bread they use to compute however many carbs, may be different than what you
    use and the sugar and carb level is different, especially if the slices don't weigh ounce for ounce
    what you use. And are you using good measuring ? Most people don't, as a rule. One dietician allowed
    me popcorn early in the day, but I found the amount to be too much because it caused spikes, even if
    eaten before the gym. On the other hand, my sister, also diabetic, could eat a wagon load, lose
    weight and retain lower bg. 75 per meal sounds like alot, and I would tread most carefully. Try it
    for a couple of days and do what you need to adjust. I would and did discard the diet given to me
    because it was too far off the mark I had self set for success. I had set a really strict rule base
    for myself and was not willing to thriw mysekf to the wolves, so to speak, to accomplish the
    dietician's goal, which was moderate, compared to mine, If i had done what was prescribed, I would
    have given up alot in terms of control and leaning what my own body wasabout. The dietician did not
    believe that I was working out as much as I said. And I was. I lost 104lbs and gained some really
    sculpted lean muscles ... she actually asked me once how I had done this ... duh ? It was all that
    weight bearing exercise ! One dayt the gyn, a lady watching me working on one of the machines, asked
    dumbfoundeg. "did you get those arm muscles in he ?", well yeah, I did. I got labeled "obsessed".
    Not because I was, but because, according to her I had boxed myself in too tight, to a regimen most
    people wouldn't follow. new my greatest success wouldbe to lose the weight and gain lean muscles as
    fast as I could. My then endo told me that 1 in 20 people would actully do what was required. Other
    people rely on crutches and meds and half baked diet issues. I was highly motivated to succeed. When
    I discovered that the exchange diet wasn't getting me alongtoo far, I read everything I could and
    designed, for me myself what to do that made sense. I went from a size 3x to a 14 in 15 months, and
    from 325 bg to 70. Like a lot offolks who lose eight, I did not lose my hair, my nails grew alright,
    and I had energy. When I tried it their way, I coud hardly get out of bed, I was so tired, and my
    workouts suffered. & my hair and nails looked bad. Rainbow

  3. nice 575 word PARAGRAPH! (well, I didn't ACTUALLY read much of it!)

    dave

    rainbow said:

    At the risk of sounding like a know it all, I will say this ... the dietician doesn't always have
    100% of all the facts. They only see numbers , med level and what you tell them. Alot of diabetic
    dieting is trial and error. They don't experience your exercise level, absolute food choices, or
    your stress level. Unless you do absolutely the same thing they tell you to do with the same
    brands. For instance. the white bread they use to compute however many carbs, may be different
    than what you use and the sugar and carb level is different, especially if the slices don't weigh
    ounce for ounce what you use. And are you using good measuring ? Most people don't, as a rule. One
    dietician allowed me popcorn early in the day, but I found the amount to be too much because it
    caused spikes, even if eaten before the gym. On the other hand, my sister, also diabetic, could
    eat a wagon load, lose weight and retain lower bg. 75 per meal sounds like alot, and I would tread
    most carefully. Try it for a couple of days and do what you need to adjust. I would and did
    discard the diet given to me because it was too far off the mark I had self set for success. I had
    set a really strict rule base for myself and was not willing to thriw mysekf to the wolves, so to
    speak, to accomplish the dietician's goal, which was moderate, compared to mine, If i had done
    what was prescribed, I would have given up alot in terms of control and leaning what my own body
    wasabout. The dietician did not believe that I was working out as much as I said. And I was. I
    lost 104lbs and gained some really sculpted lean muscles ... she actually asked me once how I had
    done this ... duh ? It was all that weight bearing exercise ! One dayt the gyn, a lady watching me
    working on one of the machines, asked dumbfoundeg. "did you get those arm muscles in he ?", well
    yeah, I did. I got labeled "obsessed". Not because I was, but because, according to her I had
    boxed myself in too tight, to a regimen most people wouldn't follow. new my greatest success
    wouldbe to lose the weight and gain lean muscles as fast as I could. My then endo told me that 1
    in 20 people would actully do what was required. Other people rely on crutches and meds and half
    baked diet issues. I was highly motivated to succeed. When I discovered that the exchange diet
    wasn't getting me alongtoo far, I read everything I could and designed, for me myself what to do
    that made sense. I went from a size 3x to a 14 in 15 months, and from 325 bg to 70. Like a lot
    offolks who lose eight, I did not lose my hair, my nails grew alright, and I had energy. When I
    tried it their way, I coud hardly get out of bed, I was so tired, and my workouts suffered. & my
    hair and nails looked bad. Rainbow

