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"Dropped 30" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Whooptee doo for you! Don't you think you sound like the people who say "
Well - why do you eat SO much?" Just eat less, excercise more and you'll
lose weight and be wonderfull just like me...blah, blah, blah.

Your claws are showing my dear, perhaps your should have read on before you
got snotty. oh yeah, This is NEW YORK, they'd be "special" claws.

Lori
in fly-over land, but at least the rats stay in the ghetto, I mean
Minneapolis

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"Dropped 30" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Whooptee doo for you! Don't you think you sound like the people who say "
Well - why do you eat SO much?" Just eat less, excercise more and you'll
lose weight and be wonderfull just like me...blah, blah, blah.

Your claws are showing my dear, perhaps your should have read on before
you got snotty.

I read the rest. That's nice for you. I wasn't trying to be snotty. I still
think what you said was annoying and not helpful to someone trying to quit
smoking.

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oh yeah, This is NEW YORK, they'd be "special" claws.

What's yer problem lady?

Quoted message said:

Lori
in fly-over land, but at least the rats stay in the ghetto, I mean
Minneapolis

Oh...and bite me.

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Having said that, best to tackle your challenges one at a time. Focus
on the weight, moderate the cigs for now.

I'd say don't worry about weight and quit the cancer sticks ASAP. She
isn't morbidly obese where her weight is threatening her health as
much as the cigs are.

billydee wrote:
||| Having said that, best to tackle your challenges one at a time.
||| Focus on the weight, moderate the cigs for now.
||
|| I'd say don't worry about weight and quit the cancer sticks ASAP. She
|| isn't morbidly obese where her weight is threatening her health as
|| much as the cigs are.

I agree. I'd say maintain weight and quit smoking. Once that's licked,
resume body perfection goals. My guess is that she sees losing weight as
easier since she's had success with that.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Roger Zoul said:

billydee wrote:
||| Having said that, best to tackle your challenges one at a time.
||| Focus on the weight, moderate the cigs for now.
||
|| I'd say don't worry about weight and quit the cancer sticks ASAP. She
|| isn't morbidly obese where her weight is threatening her health as
|| much as the cigs are.

I agree. I'd say maintain weight and quit smoking. Once that's licked,
resume body perfection goals. My guess is that she sees losing weight as
easier since she's had success with that.

It's more like I see losing weight as an unfinished project, and trying to
maintain what I've lost so far while quitting smoking was too hard. Even
though I didn't gain back very much in those first couple of months, it was
enough to get me a little depressed, which was enough to trigger food
cravings, overeating, and loss of motivation for exercising. I got into a
"[censored] it all" state of mind, which led right back to smoking again. So,
having tried to quit before I was at goal weight, and also (to be
completely honest) before eating less and exercising more had become an
entrenced habit, was not a success. So, I'll try it another way. I'll
focus on eating less and upping the exercise until I am in the lower end of
the weight range I'd like to be, and then quit smoking. My hypothesis is
that by that time I really will be used to eating less and exercising at a
higher intensity, and I will be at a low enough weight that gaining back a
few pounds won't bother me as much.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

Luna wrote:
|| In article <[email hidden]>,
|| "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote:
||
||| billydee wrote:
|||||| Having said that, best to tackle your challenges one at a time.
|||||| Focus on the weight, moderate the cigs for now.
|||||
||||| I'd say don't worry about weight and quit the cancer sticks ASAP.
||||| She isn't morbidly obese where her weight is threatening her
||||| health as much as the cigs are.
|||
||| I agree. I'd say maintain weight and quit smoking. Once that's
||| licked, resume body perfection goals. My guess is that she sees
||| losing weight as easier since she's had success with that.
|||
|||
||
|| It's more like I see losing weight as an unfinished project, and
|| trying to maintain what I've lost so far while quitting smoking was
|| too hard. Even though I didn't gain back very much in those first
|| couple of months, it was enough to get me a little depressed, which
|| was enough to trigger food cravings, overeating, and loss of
|| motivation for exercising. I got into a "[censored] it all" state of
|| mind, which led right back to smoking again. So, having tried to
|| quit before I was at goal weight, and also (to be completely honest)
|| before eating less and exercising more had become an entrenced
|| habit, was not a success. So, I'll try it another way. I'll focus
|| on eating less and upping the exercise until I am in the lower end
|| of the weight range I'd like to be, and then quit smoking. My
|| hypothesis is that by that time I really will be used to eating less
|| and exercising at a higher intensity, and I will be at a low enough
|| weight that gaining back a few pounds won't bother me as much.

