anth and the flush

Anth ,
What you need to realise is that those who ridicule the alternative
approaches are not going to be swayed no matter what you or anyone else says
.. I have done the flush many times and I know it works as does my doctor ,
do they believe me ? of course not .
The detractors are always going to be around , don't waste your time nor
your energy trying to convert them .
This ng is a great place for those who have a genuine interest in seeking
other , mainly natural ways of treating medical problems . There is nothing
mystical about that , humans have been doing this for thousands of years ,
many of the present drugs are only chemical mimics of natural substances ,
don't waste your time arguing with the puppets or trying to prove anything
to them , as there is nothing to be gained .
As far as the flush goes ,
Firstly do you have any real need to do it ? are you suffering gall bladder
attacks ? , etc
If you don't have any obvious medical reason to do it , then you may decide
to do it just as a detox , find out how to do it properly . Don't go off
doing it with no understanding of what you are doing -Read about the methods
, decide which one you like the sound of and get the information before you
go ahead .
For instance , You need to drink pure apple juice for several days before.
Go find out all about how to do it properly then if you still feel the need
to do it you will know exactly what to expect .

Bew

"toby jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

From: "Anth" <[email hidden]>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: Gallbladder Flush Worked For Me

Quoted message said:

I've got the Epsom Salts and the Olive oil, I've just got to wait till

the

Quoted message said:

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weekend to try it out.
Anth

What about the grapefruit - aren't you supposed to have the juice of
several grapefruit as well? I thought it was an essential ingredient.

And in the 2-3 days before, the recommendation was for mostly raw
food, salads or fruit, - so you're empty of heavier starchy or fatty
food by the time you begin..

(That was from 6 years ago when someone I knew tried it - I never did,
so I don't really know, and maybe they've changed it since)

One last thing, - stay close to the bathroom all weekend. 🙂

ps Orac said that if it did what it said and broke up any stones, it
could be dangerous?

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I normally have grapefruits in my fruit basket thingie.
My plans are juice a few and use the amount listed in the flush.
Anth

"toby jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

From: "Anth" <[email hidden]>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: Gallbladder Flush Worked For Me

Quoted message said:

I've got the Epsom Salts and the Olive oil, I've just got to wait till

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

weekend to try it out.
Anth

What about the grapefruit - aren't you supposed to have the juice of
several grapefruit as well? I thought it was an essential ingredient.

And in the 2-3 days before, the recommendation was for mostly raw
food, salads or fruit, - so you're empty of heavier starchy or fatty
food by the time you begin..

(That was from 6 years ago when someone I knew tried it - I never did,
so I don't really know, and maybe they've changed it since)

One last thing, - stay close to the bathroom all weekend. 🙂

ps Orac said that if it did what it said and broke up any stones, it
could be dangerous?

What is more important is that I find out for myself.
I've seen the arguments passing by and none prove anything.
Have you got any links that show how to do it properly?
Anth

"Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Anth ,
What you need to realise is that those who ridicule the alternative
approaches are not going to be swayed no matter what you or anyone else

says

Quoted message said:

. I have done the flush many times and I know it works as does my doctor ,
do they believe me ? of course not .
The detractors are always going to be around , don't waste your time nor
your energy trying to convert them .
This ng is a great place for those who have a genuine interest in seeking
other , mainly natural ways of treating medical problems . There is

nothing

Quoted message said:

mystical about that , humans have been doing this for thousands of years ,
many of the present drugs are only chemical mimics of natural substances ,
don't waste your time arguing with the puppets or trying to prove anything
to them , as there is nothing to be gained .
As far as the flush goes ,
Firstly do you have any real need to do it ? are you suffering gall

bladder

Quoted message said:

attacks ? , etc
If you don't have any obvious medical reason to do it , then you may

decide

Quoted message said:

to do it just as a detox , find out how to do it properly . Don't go off
doing it with no understanding of what you are doing -Read about the

methods

Quoted message said:

, decide which one you like the sound of and get the information before

you

Quoted message said:

go ahead .
For instance , You need to drink pure apple juice for several days before.
Go find out all about how to do it properly then if you still feel the

need

Quoted message said:

to do it you will know exactly what to expect .

Bew

"toby jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

From: "Anth" <[email hidden]>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: Gallbladder Flush Worked For Me

Quoted message said:

I've got the Epsom Salts and the Olive oil, I've just got to wait till

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

weekend to try it out.
Anth

What about the grapefruit - aren't you supposed to have the juice of
several grapefruit as well? I thought it was an essential ingredient.

And in the 2-3 days before, the recommendation was for mostly raw
food, salads or fruit, - so you're empty of heavier starchy or fatty
food by the time you begin..

(That was from 6 years ago when someone I knew tried it - I never did,
so I don't really know, and maybe they've changed it since)

One last thing, - stay close to the bathroom all weekend. 🙂

ps Orac said that if it did what it said and broke up any stones, it
could be dangerous?

---

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"Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Anth ,
What you need to realise is that those who ridicule the alternative
approaches are not going to be swayed no matter what you or anyone else

says

Quoted message said:

. I have done the flush many times and I know it works as does my doctor ,
do they believe me ? of course not .

I don't even believe you have a real doctor. No one who has passed A & P 101
would prescribe gallbladder flushes.

Quoted message said:

As far as the flush goes ,
Firstly do you have any real need to do it ? are you suffering gall

bladder

Quoted message said:

attacks ? , etc

Were YOU suffering gallbladder "attacks" Bew? How do you know?

Quoted message said:

If you don't have any obvious medical reason to do it , then you may

decide

Quoted message said:

to do it just as a detox , find out how to do it properly . Don't go off
doing it with no understanding of what you are doing -Read about the

methods

Quoted message said:

, decide which one you like the sound of and get the information before

you

Quoted message said:

go ahead .

Great. First you are flushing gallstones that you don't know you have, now
you want to "detox" without identifying what toxins are present, if any.

Quoted message said:

For instance , You need to drink pure apple juice for several days before.
Go find out all about how to do it properly then if you still feel the

need

Quoted message said:

to do it you will know exactly what to expect .

Don't expect any procedure, natural or otherwise, to universally treat
conditions caused by toxic substances. And don't let scaremongers convince
you that the world, and therefore your body is full of "toxins."

Quoted message said:

Bew

"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

What is more important is that I find out for myself.

Then at least make sure that you read up on it well first!

What are the risks or dangers?
What are the precautions?
Are you following the _entire_ procedure, _exactly_ as recommended?

If you miss one step, such as the 2 or three days of "apple juice" (or
whatever it was), then you may be missing an essential step for it to
be either safe (eg, if the juice were to soften whatever it is that
goes out of the body), or to have the claimed effect.

Are there some people who should NOT do a gall bladder flush?

Will you have a telephone very nearby, in case you get into strife?
For example, if you found you were doubled over with pain or cramp and
could not move, how to get help?

Do you have a friend or relative who could call in, or at least
telephone, to check to see if you are alright?

Does your Health Practitioner, whether "alt" or medical, know that you
are doing this?

Have you had a medical checkup recently to see that it is OK for you
to try this, without serious risk?

Are you on any medication, which could affect what you are doing or be
affected by it?

None of the above is intended to say "Don't do it", or that it "Is
dangerous", or that "It won't do anything".

Just that if someone is going to try something they have heard or read
about, then make sure you are doing it correctly and carefully, with
safety measures in place.

Quoted message said:

I've seen the arguments passing by and none prove anything.
Have you got any links that show how to do it properly?
Anth

The first one that I found, though I am not the person you were
asking, has this WARNING from a Naturopathic Doctor:

"It can and does occasionally send people to the hospital with an
attack of cholitis if a stone becomes lodged in the biliary duct."
http://chetday.com/gallbladderflushes.htm

"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

What is more important is that I find out for myself.
I've seen the arguments passing by and none prove anything.
Have you got any links that show how to do it properly?
Anth

www.liverdoctor.com/Section4/gallbladder.asp

Please, read through that first, before trying anything, for your
health and safety's sake. (To anyone thinking of trying that
particular regime.)

Dr Sandra Cabot, MD, has studied liver and gall bladder cleanses for
many years.

http://www.drclark.net/info/liver.htm

I have done this several times, it works.

Jan

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: anth and the flush
From: [email hidden] (toby jones)
Date: 3/2/2004 11:48 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Dr Sandra Cabot, MD, has studied liver and gall bladder cleanses for
many years.

hmmmm...just did some reading on her site...

in my h.o. any duly trained and licensed REAL doctor...who also refers to
herself as a "naturopath" is a bit suspect....

there are few areas of the States that such a "title" is even legal...since the
educational preparation is sketchy at best..

secondly..she says she "practiced first as an OB/Gyn"...fine..then how did she
decide it was OK to call herself a "liver doc?"

they are called "hepatologists" and it is a speciality unto itself

at least in the US..it is illegal to "hold oneself out as something" for which
they have no education and credentials in...ie..anyone can call themselves a
"heart surgeon"...but would you want a former gyn doc operating on your heart??

most of her info is OK...tho I never did find the part where she describes
"liver flushes" as necessary or even effacious....

just my 2 cents

hawki.....

(toby jones) said:

"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

What is more important is that I find out for myself.
I've seen the arguments passing by and none prove anything.
Have you got any links that show how to do it properly?
Anth

www.liverdoctor.com/Section4/gallbladder.asp

Please, read through that first, before trying anything, for your
health and safety's sake. (To anyone thinking of trying that
particular regime.)

Dr Sandra Cabot, MD, has studied liver and gall bladder cleanses for
many years.

Dr Cabot is not "MD". She calls herself that for marketing purposes.

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http://www.drclark.net/info/liver.htm

I have done this several times, it works.

the side effects are horid: anti-Judiasm, grumpiness, meanness, and being an
all around unpleasant person.

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Quoted message said:

(toby jones) said:

"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What is more important is that I find out for myself.
I've seen the arguments passing by and none prove anything.
Have you got any links that show how to do it properly?
Anth

www.liverdoctor.com/Section4/gallbladder.asp

Please, read through that first, before trying anything, for your
health and safety's sake. (To anyone thinking of trying that
particular regime.)

Dr Sandra Cabot, MD, has studied liver and gall bladder cleanses for
many years.

Dr Cabot is not "MD". She calls herself that for marketing purposes.

But, Peter, her website says:

"Dr Cabot graduated with honours in Medicine and Surgery from the University
of South Australia in 1975. "

Doesn't that make a person an "M.D."?????

Ok Thanks for the tips - I will have a phone handy.
Anth

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Quoted message said:

"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What is more important is that I find out for myself.

Then at least make sure that you read up on it well first!

What are the risks or dangers?
What are the precautions?
Are you following the _entire_ procedure, _exactly_ as recommended?

If you miss one step, such as the 2 or three days of "apple juice" (or
whatever it was), then you may be missing an essential step for it to
be either safe (eg, if the juice were to soften whatever it is that
goes out of the body), or to have the claimed effect.

Are there some people who should NOT do a gall bladder flush?

Will you have a telephone very nearby, in case you get into strife?
For example, if you found you were doubled over with pain or cramp and
could not move, how to get help?

Do you have a friend or relative who could call in, or at least
telephone, to check to see if you are alright?

Does your Health Practitioner, whether "alt" or medical, know that you
are doing this?

Have you had a medical checkup recently to see that it is OK for you
to try this, without serious risk?

Are you on any medication, which could affect what you are doing or be
affected by it?

None of the above is intended to say "Don't do it", or that it "Is
dangerous", or that "It won't do anything".