  4. Just a bit trollish today aren't we Dave? You have mentioned this before.

    t2_lurking

    "Bay Area Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    nice 575 word PARAGRAPH! (well, I didn't ACTUALLY read much of it!)

    dave

  5. yes and you have mentioned BEFORE that I have mentioned it before. bite me. (or filter me) dave

    t2_lurking said:

    Just a bit trollish today aren't we Dave? You have mentioned this before.

    t2_lurking

    "Bay Area Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    nice 575 word PARAGRAPH! (well, I didn't ACTUALLY read much of it!)

    dave


  6. No you

  7. ah, you go FIRST this time! check out ASD...

    dave

    t2_lurking said:

    No you

  8. I've got two "Bite Mes" today. (gman and BA Dave) Pretty good for a Tuesday.
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    "Bay Area Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    ah, you go FIRST this time! check out ASD...

    dave

    t2_lurking said:

    No you

  9. hey, the nerve of somebody's kids! I'm the original "bite me" retort guy! Everyone else is
    mock turtle!

    dave

    t2_lurking said:

    I've got two "Bite Mes" today. (gman and BA Dave) Pretty good for a Tuesday.

  10. We've all been here a long time Dave. I like rainbow and I'm glad to see
    her posting again, no matter if you like her style or not. If that's
    sucking up, so be it, and if you don't like it...go suck a lemon. :-)

    --
    Cheri
    Type 2, no meds for now.

    Bay Area Dave wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:

    that's it, suck up to her! 🙂

    dave

  11. well, let's agree to disagree.

    dave

    rainbow said:

    The first time you said anything to me, I took THAT as snippy ... 'cause, hey, IT WAS ! Rainbow

  12. I've got a lemon tree in my back yard! 🙂

    dave

    Cheri said:

    We've all been here a long time Dave. I like rainbow and I'm glad to see her posting again, no
    matter if you like her style or not. If that's sucking up, so be it, and if you don't like it...go
    suck a lemon. :-)

    --
    Cheri Type 2, no meds for now.

    Bay Area Dave wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:

    that's it, suck up to her! 🙂

    dave

  13. Sam said:

    I just got back from the dietitian who wants me to eat 60-75 carbs per meal. That's nearly the
    amount I have found causes slight spikes in my BG(120-140). Is the "Exchange" diet really the
    state of the art in diabeties control? Should I just nod my head a lot and then keep doing
    what is working for me? I've been keeping my BG <100 and my A1C <5 by sticking to 20-30 grams
    per meal.

    Well... If it ain't broke why fix it?

    Seriously... Why is she asking you to change what you're doing? Did she ask what your latest A1c
    was? Did she ask what you were currently eating?

    Or did she mindlessly give you the same "lecture" and diet she gives everyone irregardless of
    current control, eating preferences or exercise level?

    One size does not fit all.

    Jennifer

  14. you sound like you are high!

    You said "lunatic"; not me...

    dave

    rainbow said:

    Oh I didn;t get all bent out of shape, sweetie deetie doodley do ! LOL ! I was giggly as a lunatic
    when I wrote that.

