I have to travel and shop alone the majority of the time.
One more good reason to simply travel armed.
If this girl had been, maybe she'd still be alive.
I've noted that most are too cowardly to address that issue.
I am not. I do not want to live in Dodge City. Even Dodge Citians got over that.
If there are more armed citizens, crime rates drop. Stats have proven that.
The police are always 5 to 15 minutes away for most of us. A lot can happen in that short period of time.
Where was this poor girls protection? Why did she die?
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I believe that the effort ought to be to make the streets safe for ordinary people, not turn every ordinary person into Dirty Harry. It can be done, because most of the world is safer than the US. You'd have to ask yourself why.
Since when?
You have to make the criminals afraid to attack you. -- Peace, Om
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I believe that the effort ought to be to make the streets safe for ordinary people, not turn every ordinary person into Dirty Harry. It can be done, because most of the world is safer than the US. You'd have to ask yourself why.
Since when?
You have to make the criminals afraid to attack you.
You have to make fewer criminal and violent people.
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I believe that the effort ought to be to make the streets safe for ordinary people, not turn every ordinary person into Dirty Harry. It can be done, because most of the world is safer than the US. You'd have to ask yourself why.
Since when?
You have to make the criminals afraid to attack you.
You have to make fewer criminal and violent people.
Will never happen, they breed faster than the rest of us.
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> > Virtually all these kind of crimes occur in broad daylight... no one > > should go out galavanting alone, especially not a young girl.
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> Do you take someone with you when you go to the store?
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Most times, yes... and for many reasons...
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Points well taken.
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Sometimes, though, it's just not practical to get someone.... if I need a couple of things at the grocery store or the pharmacy I wouldn't expect that there would be a friend with nothing to do at that particular moment, ready to accompany me. I drive into work alone and often stop on the way to run a quick errand.
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I always do look around for shady characters, and I like the point made by another poster about not parking next to a van or truck.
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I have to travel and shop alone the majority of the time.
One more good reason to simply travel armed.
If this girl had been, maybe she'd still be alive.
I've noted that most are too cowardly to address that issue. -- Peace, Om
I'm not sure the "who" or "what" you are referring to by "most are too cowardly to address that issue."
Regarding the girl, in many states, it is 'almost' or 'nearly' or down- right impossible to get a weapons permit.
I have known some who will carry a gun without a permit, while condemning others who support banning guns.
The gun & crime & protection issue is almost too hot of an issue (for most) to discuss even with relatives or friends. Some people speak out, others are a bit timid, if that is what you mean. Dee Dee
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I have to travel and shop alone the majority of the time.
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One more good reason to simply travel armed.
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If this girl had been, maybe she'd still be alive.
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I've noted that most are too cowardly to address that issue.
Well not me! I would love to be able to arm myself but our laws are very strict.
My daughter who lives in Germany came home on holiday once. At the airport they discovered a spray in her bag, (which are legal in Germany) and they gave her an awful time. Eventually they confiscated it and let her on her way (back to Germany)
I had that happen to me in Washington, D.C. They threatened to take me to jail. They had the hand-cuffs out. Scared me to death! Tourist, old woman in tennis shoes Dee Dee
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I have to travel and shop alone the majority of the time.
One more good reason to simply travel armed.
If this girl had been, maybe she'd still be alive.
I've noted that most are too cowardly to address that issue.
Well not me! I would love to be able to arm myself but our laws are very strict.
My daughter who lives in Germany came home on holiday once. At the airport they discovered a spray in her bag, (which are legal in Germany) and they gave her an awful time. Eventually they confiscated it and let her on her way (back to Germany)
If it was not illegal, why did they take it? :-(
She had been home and it was the UK passport control that took it.
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At the very least, you can arm yourself with pepper spray and a good folding lock back knife. I'm not trained in knife combat, but it's better than nothing.
Anyone carrying a knife or pepper spray will find themselve in trouble fast!!!
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The one I have has a belt clip. Clips nicely to the inside of my bra.
Would never try to get it thru an airport but I only fly if I HAVE to.
The pepper spray (small one) is on a keychain and there is a larger one in my purse.
