?Exchange?

bwha ha ha ha

and you deleted the part where i emphasized FOR ME!!!!!!

flower child up your ass dave....... i've never said anything to your absurd posts

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everyone doesn't eat the same number of carbs, Flower child.

dave

Tiger Lily said:

LOL...... is she serious???????

man..... i eat about 100gm of carbs per DAY and i'm a t1 on insulin!

my aren't we prim and proper today!!! 🙂 I love it when folks lose control of their cool... makes
you look like...

dave

Tiger Lily said:

bwha ha ha ha

and you deleted the part where i emphasized FOR ME!!!!!!

flower child up your ass dave....... i've never said anything to your absurd posts

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everyone doesn't eat the same number of carbs, Flower child.

dave

Tiger Lily said:

LOL...... is she serious???????

man..... i eat about 100gm of carbs per DAY and i'm a t1 on insulin!

the words you snipped are

i limit my carbs to 100 gm a day to ensure optimum bg control FOR ME being the key words

whatever you bleeding jerk

you don't have your own limits???

do you have a practice of distorting the original message to suit your purposes

i have ignored you until now, "Bay Area Dave" may you never make a mistake again

oh..... and if you thought i missed being "prim and proper" before, here this line

:-)

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my aren't we prim and proper today!!! 🙂 I love it when folks lose control of their cool... makes
you look like...

dave

Tiger Lily said:

bwha ha ha ha

and you deleted the part where i emphasized FOR ME!!!!!!

flower child up your ass dave....... i've never said anything to your

absurd

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posts

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everyone doesn't eat the same number of carbs, Flower child.

dave

Tiger Lily wrote:

>LOL...... is she serious???????
>
>man..... i eat about 100gm of carbs per DAY and i'm a t1 on insulin!
>

Bay Area Dave said:

my aren't we prim and proper today!!! 🙂 I love it when folks lose control of their cool... makes
you look like...

dave

laughing is losing control of one's cool?

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world filled with strife and terrorism.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."

...Theodore Roosevelt

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Tiger Lily said:

bwha ha ha ha

and you deleted the part where i emphasized FOR ME!!!!!!

flower child up your ass dave....... i've never said anything to your absurd posts

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everyone doesn't eat the same number of carbs, Flower child.

dave

Tiger Lily wrote:

>LOL...... is she serious???????
>
>man..... i eat about 100gm of carbs per DAY and i'm a t1 on insulin!
>

I think you need to go into apology mode! I didn't snip ANYTHING FROM YOUR POST, you foul mouth
miscreant! Why do you persist in lying about the post I quoted?? Perhaps you've got the thread
discombobulated on your news reader. In any event, I didn't distort your post. Check again.

dave

Tiger Lily wrote: snip the rudeness of Flower Child

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:33:28 -0800 (PST),

(rainbow) said:

Oh Lord NO ... "Up With People" was masquerading as a positive thing and there was all this stuff
about it being a "cult" or some kind of weirdo orgaizaion. Very suspicious ! I do not use drugs or
alcohol because it would cause me to . do . something . strange . and . I . might . lose . control
. or . begin . to . type . in . an . oddball . manner. Rainbow

LOL

Go right ahead........I doubt we'd see any difference........

Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide
+ Asprin 210lbs at Dx to BMI 166lbs achieved. But now, 4Lbs Fatter!!! To mail: aspen at freeuk.com

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"Jennifer" <[email hidden]> wrote :

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Seriously... Why is she asking you to change what you're doing?

She is the expert. I was sent to her for "Diabetes Education".

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Did she ask what your latest A1c was? Did she ask what you were currently eating?

She had my records.

Quoted message said:

Or did she mindlessly give you the same "lecture" and diet she gives everyone irregardless of
current control, eating preferences or exercise level?

Apparently. She even gave me a calorie amount that was exactly the

same

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as the one she gave someone 30 years older and 100 lbs lighter. A calorie amount that would be
~60% of my BMR minimum. IOW, a recipe for failure.

The more I think about it the more disgusted I get...

Have you considered writing a complaint? It may not change things immediately but it can make the
powers that be aware that not everyone is satisfied with the care received.

I was lucky. The dietician I saw was pretty good but the hospital has a good diabetes education
center. No way was I told to eat that many carbs. Of course, I had already been eating a fairly good
diet and knew the basics of nutrition so I was able to make my own judgements on the information
recieved. Some people in the class had no concept whatsoever of what constituted even a marginally
healthy way of eating.