  15. Quite some time ago, Jennifer, I was given that old diet sheet and told to be good. No adjustments
    for anything ... It made me go find out what to do, on the internet ... I learned as much as I
    could, then was told everything on the internet was [censored] and don't listen. That was really rotten
    advice. I am too glad I didn't listen. My a1c @ dx was 16 but I got it to 6 on my own. Bg was 325,
    then 70 on my own. Because my exercise level wasso extreme, I had to learn to balance all this stuff
    and I had help from a good trainer. The "diabetic educator" I saw, because it was provided by my
    insurance at that time, knew nowhere near what I did. That's the thing, you know ? This is a very
    manageable thing, this disease, you have alot of control over how it developes and how it is
    handled. And there is wonderful info on the internet, if you look. I feel like when people are first
    diagnosed they tend to be in denial, and when you've been at it a while, you get complacent. You are
    best served by stepping up to the plate for yourself and not just assuming that the person telling
    you what to do, is right, People should ask questios even if they sound stupid. Mistakes can be
    made. Some people are so intimidated in a medical setting that they just "do as told". And some
    people don't want to appear like they don't know anything. I just had to go to the doctor for a cold
    that was escalating to something more and even though I knew all the stuff already, I asked about a
    million and a half questions anyway. Drugs change, stuff changes .. Rainbow

  16. Jennifer said:
    Sam said:

    I just got back from the dietitian who wants me to eat 60-75 carbs per meal. That's nearly
    the amount I have found causes slight spikes in my BG(120-140). Is the "Exchange" diet really
    the state of the art in diabeties control? Should I just nod my head a lot and then keep
    doing what is working for me? I've been keeping my BG <100 and my A1C <5 by sticking to 20-30
    grams per meal.

    Well... If it ain't broke why fix it?

    Seriously... Why is she asking you to change what you're doing? Did she ask what your latest A1c
    was? Did she ask what you were currently eating?

    Or did she mindlessly give you the same "lecture" and diet she gives everyone irregardless of
    current control, eating preferences or exercise level?

    One size does not fit all.

    Jennifer

    you forgot a very important question:

    Is this dietician actually trained in diabetes care, or just a regular dietician?

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  17. Me too, but only one lemon this year. :-(

    --
    Cheri
    Type 2, no meds for now.

    Bay Area Dave wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:

    I've got a lemon tree in my back yard! 🙂

    dave

  18. Were you a member of "Up with People" back in the 60's? 🙂

    dave

    rainbow said:

    I don't use drugs or alcohol ... bth things ae a waste to me. If i am giggly and "high", dearie
    doo. it's on life !!! Rainbow

  19. Bummer, we have so many they are wasting away on the tree. I did harvest all the good oranges
    though. Either the squirrels or birds have eaten quite a few of the oranges (navel - we have a dwarf
    lemon and orange) and they pass up the lemons. In fact both trees have more fruit on them since they
    were planted in the 70's. Our one cherry tree which gets pollinated by our neighbor's tree didn't
    give us a single edible cherry this year, but last year IT had the biggest crop of bing cherries
    since the 70's. I guess the weather must be more favorable to citrus this year in our area.

    Did you feed your tree citrus food a couple of times? I try to remember to feed them avocado/citrus
    food or the oranges are so sour no one will eat them.

    Come on down and I'll give you a dozen lemons! The oranges are all gone now.

    dave

    Cheri said:

    Me too, but only one lemon this year. :-(

    --
    Cheri Type 2, no meds for now.

    Bay Area Dave wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:

    I've got a lemon tree in my back yard! 🙂

    dave

  20. "Jennifer" <[email hidden]> wrote :

    Quoted message said:


    Seriously... Why is she asking you to change what you're doing?

    She is the expert. I was sent to her for "Diabetes Education".

    Quoted message said:

    Did she ask what your latest A1c was? Did she ask what you were currently eating?

    She had my records.

    Quoted message said:

    Or did she mindlessly give you the same "lecture" and diet she gives everyone irregardless of
    current control, eating preferences or exercise level?

    Apparently. She even gave me a calorie amount that was exactly the same as the one she gave
    someone 30 years older and 100 lbs lighter. A calorie amount that would be ~60% of my BMR
    minimum. IOW, a recipe for failure.

    The more I think about it the more disgusted I get...

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