anth and the flush

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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http://www.drclark.net/info/liver.htm

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This appears to be a rather unscientific website. I could not locate the
names of the parasites which appear to be huge in the blurry photograph.
There were no microscopic slide photos there. No tests are done either
before or after these "cleanses?"

I have many questions but will start here. This Mrs. Clark claims:
========
CLAIMS: No stomach infection such as ulcers or intestinal bloating can be
cured permanently without removing these gallstones from the liver. For best
results, ozonate the olive oil in this recipe to kill any parasite stages or
viruses that may be released during the cleanse.
========
My mother was completely cured of stomach ulcers using antibiotics alone.
That was over 5 years ago. She remains ulcer free to this day. She is now
85 years old.

Since when does olive oil kill internal parasites, and *which* parasites and
viruses is she talking about? I couldn't find the answer at that website.

Kim

"Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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ahhh...Janny thinks we may have forgotten that "Dr Clark" is NOT a

doctor..in

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fact was prosecuted for "practicing medicine without a license"...she was

let

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off only if she left the country...

and matchbook obtained degrees are worse than none at all...

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I am aware that Mrs. Clark is not a lic. medical DR and will refrain from
addressing her as such. I am also aware she plies her trade in Mexico from
an article I read on the 'net some time ago. I assume this is the same
Hulda Clark. Has anyone ever found evidence of these liver flukes she
claims cause all disease?

Kim

"Happy Oyster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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More about the naturopath mafia advertizing agency Jan Drew :

http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/Quackery.html

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I don't know what to say......

I do have to ask this though. What *parasites* are constantly being
mentioned? What is considered a parasite by those against the medical
establishment?

Kim

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Subject: Re: anth and the flush
From: "Kim" [email hidden]
Date: 3/4/2004 10:35 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

KIm

Hulda is a quack!!

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Has anyone ever found evidence of these liver flukes she
claims cause all disease?

actually such a fluke does exist...somewhere in the nether regions of the
globe...certainly not prevalent....

and no...no one has ever "proven" that anything Hulda does cures or treats
anything...short of emptying the wallets of the desperate and pathetic

hawki.....

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Subject: Re: anth and the flush - answers not there
From: "Kim" [email hidden]
Date: 3/4/2004 10:29 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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http://www.drclark.net/info/liver.htm

===================
This appears to be a rather unscientific website. I could not locate the
names of the parasites which appear to be huge in the blurry photograph.
There were no microscopic slide photos there. No tests are done either
before or after these "cleanses?"

I have many questions but will start here. This Mrs. Clark claims:
========
CLAIMS: No stomach infection such as ulcers or intestinal bloating can be
cured permanently without removing these gallstones from the liver. For best
results, ozonate the olive oil in this recipe to kill any parasite stages or
viruses that may be released during the cleanse.
========
My mother was completely cured of stomach ulcers using antibiotics alone.
That was over 5 years ago. She remains ulcer free to this day. She is now
85 years old.

Since when does olive oil kill internal parasites, and *which* parasites and
viruses is she talking about? I couldn't find the answer at that website.

Kim

Here are the questions you asked.

Why would lack of sleep make a "cleanse" unsuccessful? I would imagine the

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many trips to the bathroom would keep anyone awake after taking such a
purge. What tests are done to know if such a cleanse was successful or
not? Why are these cleanses being done?

Kim....

Jan

The problem is I will.
Anth

"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

Also you claim the flush doesn't work, and in another post you warn

again

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the fact that if it does what it does then the stones could pierce the
tubes?

You clearly didn't understand what I said.

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I'll find out for myself thanks, then I will know.

The problem is, you won't.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

We'll see.
Anth

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Most of stones for us came out after resuming normal eating again. Don't
wory, you can't miss them because of their turquoise colour.

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(and on top of that I added 8floz of celery juice 20:42)
Anth

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Subject: Re: anth and the flush - answers not there
From: "Kim" [email hidden]
Date: 3/4/2004 10:29 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

http://www.drclark.net/info/liver.htm

===================
This appears to be a rather unscientific website. I could not locate the
names of the parasites which appear to be huge in the blurry photograph.
There were no microscopic slide photos there. No tests are done either
before or after these "cleanses?"

I have many questions but will start here. This Mrs. Clark claims:
========
CLAIMS: No stomach infection such as ulcers or intestinal bloating can

be

Quoted message said:

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cured permanently without removing these gallstones from the liver. For

best

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results, ozonate the olive oil in this recipe to kill any parasite stages

or

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viruses that may be released during the cleanse.
========
My mother was completely cured of stomach ulcers using antibiotics alone.
That was over 5 years ago. She remains ulcer free to this day. She is

now

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85 years old.

Since when does olive oil kill internal parasites, and *which* parasites

and

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viruses is she talking about? I couldn't find the answer at that

website.

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Kim

Here are the questions you asked.

Why would lack of sleep make a "cleanse" unsuccessful? I would imagine

the

Quoted message said:

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many trips to the bathroom would keep anyone awake after taking such a
purge. What tests are done to know if such a cleanse was successful or
not? Why are these cleanses being done?

Kim....

I was bored when I did mine , just something to do ya know ? - satisfied ?

Bew

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Subject: Re: anth and the flush - answers not there
From: "Kim" [email hidden]
Date: 3/4/2004 10:29 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

http://www.drclark.net/info/liver.htm

===================
This appears to be a rather unscientific website. I could not locate the
names of the parasites which appear to be huge in the blurry photograph.
There were no microscopic slide photos there. No tests are done either
before or after these "cleanses?"

I have many questions but will start here. This Mrs. Clark claims:
========
CLAIMS: No stomach infection such as ulcers or intestinal bloating can

be

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

cured permanently without removing these gallstones from the liver. For

best

Quoted message said:

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results, ozonate the olive oil in this recipe to kill any parasite stages

or

Quoted message said:

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viruses that may be released during the cleanse.
========
My mother was completely cured of stomach ulcers using antibiotics alone.
That was over 5 years ago. She remains ulcer free to this day. She is

now

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

85 years old.

Since when does olive oil kill internal parasites, and *which* parasites

and

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viruses is she talking about? I couldn't find the answer at that

website.

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Kim

Here are the questions you asked.

Why would lack of sleep make a "cleanse" unsuccessful? I would imagine

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

many trips to the bathroom would keep anyone awake after taking such a
purge. What tests are done to know if such a cleanse was successful or
not? Why are these cleanses being done?

Kim....

Jan

Janny...Kim was looking for answers, not more questions.

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Orac said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Peter Bowditch said:

[email hidden] (toby jones) wrote:

>"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> What is more important is that I find out for myself.
>> I've seen the arguments passing by and none prove anything.
>> Have you got any links that show how to do it properly?
>> Anth
>
>
>www.liverdoctor.com/Section4/gallbladder.asp
>
>Please, read through that first, before trying anything, for your
>health and safety's sake. (To anyone thinking of trying that
>particular regime.)
>
>Dr Sandra Cabot, MD, has studied liver and gall bladder cleanses for
>many years.

Dr Cabot is not "MD". She calls herself that for marketing purposes.

Really? What is her real degree?

MB,BS. It is a real medical qualification but convention is that you
use the abbreviations in use by the university which awards the
degrees, not something else because it sounds better.

I have been told that in California what she does is actually illegal,
not just poor etiquette.

By the way, Dr Cabot is no longer licensed to practice medicine in
Australia. I have heard rumours that her removal from the list of
registered practitioners was not voluntary, but details are sketchy
and Australia has savage defamation laws.

--
Peter Bowditch

For the skeptics reading this message, when Peter mentions the Australian
defamation laws, it is up to us non-Australians to investigate and report.

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Subject: Re: anth and the flush
From: "carabelli" [email hidden]
Date: 3/3/2004 12:41 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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EITHER PROVE IT OR SHUT

says Janny

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Dr Sandra Cabot MBBS, DRCOG, ATPL

From her bio

http://www.femail.com.au/sandracabotspoltight.htm

hmmm...anyone see an MD after her name??? perhaps Janny is seeing things
that
don't exist...

hawki.....

Jan wrote that she saw large parasites in her feces when she imagined a Loa-Loa
infestation.
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From: JDrew63929 ([email hidden])
Subject: Re: Hulda Clark as a separate n.g.?
View: Complete Thread (239 articles)
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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 2000/05/10

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From: [email hidden]
Date: 05/09/2000 8:44 PM US Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

In article <[email hidden]>,

(JDrew63929) said:

More than welcome! I doubt that Rich thought it funny or found much

enjoyment.

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I do get a *bit* riled with all the slamming of alt.......while very little

is

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said about the big problems of conv. It all comes down to what experiences

one

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has in life. I look forward to the day when both alt. and conv. can work
together.

Jan

Jan, are you REALLY sure of what you stated with the last sentence??

Yes. I have stated it many times.

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Or did you just have a weak moment- alternative health in bed with
conventional medicine??

No weak moment. I think this would be the best of both worlds, we need both. I
am surprised you haven't read this in my posts before now.

By all accounts this is getting closer than you

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think with the legitimate alternative modalities.

Maybe, the sooner the better.

