Sergal wool shorts with real leather chamois are a great idea. They dry out after washing a lot faster that the Depends thick padding in many modern riding shorts. I know what feminine protection feels like now.
I had a bunch of wool shorts, tights and leg warmers - till the moths found them.
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> I've been thinking abt switching back to wool as well. > > If you read the Rivendell catalog they seem to swear by it
I'm waiting for someone to claim that wool shorts with real leather chamois are a great idea. Since Rivendell has now been brought up...
Yeah, right. For my money, "fake" chamois and lycra shorts, as opposed to the "real" things, are the best improvements in cycling equipment since the pneumatic tire. Those old shorts are horrible.
Yeah, wool is just what you need in 100+ degree temperatures.
In general, I agree. I have a pair of wool Kucharik shorts that have a synthetic chamois and are very comfortable even in warm weather. But they lack, ummm, support which can lead to some discomfort. The wool isn't really any hotter than Lycra, since the latter doesn't breath very well at all. But OTOH Lycra doesn't sag or just about fall off you if it gets rained on and the legs don't creep up as you ride. People used to wear suspenders with their wool shorts.
The other thing I find is that Lycra shorts last much, much longer than wool shorts. Wool doesn't have much abrasion resistance.
I had new pair of Giordana Lycra shorts that were about 10 years old. They started looking weird after I washed them and during the next wearing they just about fell off because the elastic in the Lycra deteriorated.
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote: >> I've been thinking abt switching back to wool as well.
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> I'm waiting for someone to claim that wool shorts with real leather > chamois are a great idea. Since Rivendell has now been brought > up...
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Yeah, right. For my money, "fake" chamois and lycra shorts, as opposed to the "real" things, are the best improvements in cycling equipment since the pneumatic tire. Those old shorts are horrible.
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Yeah, wool is just what you need in 100+ degree temperatures.
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In general, I agree. I have a pair of wool Kucharik shorts that have a synthetic chamois and are very comfortable even in warm weather. But they lack, ummm, support which can lead to some discomfort. The wool isn't really any hotter than Lycra, since the latter doesn't breath very well at all. But OTOH Lycra doesn't sag or just about fall off you if it gets rained on and the legs don't creep up as you ride. People used to wear suspenders with their wool shorts.
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The other thing I find is that Lycra shorts last much, much longer than wool shorts. Wool doesn't have much abrasion resistance.
I had new pair of Giordana Lycra shorts that were about 10 years old. They started looking weird after I washed them and during the next wearing they just about fell off because the elastic in the Lycra deteriorated.
Chas.
I think there may have been something about the Lycra Giordana was using at one point. In the late '80s I had a pair of Giordana shorts; they were great, nice long legs, nice fit, nice real chamois, etc. But the Lycra stretched and 'bagged out' in short order (far faster than the comparatively el-cheapo Performance shorts I also used at the time). Bummer....
OK, so we're still waiting for someone to stand up for wool shorts with a "real" leather chamois. Oh heck, we'll even settle for just one of the two! Any takers?
Stand up? Whasup?
mk5000
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OK, so we're still waiting for someone to stand up for wool shorts with a "real" leather chamois. Oh heck, we'll even settle for just one of the two! Any takers?
Stand up? Whasup?
mk5000
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"in order to adjust itself in order to adjust itself horse meat on monkey day? you again reads itself"--the matrix of the matrix of the matrix, "--jd nelson
Sergal wool shorts with real leather chamois are a great idea. They dry out after washing a lot faster that the Depends thick padding in many modern riding shorts. I know what feminine protection feels like now.
If you have shorts with synthetic chamois that take longer to dry than real leather, it's a pretty poor synthetic chamois. The fact that it takes longer to dry means it's going to keep moisture while riding as well. That's very bad. What brand are they?
Sergal wool shorts with real leather chamois are a great idea. They dry out after washing a lot faster that the Depends thick padding in many modern riding shorts. I know what feminine protection feels like now.
I had a bunch of wool shorts, tights and leg warmers - till the moths found them.
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> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote: > >> I've been thinking abt switching back to wool as well.
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well at all. But OTOH Lycra doesn't sag or just about fall off you
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wool shorts. Wool doesn't have much abrasion resistance.
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started looking weird after I washed them and during the next wearing
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just about fell off because the elastic in the Lycra deteriorated.
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I think there may have been something about the Lycra Giordana was using at one point. In the late '80s I had a pair of Giordana shorts; they were great, nice long legs, nice fit, nice real chamois, etc. But the Lycra stretched and 'bagged out' in short order (far faster than the comparatively el-cheapo Performance shorts I also used at the time). Bummer....
When I took them off it was like a snake shedding it's skin. They were a dead pile on the floor!
I have a pair of Sugoi Lycra shorts that take forever to dry. They fit well but the feminine protection like crotch pad tends to get caught on the front of my seat when I sit back down after riding out of the saddle.
