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  1. Badger_South said:


    Then they have the nerve to post a rant in the local paper about the crazy
    bikers who ride by and don't stop when they see them with their precious
    doggies. I mean c'mon, we're supposed to stop and pull the bike over when
    encountering a dog? But that's their take on it.

    This society, by and large, seems to treat its dogs better than it treats
    its children.

    Then they wonder why their kids hate them and their dogs love them
    unconditionally.

    -Luigi

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  2. Badger_South said:


    Then they have the nerve to post a rant in the local paper about the crazy
    bikers who ride by and don't stop when they see them with their precious
    doggies. I mean c'mon, we're supposed to stop and pull the bike over when
    encountering a dog? But that's their take on it.

    This society, by and large, seems to treat its dogs better than it treats
    its children.

    Then they wonder why their kids hate them and their dogs love them
    unconditionally.

    -Luigi

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  3. On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 15:44:08 GMT, neil0502 wrote:

    On the question of confrontation:

    Quoted message said:

    High risk, low reward.

    True words of wisdom!

    One time a local lawn maintenance truck and trailer buzzed me on a
    local road. The mirror went clear over my head (missed but I doubt it
    would have knocked any sense into me ;-). I went into a rage and gave
    chase. The vehicle was doing 45 mph and I chased. A few seconds later
    the driver began to stop and pull over. But the driver thought better
    of the idea (probably got a good look at the rage on my face in the
    mirror). I only chased him to burn off the rage (I've never come so
    close to being killed before). When he started to pull over I thought
    he'd better not or I was going to stick a shovel where the sun don't
    shine. I was clearly not in control and I was never so glad to see him
    take off. I really didn't want to catch him because I was so full of
    rage I didn't know what I would do. And yes, at the time, all these
    thoughts ran through my mind (and so did the mirror, almost).

    BTW, I gave chase for about 3 miles. I really needed to burn off that
    rage before I took it out on someone else. I hope I never experience
    that again, it's too out of control.

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  4. mark said:

    The two paragons of Christian virtue in the Stupid Useless Vehicle weren't
    hurt, and they will probably think twice before they harass other road
    users in the future.

    No. Their preconceptions of Godless, possibly Communist, and definitely
    terrorist cyclists have just been reinforced. Look for them at your next
    "bikes belong on the sidewalk" meeting.

    -Luigi

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  5. (R15757) said:

    And what's with this passive-aggressive
    pretending to write down license plate
    numbers? Very disappointed to hear you
    pulling that one. I don't want to hear about
    any more cyclists pulling that [censored].
    It's embarrassing.

    Let your riding do the talking.

    Robert

    Nail, head.

    -B

  6. (R15757) said:

    And what's with this passive-aggressive
    pretending to write down license plate
    numbers? Very disappointed to hear you
    pulling that one. I don't want to hear about
    any more cyclists pulling that [censored].
    It's embarrassing.

    Let your riding do the talking.

    Robert

    Nail, head.

    -B

  7. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that was my original objective, and pretending to write down said
    license number.

    Of course I didn't have a pen.

    Come on now, you can't memorize a license number if you want to?

  8. Quoted message said:

    || The two paragons of Christian virtue in the Stupid Useless Vehicle
    || weren't hurt, and they will probably think twice before they harass
    || other road users in the future.

    Them being Christian has little to do with it. They were just to ignorant
    old biddies.

    Yep, he snuck in his contempt of "Christians" into the thread.

  9. Zippy the Pinhead said:
    Luigi de Guzman said:

    Our local mormon proselytizers are the same way. Pity nobody taught them
    about riding on the road, properly. They weave through the sidewalks and
    driveways, counterflow.

    DON'T mess with them.

    They're the Mighty Mormon Power Rangers.

    I see them skulking around my neighborhood on occasion. The time they
    came to my door, I asked them to please take my house off their list and
    not come back. One of them then had the nerve to stand on MY porch and
    insult me to my face.

    Nice way to try to gain converts, mm-hmm.

    -km

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  10. the black rose said:
    Zippy the Pinhead said:
    Luigi de Guzman said:

    Our local mormon proselytizers are the same way. Pity nobody taught them
    about riding on the road, properly. They weave through the sidewalks and
    driveways, counterflow.

    DON'T mess with them.

    They're the Mighty Mormon Power Rangers.

    I see them skulking around my neighborhood on occasion. The time they
    came to my door, I asked them to please take my house off their list and
    not come back. One of them then had the nerve to stand on MY porch and
    insult me to my face.

    My granddad used to invite them in, offer them something to drink, and have
    a rousing theological discussion with them.

    Granddad may not have converted any of *them*, but they certainly didn't
    return often.

    As I recall, mission service is compulsory for these guys. As with any bunch
    of draftees, there are the some who are enthusiastic, some who are
    competent, and some who are malingerers.

    It may be the word of God, but it is a human being that's got to bring it to
    the ends of the earth--all of them are imperfect, and some quite a bit less
    perfect than others.