One woman stated flat out that she wasn't going to "follow no diet." Diabetes was going to kill her
anyway. This dietician was up against a lot of resistance to even the most basic changes in eating.
In the classroom setting she explained a more generic diet. When I met with her one on one, she
listened (I know, something rare) to what I was saying and then gave me input on what I was doing.
She supported my eating plan because it was working for me. I eat <150 (usually <125) grms per day
and try to include lotsa chicken fish and veggies with only occassion excursions into the land of
french fries. My a1c's have consistently been <6 since a diagnosis of
10.8.

c

Bay Area Dave said:

Were you a member of "Up with People" back in the 60's? 🙂 dave

<G> nope they have all become teachers and social workers......

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rainbow wrote:

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I don't use drugs or alcohol ... bth things ae a waste to me. If i am giggly and "high", dearie
doo. it's on life !!! Rainbow

Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide
+ Asprin 210lbs at Dx to BMI 166lbs achieved. But now, 4Lbs Fatter!!! To mail: aspen at freeuk.com

One of single greatest things I have ever done was to read the Gretchen Becker book "The First Year
Type 2 Diabetes: An Essential Guide for the Newly Diagnosed" right after my dx. If I had followed
what the CDE had told me I think I'd be in some pretty bad shape right now. Well at least not in as
good a shape as I perceive myself to be.
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"Sam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Jennifer" <[email hidden]> wrote :

Quoted message said:

Seriously... Why is she asking you to change what you're doing?

She is the expert. I was sent to her for "Diabetes Education".

Quoted message said:

Did she ask what your latest A1c was? Did she ask what you were currently eating?

She had my records.

Quoted message said:

Or did she mindlessly give you the same "lecture" and diet she gives everyone irregardless of
current control, eating preferences or exercise level?

Apparently. She even gave me a calorie amount that was exactly the

same

Quoted message said:

as the one she gave someone 30 years older and 100 lbs lighter. A

calorie

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

amount that would be ~60% of my BMR minimum. IOW, a recipe for failure.

The more I think about it the more disgusted I get...

Have you considered writing a complaint? It may not change things immediately but it can make the
powers that be aware that not everyone is satisfied with the care received.

I was lucky. The dietician I saw was pretty good but the hospital has a good diabetes education
center. No way was I told to eat that many carbs. Of course, I had already been eating a fairly
good diet and knew the

basics

Quoted message said:

of nutrition so I was able to make my own judgements on the information recieved. Some people in
the class had no concept whatsoever of what constituted even a marginally healthy way of eating.

One woman stated flat out that she wasn't going to "follow no diet." Diabetes was going to kill
her anyway. This dietician was up against a

lot

Quoted message said:

of resistance to even the most basic changes in eating. In the classroom setting she explained a
more generic diet. When I met with her one on

one,

Quoted message said:

she listened (I know, something rare) to what I was saying and then gave

me

Quoted message said:

input on what I was doing. She supported my eating plan because it was working for me. I eat <150
(usually <125) grms per day and try to include lotsa chicken fish and veggies with only occassion
excursions into the

land

Quoted message said:

of french fries. My a1c's have consistently been <6 since a diagnosis of
10.8.

c

no, it was the "ass" comment which was followed by the "F" word in a subsequent post. I think that
qualifies quite handily as losing one's cool. You shouldn't be a stranger to that phenomenon.

dave

Mack said:

Bay Area Dave said:

my aren't we prim and proper today!!! 🙂 I love it when folks lose control of their cool... makes
you look like...

dave

laughing is losing control of one's cool?

Mack Type 1 since 1975 alt-support-diabetes.orgalt-support-diabetes.orgOpen ↗ insulin-pumpers.orginsulin-pumpers.orgOpen ↗

In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a
world filled with strife and terrorism.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."

...Theodore Roosevelt

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Tiger Lily said:

bwha ha ha ha

and you deleted the part where i emphasized FOR ME!!!!!!

flower child up your ass dave....... i've never said anything to your absurd posts

"Bay Area Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>everyone doesn't eat the same number of carbs, Flower child.
>
>dave
>
>Tiger Lily wrote:
>
>
>
>>LOL...... is she serious???????
>>
>>man..... i eat about 100gm of carbs per DAY and i'm a t1 on insulin!
>>
>

Bay Area Dave said:

I've got a lemon tree in my back yard! 🙂 dave

then stop suckin on it............

