Re: WHY???

Omelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ophelia said:

Anyone carrying a knife or pepper spray will find themselve in
trouble fast!!!

Pepper spray is outlawed too???

Yeesh!

Sort of OB Food: Is it legal to carry an open bottle of Tabasco sauce (or
worse, Thai pepper sauce) in your hand?! Splashed in the eyes, I imagine it
would hurt a LOT.

Pete C. said:

Giusi said:

Omelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Giusi <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

> I believe that the effort ought to be to make the streets safe for
> ordinary people, not turn every ordinary person into Dirty Harry.
> It can be done, because most of the world is safer than the US.
> You'd have to ask yourself why.

Since when?

You have to make the criminals afraid to attack you.

You have to make fewer criminal and violent people.

Will never happen, they breed faster than the rest of us.

LOL! I'm sorry, it's politically incorrect for me to agree with that
statement.

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Dave Smith said:

Omelet said:

Quoted message said:

Anyone carrying a knife or pepper spray will find themselve in trouble
fast!!!

Pepper spray is outlawed too???

It is in most places. Imagine what a great robbery tool it could be. Why
bother to pull a gun on someone when you can just give him a quick, quiet
spray (except for the screaming) and incapacitate the person.

And it's harmless. It just hurts.
What states is it banned in just out of curiosity?
It's widely available here.

If you use it on a cop tho', they have the right to shoot to kill. ;-)
And in fact, being sprayed with it is part of police training. They have
to learn to work thru the pain.

Learned that one from a police academy trainer in tx.guns.
He's been a wealth of good information.

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Quoted message said:

Yeesh!

I hope they supply the people with personal bodyguards at government
expense!

Oddly, The only modern industrialized country where people feel a need to
be armed or protected in the US, where so many people carry guns for
"protection", many of them just living for the moment when they will get a
chance to do so.

????

Sorry, but that was not very coherent?
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jmcquown said:

I don't know about where Omelet lives but around here unless you're in the
military you can't be licensed to carry a firearm at the age of 18.

It is the same here in Texas. CHL at 21 unless you are a member of the
military, reserves or national guard, then it is 18.

I'd like to see that changed.

Quoted message said:

I'm not
about to suggest someone obtain a gun illegally and not go through formal
training (and continued training) about how to use one.

Anyone that owns a gun is obligated to train themselves or get some
training. Untrained weapons use is dangerous., but that is a whole
'nuther soap box.

Retiring into teaching is my long term goal. It's easier for women to be
trained by women. I've already seen this a couple of times at the range.

Quoted message said:

I understand OM is licensed to carry; she's obviously had some training.

I made an effort. ;-)

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This isn't the movies where a cop just hands a civilian a gun (let alone
drag one along with them) and says, "Don't be afraid to pull the trigger".
Real life doesn't work that way.

No, it doesn't.
I think it's Switzerland that requires every citizen to be armed and
know how to use one?

It's the most peaceful country on the planet.

Quoted message said:

Jill

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Omelet said:

Quoted message said:

I can post target jpegs.

Send me some please Kat!

Omelet said:

I think it's Switzerland that requires every citizen to be armed and
know how to use one?

It's the most peaceful country on the planet.

Each qualified adult MALE has a gun and is trained to use it. That is
how they avoid having a standing army. And it is not as peaceful as you
think. They don't go to war but they do have crime.

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Giusi said:

Omelet wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I think it's Switzerland that requires every citizen to be armed and
know how to use one?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It's the most peaceful country on the planet.

Each qualified adult MALE has a gun and is trained to use it. That is
how they avoid having a standing army. And it is not as peaceful as you
think. They don't go to war but they do have crime.

I've only spent a day there, but the uncontrolled scene of
users engaged in random violent vandalism around the needle
exchange center in a park in Zurich exceeded anything you'd
typically see in a park or public place in the U.S.

I assumed this was the result of some sort of "no arrest" policy,
but I don't really know.

Steve

(Steve Pope) said:

Giusi said:

Omelet said:

I think it's Switzerland that requires every citizen to be armed and
know how to use one?
It's the most peaceful country on the planet.

Quoted message said:

Each qualified adult MALE has a gun and is trained to use it. That is
how they avoid having a standing army. And it is not as peaceful as you
think. They don't go to war but they do have crime.

I've only spent a day there, but the uncontrolled scene of
users engaged in random violent vandalism around the needle
exchange center in a park in Zurich exceeded anything you'd
typically see in a park or public place in the U.S.

I assumed this was the result of some sort of "no arrest" policy,
but I don't really know.