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I have to travel and shop alone the majority of the time.
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One more good reason to simply travel armed.
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If this girl had been, maybe she'd still be alive.
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I've noted that most are too cowardly to address that issue.
Well not me! I would love to be able to arm myself but our laws are very strict.
My daughter who lives in Germany came home on holiday once. At the airport they discovered a spray in her bag, (which are legal in Germany) and they gave her an awful time. Eventually they confiscated it and let her on her way (back to Germany)
I had that happen to me in Washington, D.C. They threatened to take me to jail. They had the hand-cuffs out. Scared me to death! Tourist, old woman in tennis shoes
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I believe that the effort ought to be to make the streets safe for ordinary people, not turn every ordinary person into Dirty Harry. It can be done, because most of the world is safer than the US. You'd have to ask yourself why.
Since when?
You have to make the criminals afraid to attack you.
You have to make fewer criminal and violent people.
All it takes is one.
There are no countries that are Utopia. -- Peace, Om
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Well not me! I would love to be able to arm myself but our laws are very strict.
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My daughter who lives in Germany came home on holiday once. At the airport they discovered a spray in her bag, (which are legal in Germany) and they gave her an awful time. Eventually they confiscated it and let her on her way (back to Germany)
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I had that happen to me in Washington, D.C. They threatened to take me to jail. They had the hand-cuffs out. Scared me to death! Tourist, old woman in tennis shoes
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Evidently, not in Washington, D.C. is what I was told. Too bad I didn't know that before this little fiasco. But I didn't even realize I had it in my pocket. When asked to dump out my pockets, there it was, "the Pepper Spray!." Dee Dee
In article <[email hidden]>, Giusi <[email hidden]> wrote: > I believe that the effort ought to be to make the streets safe for > ordinary people, not turn every ordinary person into Dirty Harry. It can > be done, because most of the world is safer than the US. You'd have to > ask yourself why. Since when?
You have to make the criminals afraid to attack you.
You have to make fewer criminal and violent people.
All it takes is one.
There are no countries that are Utopia.
That is begging the entire subject, let alone the question. No, no place is Utopia. I did not say it was. But the violent crime rate in the US is a much higher percentage than most countries. Countries with wars and tribal fights aside, I believe the US is pretty much tops. Someone published the statistics a while back with a link and I looked at the figures many different ways and violent crime is just a scourge in the US. That's what you need to figure out. Babies are being born innocent and growing up to be monsters at a rate that outdoes other countries by a great deal. Arming every citizen won't solve a thing.
Omelet wrote: > In article <[email hidden]>, > Giusi <[email hidden]> wrote: >> I believe that the effort ought to be to make the streets safe for >> ordinary people, not turn every ordinary person into Dirty Harry. It can >> be done, because most of the world is safer than the US. You'd have to >> ask yourself why. > Since when? > > You have to make the criminals afraid to attack you. You have to make fewer criminal and violent people.
All it takes is one.
There are no countries that are Utopia.
That is begging the entire subject, let alone the question. No, no place is Utopia. I did not say it was. But the violent crime rate in the US is a much higher percentage than most countries. Countries with wars and tribal fights aside, I believe the US is pretty much tops. Someone published the statistics a while back with a link and I looked at the figures many different ways and violent crime is just a scourge in the US. That's what you need to figure out. Babies are being born innocent and growing up to be monsters at a rate that outdoes other countries by a great deal. Arming every citizen won't solve a thing.
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"Omelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:omp_omelet-> > I have to travel and shop alone the majority of the time.
> One more good reason to simply travel armed.
> If this girl had been, maybe she'd still be alive.
> I've noted that most are too cowardly to address that issue.
Well not me! I would love to be able to arm myself but our laws are very strict.
My daughter who lives in Germany came home on holiday once. At the airport they discovered a spray in her bag, (which are legal in Germany) and they gave her an awful time. Eventually they confiscated it and let her on her way (back to Germany)
I had that happen to me in Washington, D.C. They threatened to take me to jail. They had the hand-cuffs out. Scared me to death! Tourist, old woman in tennis shoes
OH dear🙁(( I though it was legal for you in US??