Well, good luck. I can see pitfalls in your alternative approach, but
obviously I cannot say it won't work for you. Maybe it will. I hope it
will. We all have to find our own way.

Just keep making excuses.

That really seems to be working out for you.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I did the do and I couldn't handle the doo-doo that came after the do.
Yours is a good philosophy for the simple minded, but the real world
offers
complexities, such as _how_ to do whatever it is you want to do. For
example, if eating less and exercising more is all there is to weight
loss,
why chip in with "bread is not low-carb"? It shouldn't matter if a food
is
low-carb or not, if all that matters is eating less of it and exercising
more.

There is only do or not do. Sure. But every action has an equal or
opposite reaction. Focus on solving one problem, and the other ones get
worse. Try to focus equally on all problems, and new ones are created,
like depleted emotional reserves, overstress, anxiety, etc.

Pretending I can handle everything and be perfect all at once doesn't make
it so.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

There's no try. There's only do or not do.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,
"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> It's amazing that Darwinian Selection hasn't already weeded you out.
>
>

What makes you say that? Because I'm not perfect? Because I have bad
habits
that I'm trying to overcome and it isn't easy?

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Luna wrote:
|| In article <[email hidden]>,
|| "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote:
||
||| billydee wrote:
|||||| Having said that, best to tackle your challenges one at a time.
|||||| Focus on the weight, moderate the cigs for now.
|||||
||||| I'd say don't worry about weight and quit the cancer sticks ASAP.
||||| She isn't morbidly obese where her weight is threatening her
||||| health as much as the cigs are.
|||
||| I agree. I'd say maintain weight and quit smoking. Once that's
||| licked, resume body perfection goals. My guess is that she sees
||| losing weight as easier since she's had success with that.
|||
|||
||
|| It's more like I see losing weight as an unfinished project, and
|| trying to maintain what I've lost so far while quitting smoking was
|| too hard. Even though I didn't gain back very much in those first
|| couple of months, it was enough to get me a little depressed, which
|| was enough to trigger food cravings, overeating, and loss of
|| motivation for exercising. I got into a "[censored] it all" state of
|| mind, which led right back to smoking again. So, having tried to
|| quit before I was at goal weight, and also (to be completely honest)
|| before eating less and exercising more had become an entrenced
|| habit, was not a success. So, I'll try it another way. I'll focus
|| on eating less and upping the exercise until I am in the lower end
|| of the weight range I'd like to be, and then quit smoking. My
|| hypothesis is that by that time I really will be used to eating less
|| and exercising at a higher intensity, and I will be at a low enough
|| weight that gaining back a few pounds won't bother me as much.

Well, good luck. I can see pitfalls in your alternative approach, but
obviously I cannot say it won't work for you. Maybe it will. I hope it
will. We all have to find our own way.

Bottom line. Smoking is much more likely to kill you than being
slightly overweight. Do you want to live or do you want to look good?

Do what you feel you are ready to do when you feel you're ready to do it. It's
the only way you'll succeed.

When you're ready to quit smoking, you will.

: Do what you feel you are ready to do when you feel you're ready to do it.
It's
: the only way you'll succeed.
:
: When you're ready to quit smoking, you will.

Or, you'll just keep putting it off and putting it off because "it's hard!".
It's a chemical addiction: of course, it's hard to break! By saying you'll
do it later, you are saying "I'm not really convinced there is any danger
there."

Pat in TX

<< : Do what you feel you are ready to do when you feel you're ready to do it.
It's
: the only way you'll succeed.
:
: When you're ready to quit smoking, you will.

Or, you'll just keep putting it off and putting it off because "it's hard!".
It's a chemical addiction: of course, it's hard to break! By saying you'll
do it later, you are saying "I'm not really convinced there is any danger
there."

Pat in TX

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

<BR><BR>

not in my experience.

In article <[email hidden]>,

(billydee) said:

Bottom line. Smoking is much more likely to kill you than being
slightly overweight. Do you want to live or do you want to look good?