Just that if someone is going to try something they have heard or read
about, then make sure you are doing it correctly and carefully, with
safety measures in place.

Quoted message said:

I've seen the arguments passing by and none prove anything.
Have you got any links that show how to do it properly?
Anth

The first one that I found, though I am not the person you were
asking, has this WARNING from a Naturopathic Doctor:

"It can and does occasionally send people to the hospital with an
attack of cholitis if a stone becomes lodged in the biliary duct."
http://chetday.com/gallbladderflushes.htm

Not sure about taking the Ornithine.
I'll have to skip that - I'm against pills unless they are really necessary.
Did you take the Ornithine?
Anth

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Quoted message said:

http://www.drclark.net/info/liver.htm

I have done this several times, it works.

Jan

Dr Day is a MD also.
Anth

"Mark Probert-March 2, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]> wrote
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Quoted message said:

Doesn't that make a person an "M.D."?????

L-ornithine is a naturally occurring amino acid. It is part of the protein
makeup that your body has to break proteins down into to be absorbed by your
intestines and stomache.

I forget what they claimed the ornithine did but I remember thinking it was
a bunch of [censored]. I lived on the stuff for a few years and it didn't do what
they said.

L-ornithine is awailable in powder but your probably wouldn't like the tast
of it.

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Not sure about taking the Ornithine.
I'll have to skip that - I'm against pills unless they are really

necessary.

Quoted message said:

Did you take the Ornithine?
Anth

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

http://www.drclark.net/info/liver.htm

I have done this several times, it works.

Jan

"Mark Probert-March 2, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]>

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(toby jones) said:

"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Quoted message said:

> What is more important is that I find out for myself.
> I've seen the arguments passing by and none prove anything.
> Have you got any links that show how to do it properly?
> Anth

www.liverdoctor.com/Section4/gallbladder.asp

Please, read through that first, before trying anything, for your
health and safety's sake. (To anyone thinking of trying that
particular regime.)

Dr Sandra Cabot, MD, has studied liver and gall bladder cleanses for
many years.

Dr Cabot is not "MD". She calls herself that for marketing purposes.

But, Peter, her website says:

"Dr Cabot graduated with honours in Medicine and Surgery from the University
of South Australia in 1975. "

Doesn't that make a person an "M.D."?????

No, that makes a person "MB,BS". The names and abbreviations of
university degrees are not a matter of personal choice. As an example,
nobody gets a PhD from Oxford. Graduates of that establishment get to
put "D.Phil" after their names.

Cabot thinks that her customers are too stupid to understand that
different countries and universities have different practices. (Yes, I
know that all words after "stupid" in that sentence are redundant.)

--
Peter Bowditch
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

In article <[email hidden]>,

Gymmy Bob said:

Hawk, perhaps you can give your head a shake and see if anything rattles.

Your arguments are very repetitive and boring, using the same two over and
over.

The reason the arguments are repetitive is because Jan and people like
her (you, for instance) repeatedly make posts claiming efficacy for
liver flushes without evidence that they do anything, even in their own
personal cases.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

Peter Bowditch said:

(toby jones) said:

"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

What is more important is that I find out for myself.
I've seen the arguments passing by and none prove anything.
Have you got any links that show how to do it properly?
Anth

www.liverdoctor.com/Section4/gallbladder.asp

Please, read through that first, before trying anything, for your
health and safety's sake. (To anyone thinking of trying that
particular regime.)

Dr Sandra Cabot, MD, has studied liver and gall bladder cleanses for
many years.

Dr Cabot is not "MD". She calls herself that for marketing purposes.

Really? What is her real degree?

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

Dr Day is a MD also.

Sadly, this is true. She was an orthopedic surgeon until the altie
impulse took over and she decided to start selling her "Barley Green."
It started even before she got breast cancer; she was making some rather
questionable assertions about the mechanism of spread of the AIDS virus
in operating rooms back in the 1980's.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"