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On an interesting note today I saw a patient (teenage female) who came
in on an emergency visit; the mother was visibly shaken and told me
that her daughter had complained of a foreign body sensation in her
left eye. When the mom looked she saw 2 small "worms" in the temporal
canthus ( side of the eye nearest the ear) and plucked them off. The
mother noted my skeptical nature until she showed me the "specimens"
she had in a pill jar. Boy was I shocked- 2 small round larvae type
bodies(5mm in length) with a flaggela. I wish I had an entomologist
nearby - I had no idea what they were. But careful exam with the slit
lamp revealed no damage to the eye or any more of the critters. I
gave them reassurance but boy was that gross. I thought of Hulda.

frank 🙂>

And just as you thought we were pulling your leg? These things do happen.
Maybe you could call her and see if she would take them to a lab and see what
they were? I was trashed here over and over for saying that I *did* see
parasites in my stool It takes a while to distinguish them from undigested
food, but it can be done. Now, maybe you won't be so doubtful? Like I always
say, experience is the best teacher. Thank you for this honest post.

Jan

There was no trips to the bathroom by myself or my wife during the night any
of the 6 times we did the flush.

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Subject: Re: anth and the flush - answers not there
From: "Kim" [email hidden]
Date: 3/4/2004 10:29 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> http://www.drclark.net/info/liver.htm
===================
This appears to be a rather unscientific website. I could not locate

the

Quoted message said:

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names of the parasites which appear to be huge in the blurry

photograph.

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Quoted message said:

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There were no microscopic slide photos there. No tests are done either
before or after these "cleanses?"

I have many questions but will start here. This Mrs. Clark claims:
========
CLAIMS: No stomach infection such as ulcers or intestinal bloating

can

Quoted message said:

be

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

cured permanently without removing these gallstones from the liver. For

best

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

results, ozonate the olive oil in this recipe to kill any parasite

stages

Quoted message said:

or

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

viruses that may be released during the cleanse.
========
My mother was completely cured of stomach ulcers using antibiotics

alone.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That was over 5 years ago. She remains ulcer free to this day. She is

now

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

85 years old.

Since when does olive oil kill internal parasites, and *which*

parasites

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and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

viruses is she talking about? I couldn't find the answer at that

website.

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Kim

Here are the questions you asked.

Why would lack of sleep make a "cleanse" unsuccessful? I would imagine

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

many trips to the bathroom would keep anyone awake after taking such a
purge. What tests are done to know if such a cleanse was successful

or

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not? Why are these cleanses being done?

Kim....

I was bored when I did mine , just something to do ya know ? - satisfied ?

Bew

We had absolutely no problem with this flush. It worked and caused no
discomfort except the hunger for the day. A couple bouts of diarrhea in the
late morning and it was basically over except a good healthful feeling or
cleanliness.

Many stones came out each time but my wife's gallbladdar was so hard they
thought she had cancer. Biopsy on it proved hardened with scar tissue from
so much abuse to it. The stones destroyed it. The stones IMO are from the
liver mostly and this is excellent for your health to cleanse your liver
anyway.

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We'll see.
Anth

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Most of stones for us came out after resuming normal eating again.

Don't

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wory, you can't miss them because of their turquoise colour.

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(and on top of that I added 8floz of celery juice 20:42)
Anth

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Soulless Reprobate & Steaming Bag of Feces said:

Most of stones for us came out after resuming normal eating again. Don't
wory, you can't miss them because of their turquoise colour.

Are you still wearing them around your neck as jewelery?

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We'll see.
Anth

Fortunately, not. You & You alone will see.

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Most of stones for us came out after resuming normal eating again. Don't
wory, you can't miss them because of their turquoise colour.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

The problem is I will.

No, the problem is that you think you will know, but you won't.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

The usual from someone who swears by the scientific method. I will know.
The point is you won't and you will still be parroting assumptions that is
doesn't work. I will find out.
Anth

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

The problem is I will.

No, the problem is that you think you will know, but you won't.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

Thanks for the info wrt the stage 4 colorectal cancer.
Anth

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

The problem is I will.

No, the problem is that you think you will know, but you won't.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

Did they scan the gall bladder and find stones then no/reduced stones after
the flush?
Did you get the stones sent off to a lab?
Cheers
Anth

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We had absolutely no problem with this flush. It worked and caused no
discomfort except the hunger for the day. A couple bouts of diarrhea in

the

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late morning and it was basically over except a good healthful feeling or
cleanliness.

Many stones came out each time but my wife's gallbladdar was so hard they
thought she had cancer. Biopsy on it proved hardened with scar tissue from
so much abuse to it. The stones destroyed it. The stones IMO are from the
liver mostly and this is excellent for your health to cleanse your liver
anyway.

"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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We'll see.
Anth

"Gymmy Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Most of stones for us came out after resuming normal eating again.

Don't

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wory, you can't miss them because of their turquoise colour.

"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> (and on top of that I added 8floz of celery juice 20:42)
> Anth
>
> "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
>

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Subject: Re: anth and the flush
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 3/6/2004 2:18 AM Pacific Standard Time
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The usual from someone who swears by the scientific method. I will know.
The point is you won't and you will still be parroting assumptions that is
doesn't work. I will find out.
Anth

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

The problem is I will.

No, the problem is that you think you will know, but you won't.

An excellent example of organized medicine.