Both. :o) I want to quit smoking. I don't feel ready yet. It takes tools
that I don't have in my arsenal right now. I don't have resolve,
commitment, willpower, mental strength, emotional strength, or optimism
about my chances for success. Those qualities vanished when I started
gaining weight back. I'm hoping success in weight loss will bring them
back.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

: Or, you'll just keep putting it off and putting it off because "it's
hard!".
: It's a chemical addiction: of course, it's hard to break! By saying
you'll
: do it later, you are saying "I'm not really convinced there is any danger
: there."
:
: Pat in TX
: >><BR><BR>
:
: not in my experience.

To what are you referring?

Pat in TX

: Both. :o) I want to quit smoking. I don't feel ready yet. It takes
tools
: that I don't have in my arsenal right now. I don't have resolve,
: commitment, willpower, mental strength, emotional strength, or optimism
: about my chances for success. Those qualities vanished when I started
: gaining weight back. I'm hoping success in weight loss will bring them
: back.
: Michelle Levin

The Victor
by C.W. Longenecker

If you think you are beaten, you are.
If you think you dare not, you don't.
If you like to win but think you can't,
It's almost a cinch you won't.
If you think you'll lose, you're lost
For out in the world we find
Success begins with a fellow's will.
It's all in the state of mind.
If you think you are outclassed, you are.
You've got to think high to rise.
You've got to be sure of yourself before
You can ever win a prize.
Life's battles don't always go
To the stronger or faster man.
But soon or later, the man who wins
Is the man who thinks he can.

Pat wrote:
||| Both. :o) I want to quit smoking. I don't feel ready yet. It
||| takes tools that I don't have in my arsenal right now. I don't
||| have resolve, commitment, willpower, mental strength, emotional
||| strength, or optimism about my chances for success. Those
||| qualities vanished when I started gaining weight back. I'm hoping
||| success in weight loss will bring them back.
||| Michelle Levin
||
|| The Victor
|| by C.W. Longenecker
||
|| If you think you are beaten, you are.
|| If you think you dare not, you don't.
|| If you like to win but think you can't,
|| It's almost a cinch you won't.
|| If you think you'll lose, you're lost
|| For out in the world we find
|| Success begins with a fellow's will.
|| It's all in the state of mind.
|| If you think you are outclassed, you are.
|| You've got to think high to rise.
|| You've got to be sure of yourself before
|| You can ever win a prize.
|| Life's battles don't always go
|| To the stronger or faster man.
|| But soon or later, the man who wins
|| Is the man who thinks he can.

Exactly!

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(billydee) said:

Bottom line. Smoking is much more likely to kill you than being
slightly overweight. Do you want to live or do you want to look good?

Both. :o) I want to quit smoking. I don't feel ready yet. It takes
tools
that I don't have in my arsenal right now. I don't have resolve,
commitment, willpower, mental strength, emotional strength, or optimism
about my chances for success. Those qualities vanished when I started
gaining weight back. I'm hoping success in weight loss will bring them
back.

--

I think you are making way too big a thing out of it. You gotta just do it
and bite the bullet. And yes, I've BTDT and it sucks.

What the [censored]? I've been feeling like [censored] for a long time, failing at my
diet, failing at quitting smoking, failing at getting a new job or a
boyfriend, just failing at being a human being in general. So I finally
say I have to do something about this, do something productive in my life
before I completely stagnate, so I pick something I've actually had some
success with, something I've proven I can actually do, something I know
makes me feel better about myself and my life in general, something that
gets me moving again and boosts my confidence and makes me feel like I can
accomplish even more things in my life, and I feel like I'm picking myself
up and dusting myself off from the mess I've made of things, getting back
on track, and all I get from you people is a bunch of [censored] insults
about my weaknesses. Duh. I know I'm weak, you don't have to tell me
that. I know smoking is bad for me, you don't have to tell me that either.
I never would have even tried to quit in the first place if it hadn't been
for the successes I'd had with weight loss, that made me feel like hey,
maybe I can do this, until the weight started coming back and everything
just fell apart again. So I feel like a worthless human being for breaking
my quit. That feeling spreads to all the other parts of my life, until I
don't want to try to do anything at all, because I've proven I'll just fail
anyway. Going into a quit now, when I don't have the least bit of
confidence I can succeed, when I don't even think I'm worth the bother, is
not exactly a recipe for success. I want to get my emotional muscles in
shape again before I try another quit, and the one thing that has been
proven in the past to actually work is getting my eating under control and
exercising, which I know will make me feel stronger. But, no, that isn't
good enough for you people. I need to quit smoking right NOW, right this
second, whether I feel ready to or not, plus I need to work out two hours a
day and eat as little as possible and lose at least 2 pounds a week, or 5
pounds a month or whatever the "standard" is in the challenges, and get a
new job and move out, and go snag myself a husband and have some kids so
you can tell me how to raise them, and if I don't do it ALL according to
you all's time schedule then you're gonna jump all over me. Thanks for all
the "support."