Steve

I still reel at the thought of that scene. In the 70's we were
walking along the water, looking at the swans; I said, they're
something wrong here, I couldn't really put my finger on it. A few
minutes later I saw them shootin'-up, and passing the needles, all in
plain site. No problem. None were outrageously dressed or anything to
call your attention to them in that way. They weren't acting crazy or
outlandish. But I could've thrown-up, it really bothered me. As you
can see, it made quite the impression.
Dee Dee

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jmcquown said:

Omelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ophelia said:

Anyone carrying a knife or pepper spray will find themselve in
trouble fast!!!

Pepper spray is outlawed too???

Yeesh!

Sort of OB Food: Is it legal to carry an open bottle of Tabasco sauce (or
worse, Thai pepper sauce) in your hand?! Splashed in the eyes, I imagine it
would hurt a LOT.

That is actually not a bad idea... ;-)
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In article <[email hidden]>,

jmcquown said:

Pete C. said:

Giusi said:

Omelet wrote:
> In article <[email hidden]>,
> Giusi <[email hidden]> wrote:

>
>> I believe that the effort ought to be to make the streets safe for
>> ordinary people, not turn every ordinary person into Dirty Harry.
>> It can be done, because most of the world is safer than the US.
>> You'd have to ask yourself why.
>
> Since when?
>
> You have to make the criminals afraid to attack you.

You have to make fewer criminal and violent people.

Will never happen, they breed faster than the rest of us.

LOL! I'm sorry, it's politically incorrect for me to agree with that
statement.

Political correctness never has been based on reality. <G>
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Evidently, not in Washington, D.C. is what I was told. Too bad I
didn't know that before this little fiasco. But I didn't even
realize I had it in my pocket. When asked to dump out my pockets,
there it was, "the Pepper Spray!."
Dee Dee

The laws in DC are being overturned. Their anti-weapon laws are
draconian.

The supreme court recently overuled the DC gun ban.
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It will probably still be impossible for the common folk to legally
carry a concealed weapn. It might be semi-easy to buy a gun in
Virginia, but it is nigh-on impossible to get a license to carry a
concealed weapon. So basically, it leaves the owner at risk if they
use it.
Dee Dee

In article <[email hidden]>,

Giusi said:

Omelet said:

I think it's Switzerland that requires every citizen to be armed and
know how to use one?

It's the most peaceful country on the planet.

Each qualified adult MALE has a gun and is trained to use it. That is
how they avoid having a standing army. And it is not as peaceful as you
think. They don't go to war but they do have crime.

How much?
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Ophelia said:

Omelet said:

Quoted message said:

I can post target jpegs.

Send me some please Kat!

Ok, I've got your private e-mail. :-)

I've done best with the Taurus PT-92.
That thing is SO nice!
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Dee Dee said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Evidently, not in Washington, D.C. is what I was told. Too bad I
didn't know that before this little fiasco. But I didn't even
realize I had it in my pocket. When asked to dump out my pockets,
there it was, "the Pepper Spray!."
Dee Dee

The laws in DC are being overturned. Their anti-weapon laws are
draconian.

The supreme court recently overuled the DC gun ban.
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It will probably still be impossible for the common folk to legally
carry a concealed weapn. It might be semi-easy to buy a gun in
Virginia, but it is nigh-on impossible to get a license to carry a
concealed weapon. So basically, it leaves the owner at risk if they
use it.
Dee Dee

45 states have "must issue" laws.
They should come around eventually.
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jmcquown said:

Scott said:

Quoted message said:

Cellphones and 911 are nowhere near as fast as a bullet.

How about a surgically implanted GPS device. That will deter any
would-be rapist.

Scott, why on earth would a GPS device deter a rapist (or murderer)? Unless
he was confined to house arrest who is to say he wouldn't just grab someone
on his way home from work or the grocery store? And you'd have to assume
he'd already been convicted of a particular crime. Do you know how long Ted
Bundy was out there before anything connected him to the rape/murders all
across the U.S.? He was even a counselor on a suicide hotline, fer cryin'
out loud! (Read Anne Rule's 'A Stranger Beside Me'😉.

Your theories about legalizing prostitution to prevent rape (I'm not against
legalizing prostitution, but it's *not* a rape deterrent) and now this...
sheesh!

Jill

I think he meant GPS tag for rapidly locating the victim. Just means the
cops would find the body in time for a open casket... perhaps... Unlike
giving the potential victim a gun which will put her on at least an
equal level with the would be rapist, tracking wouldn't help in the
least.

Omelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Giusi said:

Omelet wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I think it's Switzerland that requires every citizen to be armed and
know how to use one?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It's the most peaceful country on the planet.

