wool jerseys?

On Nov 20, 12:50 pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Any websites that sell good wool
jerseys? I'm just tired of freezing my
ass in synthetics that promise but don't
deliver.

Why don't you just wear heavier synthetic jerseys? Or several
layers? I'm sure wool clothes work but as Ozark said, the price is
unbelievable. Wool must be the newest in thing to have and the
sellers figure they can charge anything they want because there are
lots of fools willing to pay anything. Great business if you can get
it. Rivendell follows this model. Colnago follows this model. Trek
too with its $7000 Madone bikes.

If you just want to try wool clothes while biking, consider getting
wool sweaters from the Good Will store. Or if you have to have new,
Campmor and other camping places sell wool crewneck underwear for not
a lot of money.

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On Nov 20, 12:50 pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Any websites that sell good wool
jerseys? I'm just tired of freezing my
ass in synthetics that promise but don't
deliver.

Why don't you just wear heavier synthetic jerseys? Or several
layers? I'm sure wool clothes work but as Ozark said, the price is
unbelievable.

IIRC, good wool jerseys retailed for $35-40 in the mid-1980s.
According to the inflation calculator at Westegg.com, $35 in "1985
dollars" is $65.49 in "2006 dollars". so, the price of a wool jersey
has effectively doubled (adjusted for inflation) in the past ~20
years. I would consider a new wool jersey if the retail price was
$65-70; but at $130+, never!

Quoted message said:

Wool must be the newest in thing to have and the
sellers figure they can charge anything they want because there are
lots of fools willing to pay anything. Great business if you can get
it. Rivendell follows this model. Colnago follows this model. Trek
too with its $7000 Madone bikes.

If you just want to try wool clothes while biking, consider getting
wool sweaters from the Good Will store. Or if you have to have new,
Campmor and other camping places sell wool crewneck underwear for not
a lot of money.

Crescentius Vespasianus said:

Any websites that sell good wool jerseys? I'm just tired of freezing my
ass in synthetics that promise but don't deliver.

Mr. Kucharik still sells wool and has been in business since dirt was new.

I don't think their prices are outrageous and I know their quality is
excellent. I've been buying from him since the early 70's - never had an
article I wasn't happy with.

http://www.kucharikclothing.com/all-wool-c-43.html?osCsid=9ef02e898101e4a27b0854ee5c8654a3

Cheers,

Tom

Quoted message said:

Any websites that sell good wool
jerseys?

I've been thinking abt switching back to wool as well.

If you read the Rivendell catalog they seem to swear by
it

I'm curious if a very think wool t shirt is also a good
idea in HOT weather as well?

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<"[email hidden]"> wrote:

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If you just want to try wool clothes while biking, consider getting
wool sweaters from the Good Will store.

.....

Current going rate for Merino or Lambswool pullovers at local
thriftshops: $8. These form comfortable, stenchless base layers.

Tom said:

Crescentius Vespasianus said:

Any websites that sell good wool jerseys? I'm just tired of freezing my
ass in synthetics that promise but don't deliver.

Mr. Kucharik still sells wool and has been in business since dirt was new.

I don't think their prices are outrageous and I know their quality is
excellent. I've been buying from him since the early 70's - never had an
article I wasn't happy with.

http://www.kucharikclothing.com/all-wool-c-43.html?osCsid=9ef02e89810...

Cheers,

Tom

Thanks for that link, I had forgotten about Kucharik. Less than $60
for a LS "wool blend" jersey is a good deal. I'm tempted......

On Nov 20, 12:50 pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Any websites that sell good wool
jerseys? I'm just tired of freezing my
ass in synthetics that promise but don't
deliver.

I'm kind of 'budget minded' and the last time I looked for wool
'cycling' jerseys I got a bad case of sticker shock.

Instead, I decided to check E-bay for 'mens wool jersey' and found
that I could get a nice jersey in the $10.00 - $20.00 range.

OK, so it doesn't have rear pockets but it feels nice and works like a
cycling jersey would.

Lewis.

*****

Tom said:

Crescentius Vespasianus said:

Any websites that sell good wool jerseys? I'm just tired of freezing my
ass in synthetics that promise but don't deliver.

Mr. Kucharik still sells wool and has been in business since dirt was new.

I don't think their prices are outrageous and I know their quality is
excellent. I've been buying from him since the early 70's - never had an
article I wasn't happy with.

http://www.kucharikclothing.com/all-wool-c-43.html?osCsid=9ef02e89810...

Cheers,

Tom

The above link talks about merino wool. I have been happy with
Smartwool socks for winter wear, which are merino wool treated with a
proprietary process http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartwool . Smartwool
is the only kind of wool I have ever worn itch-free. I have never
tried any merino wool garment, without the Smartwool additional
treatment.

J.