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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What the [censored]? I've been feeling like [censored] for a long time, failing at my
diet, failing at quitting smoking, failing at getting a new job or a
boyfriend, just failing at being a human being in general. So I finally
say I have to do something about this, do something productive in my life
before I completely stagnate, so I pick something I've actually had some
success with, something I've proven I can actually do, something I know
makes me feel better about myself and my life in general, something that
gets me moving again and boosts my confidence and makes me feel like I can
accomplish even more things in my life, and I feel like I'm picking myself
up and dusting myself off from the mess I've made of things, getting back
on track, and all I get from you people is a bunch of [censored] insults
about my weaknesses. Duh. I know I'm weak, you don't have to tell me
that. I know smoking is bad for me, you don't have to tell me that

either.

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I never would have even tried to quit in the first place if it hadn't been
for the successes I'd had with weight loss, that made me feel like hey,
maybe I can do this, until the weight started coming back and everything
just fell apart again. So I feel like a worthless human being for

breaking

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my quit. That feeling spreads to all the other parts of my life, until I
don't want to try to do anything at all, because I've proven I'll just

fail

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anyway. Going into a quit now, when I don't have the least bit of
confidence I can succeed, when I don't even think I'm worth the bother, is
not exactly a recipe for success. I want to get my emotional muscles in
shape again before I try another quit, and the one thing that has been
proven in the past to actually work is getting my eating under control and
exercising, which I know will make me feel stronger. But, no, that isn't
good enough for you people. I need to quit smoking right NOW, right this
second, whether I feel ready to or not, plus I need to work out two hours

a

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day and eat as little as possible and lose at least 2 pounds a week, or 5
pounds a month or whatever the "standard" is in the challenges, and get a
new job and move out, and go snag myself a husband and have some kids so
you can tell me how to raise them, and if I don't do it ALL according to
you all's time schedule then you're gonna jump all over me. Thanks for

all

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the "support."

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

It took me a long time (years) to get to the point where I could quit
smoking so I know what you're talking about and I know what you're going
through. If what you're doing about your problems doesn't meet with
everyone's approval, tough! You know yourself better than anyone here. And
for what it's worth, you do have my support, love.
Em

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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What the [censored]? I've been feeling like [censored] for a long time, failing at my
diet, failing at quitting smoking, failing at getting a new job or a
boyfriend, just failing at being a human being in general.

Didn't you just get a new job at the Y and why do you need a boyfriend to be
happy?

Just like me you have come out of a relationship. Even though I miss *him*
from time to time I know it is best that we are apart until we can *both*
change (him too...not just me)
and if we never meet up again and become real friends then that is okay and
if not then that is okay as well. I have some good memories and some good
lessons to take from that relationship but for now I have decided it is just
best for me to spend a lot of quality time with myself and decide where I am
going with my life and what I want out of my life without jumping back into
a serious relationship.

You have not failed at getting a boyfriend...perhaps the time just is not
right for you to have one right now.

You also never failed at your diet. You have done very well from what I read
since you first arrived at ASDLC. You have done 100 times better then I ever
could. Sure I quit smoking 10 years ago but I feel like I will *never* get
this weight off of me and I will die fat. I cannot get into the same
mindframe for staying on my weight loss plans as I was in when I quit
smoking. I know it is hard but somehow we both need to figure out how to go
about getting to our respective goals.

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So I finally
say I have to do something about this, do something productive in my life
before I completely stagnate, so I pick something I've actually had some
success with, something I've proven I can actually do, something I know
makes me feel better about myself and my life in general, something that
gets me moving again and boosts my confidence and makes me feel like I can
accomplish even more things in my life, and I feel like I'm picking myself
up and dusting myself off from the mess I've made of things, getting back
on track

So what do you plan on doing?

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and all I get from you people is a bunch of [censored] insults
about my weaknesses. Duh.

Some of the people here are not very kind, that is true and many of them do
not have any empathy.
I do not listen to those types anymore. They just drag you down.

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I know I'm weak, you don't have to tell me
that.