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Cheri said:

We've all been here a long time Dave. I like rainbow and I'm glad to see her posting again, no
matter if you like her style or not. If that's sucking up, so be it, and if you don't like
it...go suck a lemon. :-)

--
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Bay Area Dave wrote in message ...

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that's it, suck up to her! 🙂

dave

Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide
+ Asprin 210lbs at Dx to BMI 166lbs achieved. But now, 4Lbs Fatter!!! To mail: aspen at freeuk.com

Bay Area Dave said:

no, it was the "ass" comment which was followed by the "F" word in a subsequent post. I think that
qualifies quite handily as losing one's cool. You shouldn't be a stranger to that phenomenon.

dave

you are right, I've seen your example in the freestyle flash thread. or are you saying, do as I say
not as I do?

calm yourself Dave.

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In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a
world filled with strife and terrorism.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."

...Theodore Roosevelt

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Mack said:

Bay Area Dave said:

my aren't we prim and proper today!!! 🙂 I love it when folks lose control of their cool... makes
you look like...

dave

laughing is losing control of one's cool?

Mack Type 1 since 1975 alt-support-diabetes.orgalt-support-diabetes.orgOpen ↗ insulin-pumpers.orginsulin-pumpers.orgOpen ↗

In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in
a world filled with strife and terrorism.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."

...Theodore Roosevelt

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Tiger Lily wrote:

>bwha ha ha ha
>
>and you deleted the part where i emphasized FOR ME!!!!!!
>
>flower child up your ass dave....... i've never said anything to your absurd posts
>
>
>
>"Bay Area Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
>
>>everyone doesn't eat the same number of carbs, Flower child.
>>
>>dave
>>
>>Tiger Lily wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>LOL...... is she serious???????
>>>
>>>man..... i eat about 100gm of carbs per DAY and i'm a t1 on insulin!
>>>
>>

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I just got back from the dietitian who wants me to eat 60-75 carbs per meal. That's nearly the
amount I have found causes slight spikes in my BG(120-140). Is the "Exchange" diet really the
state of the art in

diabeties

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control? Should I just nod my head a lot and then keep doing what is

working

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for me? I've been keeping my BG <100 and my A1C <5 by sticking to 20-30 grams per meal.

I would not call BG of 120-140 to be slight spikes. What was it before eating? Why would you want to
keep your BG <100? Most of us use these goals: <110 fasting, <140 at one hour after eating, and <120
at two hours after eating. Sounds like you can eat more carbs than you have been, but perhaps not as
much as the dietician thinks you can.

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I've got two "Bite Mes" today. (gman and BA Dave) Pretty good for a Tuesday.

How many carbs per bite?

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"Julie Bove" <[email hidden]> wrote :

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Why would you want to keep your BG <100?

Because I start feeling a little dizzy at 110. I know I'm not supposed to, but I do. I will be
going to see a neurologist in case something else is wrong, but for now, I try to keep my BG
really low.

i presume you know that a bg of 110 should not cause dizziness. I hope you get back to us when you
find the true source of your problem. Good luck.

dave

Sam said:

"Julie Bove" <[email hidden]> wrote :

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Why would you want to keep your BG <100?

Because I start feeling a little dizzy at 110. I know I'm not supposed to, but I do. I will be
going to see a neurologist in case something else is wrong, but for now, I try to keep my BG
really low.

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"Julie Bove" <[email hidden]> wrote :

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Why would you want to keep your BG <100?

Because I start feeling a little dizzy at 110. I know I'm not supposed to, but I do. I will be
going to see a neurologist in case something else

is

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wrong, but for now, I try to keep my BG really low.

Hmmm... That is really strange!

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Good News! No Carbs per Bite-Me, but a load of Giggles

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I've got two "Bite Mes" today. (gman and BA Dave) Pretty good for a Tuesday.

How many carbs per bite?

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LOL!

DAVE

Julie Bove said:

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berlin.de...

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I've got two "Bite Mes" today. (gman and BA Dave) Pretty good for a Tuesday.

How many carbs per bite?

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I just got back from the dietitian who wants me to eat 60-75 carbs per meal.

I was told not to go over 30 carbs per meal and 15 for a snack. This is on the exchange
program. Betty.