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Tom said:

Crescentius Vespasianus said:

Any websites that sell good wool jerseys? I'm just tired of freezing my
ass in synthetics that promise but don't deliver.

Mr. Kucharik still sells wool and has been in business since dirt was new.

I don't think their prices are outrageous and I know their quality is
excellent. I've been buying from him since the early 70's - never had an
article I wasn't happy with.

http://www.kucharikclothing.com/all-wool-c-43.html?osCsid=9ef02e89810...

Cheers,

Tom

The above link talks about merino wool. I have been happy with
Smartwool socks for winter wear, which are merino wool treated with a
proprietary process http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartwool . Smartwool
is the only kind of wool I have ever worn itch-free. I have never
tried any merino wool garment, without the Smartwool additional
treatment.

J.

J. -

Merino wool fibers have a diameter of 15 to 25 microns and are thus
considered to be of "fine grade".

Itchiness is usually encountered when even a very small percentage of
the fibers in a garment exceed ~28 microns.

I'm not sure what the proprietary process for Smartwool is and why it
would make a fiber that is already itch-free be, well, itch-free. But
then, I've not seen the sights a girl can see from Brooklyn
Heights....what a crazy pair....

I have never had a problem with wool jerseys being itchy, and I have
rather sensitive skin. However, I have always worn Kucharik wool
jerseys, and I believe they have always been made of a "fine grade" of wool.

Merino wool is often considered fine enough to use in undergarments.
Oookaaay, so they do. I'm not signin' up for woolie tighty-whiteys, but
there you have it....

Cheers,

Tom

Tom said:

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Tom said:

Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
> Any websites that sell good wool jerseys? I'm just tired of freezing my
> ass in synthetics that promise but don't deliver.
Mr. Kucharik still sells wool and has been in business since dirt was new.

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I don't think their prices are outrageous and I know their quality is
excellent. I've been buying from him since the early 70's - never had an
article I wasn't happy with.

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http://www.kucharikclothing.com/all-wool-c-43.html?osCsid=9ef02e89810...

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Cheers,

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Tom

Quoted message said:

The above link talks about merino wool. I have been happy with
Smartwool socks for winter wear, which are merino wool treated with a
proprietary processhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartwool. Smartwool
is the only kind of wool I have ever worn itch-free. I have never
tried any merino wool garment, without the Smartwool additional
treatment.

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J.

J. -

Merino wool fibers have a diameter of 15 to 25 microns and are thus
considered to be of "fine grade".

Itchiness is usually encountered when even a very small percentage of
the fibers in a garment exceed ~28 microns.

I'm not sure what the proprietary process for Smartwool is and why it
would make a fiber that is already itch-free be, well, itch-free. But
then, I've not seen the sights a girl can see from Brooklyn
Heights....what a crazy pair....

But some others have been everywhere, from Zanzibar to Copley Square!

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I have never had a problem with wool jerseys being itchy, and I have
rather sensitive skin. However, I have always worn Kucharik wool
jerseys, and I believe they have always been made of a "fine grade" of wool.

Merino wool is often considered fine enough to use in undergarments.
Oookaaay, so they do. I'm not signin' up for woolie tighty-whiteys, but
there you have it....

Cheers,

Tom

Any websites that sell good wool
jerseys? I'm just tired of freezing my
ass in synthetics that promise but don't
deliver.

Ozark Bicycle said:

On Nov 20, 11:35 am, Tom <[email hidden]> wrote:

<snippage>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm not sure what the proprietary process for Smartwool is and why it
would make a fiber that is already itch-free be, well, itch-free. But
then, I've not seen the sights a girl can see from Brooklyn
Heights....what a crazy pair....

But some others have been everywhere, from Zanzibar to Copley Square!

And in all of these travels Peter and Patty have found this proprietary
ingredient that makes non-itchy stuff non-itchy...

Perhaps they met up with Hans Christian Anderson, who introduced them to
the Farabutto brothers...

Tom

Tom said:

Ozark Bicycle said:

On Nov 20, 11:35 am, Tom <[email hidden]> wrote:

<snippage>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm not sure what the proprietary process for Smartwool is and why it
would make a fiber that is already itch-free be, well, itch-free. But
then, I've not seen the sights a girl can see from Brooklyn
Heights....what a crazy pair....

Quoted message said:

But some others have been everywhere, from Zanzibar to Copley Square!

And in all of these travels Peter and Patty have found this proprietary
ingredient that makes non-itchy stuff non-itchy...

Perhaps they met up with Hans Christian Anderson, who introduced them to
the Farabutto brothers...

Don't the Farabutto Bros. hold the patents on Stiff But Compliant and
Unyielding Yet Comfortable?