I don't think you can take it thru the airport. -- Peace, Om
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> Well not me! I would love to be able to arm myself but our laws are very > strict.
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I had that happen to me in Washington, D.C. They threatened to take me to jail. They had the hand-cuffs out. Scared me to death! Tourist, old woman in tennis shoes
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The laws in DC are being overturned. Their anti-weapon laws are draconian.
The supreme court recently overuled the DC gun ban. -- Peace, Om
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Anyone carrying a knife or pepper spray will find themselve in trouble fast!!!
Pepper spray is outlawed too???
It is in most places. Imagine what a great robbery tool it could be. Why bother to pull a gun on someone when you can just give him a quick, quiet spray (except for the screaming) and incapacitate the person.
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Yeesh!
I hope they supply the people with personal bodyguards at government expense!
Oddly, The only modern industrialized country where people feel a need to be armed or protected in the US, where so many people carry guns for "protection", many of them just living for the moment when they will get a chance to do so.
That is begging the entire subject, let alone the question. No, no place is Utopia. I did not say it was. But the violent crime rate in the US is a much higher percentage than most countries. Countries with wars and tribal fights aside, I believe the US is pretty much tops.
You just contradicted yourself.
If the people in Darfur had been armed, they would not be having the humanitarian crisis that exists there at the moment. -- Peace, Om
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On Jun 7, 11:09?am, "Ms P" <[email hidden]> wrote: > "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > >> Police Make Arrest in Kansas Teen's Death >> Girl's Body Reportedly Found at a Missouri Lake >> By MARIA SUDEKUM FISHER >> AP >> OVERLAND PARK, Kan. (June 7) - Police arrested a man in the >> abduction and death of a teenager whose body was found Wednesday >> in a Missouri park four days after she disappeared from a Kansas >> store's parking lot. > >> ----- > >> These kind of preditor crimes are so senseless, and are so TOTALLY >> preventable. Do parents these days have so much lower IQs than in >> the >> past? WTF happened to the buddy system??? When I was a kid >> parents just did not permit children to be outdoors alone, never! >> > This young >> girl could not have been nearly so popular as the media >> portrays or she'd not have been out to a mall all on her own. >> Sheldon > > She was 18. She graduated from high school two weeks ago. She > went to Target to buy a gift for a friend in *broad daylight.*
Virtually all these kind of crimes occur in broad daylight... no one should go out galavanting alone, especially not a young girl.
I noted that nowhere in this entire thread did anyone acknowledge the fact that if she had a weapon and was trained to use it, she might still be alive.
The daughter of Masaad Ayoob was nearly assaulted once but had a gun and had been trained to use it from at least as early of an age that I was taught to use firearms. Her attacker turned and ran.
He mentions it in his books more than once.
Cellphones and 911 are nowhere near as fast as a bullet.
So you're suggesting that kids should carry guns. You're kidding, right?
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I don't know about where Omelet lives but around here unless you're in the military you can't be licensed to carry a firearm at the age of 18. I'm not about to suggest someone obtain a gun illegally and not go through formal training (and continued training) about how to use one.
I understand OM is licensed to carry; she's obviously had some training. This isn't the movies where a cop just hands a civilian a gun (let alone drag one along with them) and says, "Don't be afraid to pull the trigger". Real life doesn't work that way.
Cellphones and 911 are nowhere near as fast as a bullet.
How about a surgically implanted GPS device. That will deter any would-be rapist.
Scott, why on earth would a GPS device deter a rapist (or murderer)? Unless he was confined to house arrest who is to say he wouldn't just grab someone on his way home from work or the grocery store? And you'd have to assume he'd already been convicted of a particular crime. Do you know how long Ted Bundy was out there before anything connected him to the rape/murders all across the U.S.? He was even a counselor on a suicide hotline, fer cryin' out loud! (Read Anne Rule's 'A Stranger Beside Me'😉.
Your theories about legalizing prostitution to prevent rape (I'm not against legalizing prostitution, but it's *not* a rape deterrent) and now this... sheesh!