    -Luigi

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  11. Luigi de Guzman said:
    Badger_South said:

    Then they have the nerve to post a rant in the local paper about the crazy
    bikers who ride by and don't stop when they see them with their precious
    doggies. I mean c'mon, we're supposed to stop and pull the bike over when
    encountering a dog? But that's their take on it.

    This society, by and large, seems to treat its dogs better than it treats
    its children.

    Then they wonder why their kids hate them and their dogs love them
    unconditionally.

    Hmm, I think yer on to something here...

    The last time I rode on the local rail-trail, I almost got creamed by
    some little kid coming head-on on a BMX, weaving in and out of the wrong
    side of the trail, not looking where he was going. His mother was
    screaming at him to get out of my way, and he was totally not paying any
    attention to her, either.

    Their dog was behaving, though.

    This taught me that it's probably a better idea not to ride down the
    rail-trail at all. I haven't been back.

    -km

    --
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    proud to be owned by a yorkie
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  12. the black rose said:

    The last time I rode on the local rail-trail, I almost got creamed by
    some little kid coming head-on on a BMX, weaving in and out of the wrong
    side of the trail, not looking where he was going. His mother was
    screaming at him to get out of my way, and he was totally not paying any
    attention to her, either.

    Their dog was behaving, though.

    This taught me that it's probably a better idea not to ride down the
    rail-trail at all. I haven't been back.

    -km

    I get this kind of thing every day. One kid was riding down the trail with
    his eyes closed. His mom was looking behind her trying to tell her other
    kid where to throw some trash, weaving all over the trail.

    Today a kid jumps out into the middle of the trail and puts his arms out as
    though to make me run into him. I brandish a fist and he runs off into the
    woods laughing and shouting 'gonna hit me?, gonna hit me?'.

    Yesterday I had to fend off some dog by interposing my bike, four times,
    after finishing my ride. The dog was probably being friendly, but I had on
    my bike shorts and did not want my legs scraped by his claws jumping on me.
    The owner, to her credit runs up and says 'oh, sorry he's just being
    friendly'. I said 'well if you can't keep him from charging people, you
    need to keep him on the leash, and it -is- leash day'. She replies 'oh,
    it's not my dog, I'm just sitting him'. Well, lady, then you don't know his
    behavior so how can you trust him off the leash?

    Last week I'm riding down a long, gentle downhill, and about 100 yds ahead
    of me two old ladies are walking with a dog off the leash. One of the women
    starts _screaming_ like she's being murdered! Somehow, I apparently
    startled her from 100yds away. That really ruined my day. I kept waiting
    for the cops to show up and accuse me of giving her some kind of a stroke -
    all just by riding my bike.

    It's always something. I try to ignore and blow it off as much as possible.
    I guess it beats risking being clobbered by a one-ton metal box - but not
    by much. ;-)

    -B

  13. the black rose said:

    I see them skulking around my neighborhood on occasion. The time they
    came to my door, I asked them to please take my house off their list and
    not come back. One of them then had the nerve to stand on MY porch and
    insult me to my face.

    Nice way to try to gain converts, mm-hmm.

    I once saw one of those sadistic cartoons about one way to keep
    Jehovah's Witnesses from coming up your driveway. You'd chalk the
    outlines of bodies -- two adults and a child -- and a briefcase on
    your driveway. That'd give them pause.

    I used to see them coming up the driveway, then take a mouthful of
    water, and when they got going on their spiel, I'd begin to slowly
    drool the water onto the front of my shirt. When my mouth was empty,
    I'd start talking to them in German. That usually got them going back
    down the driveway with all deliberate haste.

  14. Badger_South said:


    Last week I'm riding down a long, gentle downhill, and about 100 yds ahead
    of me two old ladies are walking with a dog off the leash. One of the
    women starts _screaming_ like she's being murdered! Somehow, I apparently
    startled her from 100yds away. That really ruined my day. I kept waiting
    for the cops to show up and accuse me of giving her some kind of a stroke
    - all just by riding my bike.

    I don't have a bell. Lately, though, I have taken to saying "DING!"
    discreetly as I approach. It has the intended effect, and makes me laugh
    at the silliness of it all.

    -Luigi

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  15. "Luigi de Guzman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    the black rose said:
    Zippy the Pinhead said:

    On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 10:33:15 -0400, Luigi de Guzman
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Our local mormon proselytizers are the same way. Pity nobody taught


    them

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >about riding on the road, properly. They weave through the sidewalks


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >driveways, counterflow.

    Quoted message said:

    My granddad used to invite them in, offer them something to drink, and


    have

    Quoted message said:

    a rousing theological discussion with them.

    Granddad may not have converted any of *them*, but they certainly didn't
    return often.

    This is usually my tactic, too -- invite them in, give them a drink of water
    or herbal tea, and then work them over. I'm not interested in arguing,
    though. Mostly what I do is ask them questions. My goal is to get them away
    from dogma and scripture, and into their personal experience of the Divine.
    Some have no patience for it, others do. I'm not sure if it's smart of them
    or not to return the favor, but no one has yet.