Quoted message said:

Each qualified adult MALE has a gun and is trained to use it. That is
how they avoid having a standing army. And it is not as peaceful as you
think. They don't go to war but they do have crime.

How much?

You probably need to research it yourself but good luck. It is
difficult to get good comparison stats but http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/en/index.html
is a good place to start.

In terms of violent crimes and gun crimes the rates when I last
looked, in the late 1990's, are much lower than those of the USA but
then all of the OECD countries have much lower rates. Even Canada
which is comparatively violent country is much lower than the USA.

Gun crimes, and I suspect defensive actions with guns are very low in
Switzerland, quite probably because every adult male is fairly well
trained in the use and dangers of guns [1]. IIRC even suicides by gun
are suprising low compared to other OECD countries. It appears that
guns are just a tool that one keeps in the closet until the invasion
happens, not something one carries around daily.

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

[1] There is also the rumour that you have to pay for any ammunition
unaccounted for.

John Kane said:

.

Gun crimes, and I suspect defensive actions with guns are very low in
Switzerland, quite probably because every adult male is fairly well
trained in the use and dangers of guns [1]. IIRC even suicides by gun
are suprising low compared to other OECD countries. It appears that
guns are just a tool that one keeps in the closet until the invasion
happens, not something one carries around daily.

People tend to point to certain ethnic minorities and recent immigrant
groups to account for their high crime rates. Switzerland has very tight
immigration laws. It just doesn't let them into the country.

In article <[email hidden]>,

John Kane said:

Omelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Giusi said:

Omelet wrote:

Quoted message said:

> I think it's Switzerland that requires every citizen to be armed and
> know how to use one?

Quoted message said:

> It's the most peaceful country on the planet.

Quoted message said:

Each qualified adult MALE has a gun and is trained to use it. That is
how they avoid having a standing army. And it is not as peaceful as you
think. They don't go to war but they do have crime.

How much?

You probably need to research it yourself but good luck. It is
difficult to get good comparison stats but
http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/en/index.html
is a good place to start.

In terms of violent crimes and gun crimes the rates when I last
looked, in the late 1990's, are much lower than those of the USA but
then all of the OECD countries have much lower rates. Even Canada
which is comparatively violent country is much lower than the USA.

Gun crimes, and I suspect defensive actions with guns are very low in
Switzerland, quite probably because every adult male is fairly well
trained in the use and dangers of guns [1]. IIRC even suicides by gun
are suprising low compared to other OECD countries. It appears that
guns are just a tool that one keeps in the closet until the invasion
happens, not something one carries around daily.

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

[1] There is also the rumour that you have to pay for any ammunition
unaccounted for.

Thanks.
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Dave Smith said:

John Kane said:

.

Gun crimes, and I suspect defensive actions with guns are very low in
Switzerland, quite probably because every adult male is fairly well
trained in the use and dangers of guns [1]. IIRC even suicides by gun
are suprising low compared to other OECD countries. It appears that
guns are just a tool that one keeps in the closet until the invasion
happens, not something one carries around daily.

People tend to point to certain ethnic minorities and recent immigrant
groups to account for their high crime rates. Switzerland has very tight
immigration laws. It just doesn't let them into the country.

Quite true. It's of course racist and not politically correct to point
that out, but the statistics do show the distribution of crime is not
exactly even. Then there is of course the question of whether it's who
you let in, or how "disadvantaged" they end up when they get here. If if
points out one thing, and something they are starting to realize in
Europe finally, it's that you can't just let them in and then ignore
them, you have to follow up to see that they are able to assimilate
properly.

Pete C.

Dee Dee said:

On Jun 8, 5:21 pm, [email hidden] (Steve Pope) wrote:

[Zurich]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I've only spent a day there, but the uncontrolled scene of
users engaged in random violent vandalism around the needle
exchange center in a park in Zurich exceeded anything you'd
typically see in a park or public place in the U.S.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I assumed this was the result of some sort of "no arrest" policy,
but I don't really know.

Quoted message said:

I still reel at the thought of that scene. In the 70's we were
walking along the water, looking at the swans; I said, they're
something wrong here, I couldn't really put my finger on it. A few
minutes later I saw them shootin'-up, and passing the needles, all in
plain site. No problem. None were outrageously dressed or anything to
call your attention to them in that way. They weren't acting crazy or
outlandish. But I could've thrown-up, it really bothered me. As you
can see, it made quite the impression.

Yeah. In the situation I witnessed, there was also a muscular
strung-out dude shot-putting large pieces of construction rubble at
nothing in particular. Nothing you wouldn't necessarily see in urban
America, but it seemed clear this was a no-go zone for the cops.

Steve