You are not weak. It took me several attempts before I finally quit smoking
and apparently it is taking me several tries to attempt to get this weight
off. I hope I can succeed
but if not I won't look at myself as weak and you should not either in
relation to quitting smoking. Look back on it as..'What have I learned from
that
and where do I need to go from that in order to BE successful with this.

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I know smoking is bad for me, you don't have to tell me that either.

Maybe that is what you should think about every time you light up.
Think about HOW bad it is for you. Think about all those poisons you are
putting in your body.
Would you feed those same poisons to anyone else? No. Then why feed them
to the most important person in your life.............YOURSELF!!
(Lordy....I think I am channeling Mike here...LMAO!!)

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I never would have even tried to quit in the first place if it hadn't been
for the successes I'd had with weight loss, that made me feel like hey,
maybe I can do this, until the weight started coming back and everything
just fell apart again.

What made the weight loss come back?

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I need to quit smoking right NOW, right this
second, whether I feel ready to or not

Yes you do because it is better then waiting until you are told you have
lung cancer or mouth cancer or any host of things smoking can give you.

Michelle, I have been told I have an enlarged left atrium in my heart. I am
at LEAST 200 pounds overweight. I am not certain on exactly what I weigh
because I cannot find a scale that goes as high as my weight. I can barely
walk from my bedroom to the bathroom at this point and I get so tired and
fatigued and out of breath it is not even funny. I look in the mirror and
am disgusted by what I see from the neck down. It is a *chore* just for me
to walk to the bus stop to get to the Y to exercise but starting Monday when
my new membership is approved I will be down there because I HAVE to do this
so I will not die an early death. You have to do the same thing to in
regards to quitting smoking. You do not want to die an early death. I know
you don't. Your dad sure doesn't want you too either and I know you love
him. If you cannot quit smoking for you....then quit for him.

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plus I need to work out two hours a
day and eat as little as possible and lose at least 2 pounds a week, or 5
pounds a month or whatever the "standard" is in the challenges, and get a
new job and move out, and go snag myself a husband and have some kids so
you can tell me how to raise them, and if I don't do it ALL according to
you all's time schedule then you're gonna jump all over me. Thanks for

all

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the "support."

You have my support no matter what path you choose and whatever decisions
you make but
try not to listen to the naysayers. In the end and at the end of the day
the ONLY one you need
to please is yourself...........not some faceless strangers on the computer
you will probably never meet.

And besides there are a lot more lowcarbing boards out there that are a
thousand times more supportive
then ASDLC ever could be.

What a nutcase.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

What the [censored]? I've been feeling like [censored] for a long time, failing at my
diet, failing at quitting smoking, failing at getting a new job or a
boyfriend, just failing at being a human being in general. So I finally
say I have to do something about this, do something productive in my life
before I completely stagnate, so I pick something I've actually had some
success with, something I've proven I can actually do, something I know
makes me feel better about myself and my life in general, something that
gets me moving again and boosts my confidence and makes me feel like I can
accomplish even more things in my life, and I feel like I'm picking myself
up and dusting myself off from the mess I've made of things, getting back
on track, and all I get from you people is a bunch of [censored] insults
about my weaknesses. Duh. I know I'm weak, you don't have to tell me
that. I know smoking is bad for me, you don't have to tell me that
either.
I never would have even tried to quit in the first place if it hadn't been
for the successes I'd had with weight loss, that made me feel like hey,
maybe I can do this, until the weight started coming back and everything
just fell apart again. So I feel like a worthless human being for
breaking
my quit. That feeling spreads to all the other parts of my life, until I
don't want to try to do anything at all, because I've proven I'll just
fail
anyway. Going into a quit now, when I don't have the least bit of
confidence I can succeed, when I don't even think I'm worth the bother, is
not exactly a recipe for success. I want to get my emotional muscles in
shape again before I try another quit, and the one thing that has been
proven in the past to actually work is getting my eating under control and
exercising, which I know will make me feel stronger. But, no, that isn't
good enough for you people. I need to quit smoking right NOW, right this
second, whether I feel ready to or not, plus I need to work out two hours
a
day and eat as little as possible and lose at least 2 pounds a week, or 5
pounds a month or whatever the "standard" is in the challenges, and get a
new job and move out, and go snag myself a husband and have some kids so
you can tell me how to raise them, and if I don't do it ALL according to
you all's time schedule then you're gonna jump all over me. Thanks for
all
the "support."

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.