    Now that I work away from the home, I don't see them as often as I used to,
    when I was at home most of the day.

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  16. "Luigi de Guzman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    the black rose said:
    Zippy the Pinhead said:

    On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 10:33:15 -0400, Luigi de Guzman
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Our local mormon proselytizers are the same way. Pity nobody taught


    them

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >about riding on the road, properly. They weave through the sidewalks


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >driveways, counterflow.

    Quoted message said:

    My granddad used to invite them in, offer them something to drink, and


    have

    Quoted message said:

    a rousing theological discussion with them.

    Granddad may not have converted any of *them*, but they certainly didn't
    return often.

    This is usually my tactic, too -- invite them in, give them a drink of water
    or herbal tea, and then work them over. I'm not interested in arguing,
    though. Mostly what I do is ask them questions. My goal is to get them away
    from dogma and scripture, and into their personal experience of the Divine.
    Some have no patience for it, others do. I'm not sure if it's smart of them
    or not to return the favor, but no one has yet.

    Now that I work away from the home, I don't see them as often as I used to,
    when I was at home most of the day.

    --
    Warm Regards,

    Claire Petersky
    please substitute yahoo for mousepotato to reply
    Home of the meditative cyclist:
    http://home.earthlink.net/~cpetersky/Welcome.htm
    Personal page: http://www.geocities.com/cpetersky/
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  17. "Luigi de Guzman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:S6r_c.4939$OZ6.2245@okepread06

    Quoted message said:
    Badger_South said:

    Last week I'm riding down a long, gentle downhill, and about 100 yds
    ahead of me two old ladies are walking with a dog off the leash. One
    of the women starts _screaming_ like she's being murdered! Somehow,
    I apparently startled her from 100yds away. That really ruined my
    day. I kept waiting for the cops to show up and accuse me of giving
    her some kind of a stroke - all just by riding my bike.

    I don't have a bell. Lately, though, I have taken to saying "DING!"
    discreetly as I approach. It has the intended effect, and makes me
    laugh at the silliness of it all.

    Air horns work well. Nothing like 120dB to get pedestrians' attention.

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  18. "Luigi de Guzman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:S6r_c.4939$OZ6.2245@okepread06

    Quoted message said:
    Badger_South said:

    Last week I'm riding down a long, gentle downhill, and about 100 yds
    ahead of me two old ladies are walking with a dog off the leash. One
    of the women starts _screaming_ like she's being murdered! Somehow,
    I apparently startled her from 100yds away. That really ruined my
    day. I kept waiting for the cops to show up and accuse me of giving
    her some kind of a stroke - all just by riding my bike.

    I don't have a bell. Lately, though, I have taken to saying "DING!"
    discreetly as I approach. It has the intended effect, and makes me
    laugh at the silliness of it all.

    Air horns work well. Nothing like 120dB to get pedestrians' attention.

    --

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    Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

  19. Luigi de Guzman said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >re: mormon proselytizers ...

    My granddad used to invite them in, offer them something to drink, and have
    a rousing theological discussion with them.

    Granddad may not have converted any of *them*, but they certainly didn't
    return often.

    We used to see them pretty frequently when we lived down south.

    One day, when I had time, I did invite two of them in for a discussion.
    Interestingly, it went very well. We had about an amiable hour's talk
    with lots of questions and answers. One of the two guys was
    uninteresting, but the other was quite a thinker. All in all, it was a
    good experience - although I definitely didn't buy what they were selling!

    Quoted message said:


    As I recall, mission service is compulsory for these guys.

    Personally, I think _some_ sort of service should be compulsory for guys
    that age. Mission service, military service, public service -
    _something_.

    IMHO, it's silly to take a 17-year-old and either a) send him to college
    in a badly chosen major, or b) turn him into a low-wage-earner spending
    money on cars and booze.

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  20. Badger_South said:

    Exactly. Same kind of thing happens on my bike/MU trail. You be polite and
    thank everyone for letting you pass, but there's still a few people who
    think you don't belong, since that trail is -their- venue to use for their
    dogs to [censored] everywhere and chase people, jump on peds, and run up from a
    dunk in the river and shake on hapless hikers (OK, that part is funny).

    They break the law constantly by letting dogs off the leash on 'leash days'
    (Fri-Mon), but get very upset if you ask them "ma'am, why is your dog
    charging and jumping on me? please control him" They reply "he's charging
    and jumping on you b/c you're going too fast." Of course at the time, I'm
    dead stopped or coasting at about 1mph trying to get by them. It's all
    their little pea-brain can think of to say, since they'll never admit to
    being a scoflaw and public nuisance.

    I think that's a perfect application for Halt. It will stop almost all
    dogs. It doesn't hurt them for long, but it burns their eyes and nose
    enough that they learn.

    If the owners complain, give them a bill for your dog training service. ;-)

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