Ozark Bicycle said:

Tom said:

Ozark Bicycle said:

On Nov 20, 11:35 am, Tom <[email hidden]> wrote:

<snippage>

Quoted message said:

> I'm not sure what the proprietary process for Smartwool is and why it
> would make a fiber that is already itch-free be, well, itch-free. But
> then, I've not seen the sights a girl can see from Brooklyn
> Heights....what a crazy pair....
But some others have been everywhere, from Zanzibar to Copley Square!

And in all of these travels Peter and Patty have found this proprietary
ingredient that makes non-itchy stuff non-itchy...

Perhaps they met up with Hans Christian Anderson, who introduced them to
the Farabutto brothers...

Don't the Farabutto Bros. hold the patents on Stiff But Compliant and
Unyielding Yet Comfortable?

I don't know; I would have to Google that. I do recall hearing reports
of them living near Barclay Square, though...

Cheers,

Tom

Tom said:

Ozark Bicycle said:

Tom said:

Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> On Nov 20, 11:35 am, Tom <[email hidden]> wrote:
<snippage>
>> I'm not sure what the proprietary process for Smartwool is and why it
>> would make a fiber that is already itch-free be, well, itch-free. But
>> then, I've not seen the sights a girl can see from Brooklyn
>> Heights....what a crazy pair....
> But some others have been everywhere, from Zanzibar to Copley Square!
And in all of these travels Peter and Patty have found this proprietary
ingredient that makes non-itchy stuff non-itchy...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Perhaps they met up with Hans Christian Anderson, who introduced them to
the Farabutto brothers...

Quoted message said:

Don't the Farabutto Bros. hold the patents on Stiff But Compliant and
Unyielding Yet Comfortable?

I don't know; I would have to Google that. I do recall hearing reports
of them living near Barclay Square, though...

A nightingale sings in Barclay Square, but wasn't it "Copley Square"
in the Patty Duke Show lyric?

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<[email hidden]>,

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On Nov 20, 12:50 pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Any websites that sell good wool jerseys? I'm just tired of
freezing my ass in synthetics that promise but don't deliver.

Why don't you just wear heavier synthetic jerseys? Or several
layers? I'm sure wool clothes work but as Ozark said, the price is
unbelievable. Wool must be the newest in thing to have and the
sellers figure they can charge anything they want because there are
lots of fools willing to pay anything.

Wool's expensive to produce and economies of scale are harder to achieve
compared to spinning synthetic fibers 24/7 out of a bunch of machines.

In case you didn't know it, BTW, wool production is also subsidized
under the Farm Bill in the US. The subsidies ended in 1996 under the
Clinton Administration and were reintroduced in the 2002 Farm Bill. I
don't know if they will be extended in the current Farm bill.

http://www.ers.usda.gov/Features/farmbill/titles/titleIcommodities.htm

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2002/05/13/farm-bill.htm

http://farm.ewg.org/farm/region.php?fips=00000

Quoted message said:

If you just want to try wool clothes while biking, consider getting
wool sweaters from the Good Will store. Or if you have to have new,
Campmor and other camping places sell wool crewneck underwear for not
a lot of money.

Excellent suggestions. A regular old crew neck or turtleneck sweater is
a fine piece of cold weather cycling wear. Add consignment stores to
the list of resources.

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Any websites that sell good wool jerseys?

I've been thinking abt switching back to wool as well.

If you read the Rivendell catalog they seem to swear by it

I'm curious if a very think wool t shirt is also a good idea in HOT
weather as well?

I have some very thin wool T-shirts that are very comfortable on a hot
day. I find wool jerseys comfortable up into the 80s, but above that
they tend to get rather wet and heavy. In hot weather I wear
synthetics. I have an old performance synthetic jersey that is a knit
rather than woven material; it seems a but thicker but it is my most
comfortable hot weather jersey. Air seems to get through the material
easier.

"Ozark Bicycle" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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of them living near Barclay Square, though...

A nightingale sings in Barclay Square, but wasn't it "Copley Square"
in the Patty Duke Show lyric?

Meet Cathy, who's lived most everywhere,
From Zanzibar to Barclay Square.
But Patty's only seen the sight.
A girl can see from Brooklyn Heights --
What a crazy pair!
-tom

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On Nov 20, 12:50 pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Any websites that sell good wool jerseys? I'm just tired of
freezing my ass in synthetics that promise but don't deliver.

I'm kind of 'budget minded' and the last time I looked for wool
'cycling' jerseys I got a bad case of sticker shock.

Instead, I decided to check E-bay for 'mens wool jersey' and found
that I could get a nice jersey in the $10.00 - $20.00 range.

OK, so it doesn't have rear pockets but it feels nice and works like
a cycling jersey would.

Excellent idea. You know, with a simple musettte or a reasonable sized
bag on the bike, you don't need jersey pockets. I am always a bit
bemused to see some guy riding down the street on a stripped down bike
with hugely bulging jersey pockets.