I have short legs in proportion to my height and it's hard to find riding shorts that fit my waist but don't come down over my knees like knickers.
The advantage of real leather chamois is that it can be ridden comfortably while still damp. After the initial body shock and retraction they warm up and are nice and soft.
The disadvantage of Sergal and similar wool shorts is having to use suspenders (braces) to keep them from falling down.
On Nov 20, 10:50 am, Crescentius Vespasianus <[email hidden]>
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Any websites that sell good wool jerseys? I'm just tired of freezing my ass in synthetics that promise but don't deliver.
Anything connected to cycling gets marked up out of sight. Good wool 'tops' are available in a variety of guises from thrift shops to discount clothing stores. If you get them cheaply enough you can have a full zipper put in for a few bucks. One strategy i have used to good effect is to buy wool that is way too big and to wash and dry the machine ,hot water, anticipating shrink to fit. Look through your old collection of sweaters. Unless you must make a fashion statement you may find some useful treasures and the occasional moth hole probably won't have to much effect on you aerodynamics 😉
Sergal wool shorts with real leather chamois are a great idea. They dry out after washing a lot faster that the Depends thick padding in many modern riding shorts. I know what feminine protection feels like now.
I had a bunch of wool shorts, tights and leg warmers - till the moths found them.
I still have a bunch of wool jerseys, too, and like them for particular weather conditions. They are the perfect weight for use under rain gear -- good breathability and not too hot. As for leather chamois, I don't miss them. Not that I like some of the load-in-the- shorts synthetics, but I do like the fact that they do not have to be pampered like lap dogs. Wash and wear. -- Jay Beattie.
... I had a bunch of wool shorts, tights and leg warmers - till the moths found them.
Do not people use moth balls anymore?
-- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia "Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter
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After a while even mothballs give out.
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"Walnut oil will also work, but Almond is lower viscosity so it penetrates better. I get mine at a health food store. A small bottle seems expensive, but I've been using the same one for at least 10 years. Also works great on cutting boards around the kitchen."--
-- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia "Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter
On Nov 20, 10:50 am, Crescentius Vespasianus <[email hidden]>
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Any websites that sell good wool jerseys? I'm just tired of freezing my ass in synthetics that promise but don't deliver.
Anything connected to cycling gets marked up out of sight. Good wool 'tops' are available in a variety of guises from thrift shops to discount clothing stores. If you get them cheaply enough you can have a full zipper put in for a few bucks. One strategy i have used to good effect is to buy wool that is way too big and to wash and dry the machine ,hot water, anticipating shrink to fit. Look through your old collection of sweaters. Unless you must make a fashion statement you may find some useful treasures and the occasional moth hole probably won't have to much effect on you aerodynamics 😉
On Nov 20, 11:50 am, Crescentius Vespasianus <[email hidden]>
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Any websites that sell good wool jerseys? I'm just tired of freezing my ass in synthetics that promise but don't deliver.
you need to wear fleece. Its the best fabric available. It comes in all thicknesses and it stays dry and comfortable no matter what. You can get fleece underwear, mid-layers and jackets. and they are cheap. Depending on how cold it is, you can wear some thin synthetic underwear, a thin fleece layer, another thicker fleece vest and a nylon jacket on top. You can add and eliminate layers as you please. If you must wear wool, you can get a wool cashmire, or merino sweater on sale at Marshals, Ross, or any discount store.
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I keep woolens in ziploc --
ifyou cannot remember who this is they were also in odd Couplemk5000"Aren't they going to be pushing for Congressional investigations into all this if they recover one or both chambers of Congress? I'm looking forward to that. Should be very interesting, once the Democrats finish riding the Mark Foley scandal all the way to their coveted goal of majority status."--marvin the paranoid android
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Not surprisingly, China sucks up a LOT of wool. More than 3 times the next country (Italy), and that was in 2004. I'll bet it's even more lopsided today.
Italy doesn't need as much wool because it's a boot which is pretty warm
mk5000
"So keep my temper calm, collective and cool Cause I might ignite and go off, and leave nothing but your shoes To keep my temper calm, collective and cool Cause I might ignite and go off, and leave nothing but your shoes"-ain't havin none of that, z-ro
On Nov 20, 11:50 am, Crescentius Vespasianus <[email hidden]>
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Any websites that sell good wool jerseys? I'm just tired of freezing my ass in synthetics that promise but don't deliver.
you need to wear fleece. Its the best fabric available. It comes in all thicknesses and it stays dry and comfortable no matter what. You can get fleece underwear, mid-layers and jackets. and they are cheap. Depending on how cold it is, you can wear some thin synthetic underwear, a thin fleece layer, another thicker fleece vest and a nylon jacket on top. You can add and eliminate layers as you please. If you must wear wool, you can get a wool cashmire, or merino sweater on sale at Marshals, Ross, or any discount store.
If fleece is so great, why do the sheep wear wool instead?
-- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia "Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter
