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"Tom Crispin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Which, by your estimate, leaves £659.63 for a frame check and service,
which, from the Bandits of Bridgewater, is probably about right.

Mate had his thorn audax bent in a similar crash to yours. Sent the frame
off to be checked by the BoB, who duly proclaimed it fine. I was riding with
him a little while later, and the frame was really obviously bent.

Dunno how to go about ensuring they do a proper check though.

cheers,
clive

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Which, by your estimate, leaves £659.63 for a frame check and
service, which, from the Bandits of Bridgewater, is probably about
right.

Mate had his thorn audax bent in a similar crash to yours. Sent the
frame off to be checked by the BoB, who duly proclaimed it fine. I
was riding with him a little while later, and the frame was really
obviously bent.
Dunno how to go about ensuring they do a proper check though.

Take it to a /reputable/ shop or framebuilder ;-) Many years ago I had the
feeling that my Claud Butler Majestic's frame was misaligned; the LBS[1]
confirmed that this was so and, with some gentle tweakage, were able to
cold-set the rear triangle into line, just in time for me to pile it into
the back of an innocent Vauxhall Nova and utterly destroy it :-(

1 - Woking Cycles before it was Borged by Evans.

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Whatever it is, I'd like it in mango & passion fruit, please.

Dave Larrington said the following on 02/05/2007 15:22:

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just in time for me to pile it into
the back of an innocent Vauxhall Nova and utterly destroy it :-(

I knew Novas were [censored], but to be destroyed by a bike? :-)

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Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

David Martin said:

On May 2, 2:48 pm, David Martin <[email hidden]>

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Tony Raven said:

Tom Crispin wrote on 01/05/2007 18:53 +0100:

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> Estimates for the repair bill?

Hmm.. not bad guesstimate. Remind me to not run you over any time
soon.

Yeah... but you forgot the 50p for the bent key ring.

www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/mutilation/keyring

On 2 May, 16:21, Tom Crispin <[email hidden]>

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Yeah... but you forgot the 50p for the bent key ring.

www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/mutilation/keyring

Could've been worse -- at least the jar of Colman's was unscathed ;o)

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Dave Larrington said the following on 02/05/2007 15:22:

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just in time for me to pile it into
the back of an innocent Vauxhall Nova and utterly destroy it :-(

I knew Novas were [censored], but to be destroyed by a bike? :-)

/Silly/ boy... I think the Nova got the best of the deal, having as it did
naught but a borken rear window to show for its troubles. Next best off was
a Mr Larrington, suffering from "lacerations", caused by his unh+lm+ted arms
going through said window and, later, sore feet from being obliged to walk
from Kingston Hostipal to Kew Bridge before being able to find a night bus.

Though the frame and fork of the bike were rendered into an interesting
piece of abstract sculpture, the front wheel was completely unharmed.

--
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If you are choking on an ice cube, simply pour a jug of boiling
water down your throat and presto! The blockage is almost
instantly removed.

Dave Larrington wrote on 03/05/2007 08:37 +0100:

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Though the frame and fork of the bike were rendered into an interesting
piece of abstract sculpture, the front wheel was completely unharmed.

Interesting thought. In an accident like that does the rim push or pull
on the spokes? ;-^)

--
Tony

"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
is no good evidence either way."
- Bertrand Russell

In article <[email hidden]>, Tom Crispin
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8am, cycling to work today, passing stationary WVM on the outside at
about 6mph, and approaching a set of pedestrian lights, WVM decides to
pull to the right to cross the right hand lane to use a loading bay.

Front of WVM hits my side, wing mirror the back of my head, and I go
down. Hard knock to the shoulder and hard bang to my head. I lie in
the road for about 5 minutes, with plenty of assistance from passers
by, including a nurse. Then I sit on the kerb for 5 minutes until the
police and two ambulances arrive.

Very low blood pressure and feeling faint. Paramedics wonderful.

In hospital under observation until 4pm.

Now I'm feeling sore in the right shoulder, but nothing broken. My
head has a large lump.

My body will repair itself; my bike won't. :-(

Get photo's of your injuries, now and in a week's time when they've
'developed', get to your GP for some painkillers etc, and get a lawyer
on the job. And get well soon.

Tom Crispin said:

In hospital under observation until 4pm.

Now I'm feeling sore in the right shoulder, but nothing broken. My
head has a large lump.

My body will repair itself; my bike won't. :-(

Your body doesn't have to repair itself for free, though - physio
treatment at least should be paid for, and a car shunt causing
minor whiplash is worth a couple of K compensation. Big bruises and
road rash ought to bump it up further.

-adrian

Mark McNeill said:

Response to Roger Thorpe:

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I think this is the picture:
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42879000/jpg/_42879641_wire_ap.jpg

I designed that.

But how is he balancing without gyroscopic forces? No, let's not start
THAT again.

<peers> And that's not a h*lm*t he's wearing...

One of the american competitors (Pedro Carril) wore a helmet. As far
as I am aware no-one else has yet.

They are all wearing life-jackets, though I'm not sure how useful
these are if you fall 25m+ into water that's about a metre deep (as
a Russian competitor did yesterday).

regards, Ian SMith
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Peter Clinch said:

And do you wear yours in other places and for other activities where an
egg-shaped lump on the bonce is actually similarly likely? It was
partly that conundrum that caused me to stop wearing mine. Maybe I'd
have been better off if it had caused me wear it when I was unloading
the dishwasher too, but despite my painful lesson I prefer to look out
for open cupboards and take that risk, rather than wear something I
really don't need all the time in the kitchen just in case.

I appreciate that Ziggy's original comments were meant to be tongue-in-
cheek, but you can't deny that this group is fairly anti-helmet.

I can deny that and I jolly well will: this group is very anti-helmet
and anyone who disagrees is clearly a nutter.

Cheers,
Luke

--
Lincoln City 0-2 Southend United (AET)
Swansea City 2-2 Southend United
We went up twice with Tilly and Brush

Tom Crispin said:

8am, cycling to work today, passing stationary WVM on the outside at
about 6mph, and approaching a set of pedestrian lights, WVM decides to
pull to the right to cross the right hand lane to use a loading bay.

Front of WVM hits my side, wing mirror the back of my head, and I go
down. Hard knock to the shoulder and hard bang to my head. I lie in
the road for about 5 minutes, with plenty of assistance from passers
by, including a nurse. Then I sit on the kerb for 5 minutes until the
police and two ambulances arrive.

Very low blood pressure and feeling faint. Paramedics wonderful.

In hospital under observation until 4pm.

Now I'm feeling sore in the right shoulder, but nothing broken. My
head has a large lump.

My body will repair itself; my bike won't. :-(

Commiserations. I hope the insurance cough up quickly.

We should campaign for white vans to be covered in ventilated
polystyrene.

Luke

--
Lincoln City 0-2 Southend United (AET)
Swansea City 2-2 Southend United
We went up twice with Tilly and Brush

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We should campaign for white vans to be covered in ventilated
polystyrene.

.... so it doesn't make so much noise when they squeeze cyclists off the
road.

Ekul Namsob said:

<[email hidden]> wrote:

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I appreciate that Ziggy's original comments were meant to be tongue-in-
cheek, but you can't deny that this group is fairly anti-helmet.

I can deny that and I jolly well will: this group is very anti-helmet
and anyone who disagrees is clearly a nutter.

More so than someone who doesn't know the difference between anti-helmet
and anti-compulsion ?

--
Carol
"The glassblower's cat is bompstable"
- Dorothy L. Sayers, _Clouds of Witness_

Carol Hague said:

Ekul Namsob said:

<[email hidden]> wrote:

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I appreciate that Ziggy's original comments were meant to be tongue-in-
cheek, but you can't deny that this group is fairly anti-helmet.

I can deny that and I jolly well will: this group is very anti-helmet
and anyone who disagrees is clearly a nutter.

More so than someone who doesn't know the difference between anti-helmet
and anti-compulsion ?

And in any case daft enough to confuse a balance of opinion with
Groupthink (TM)?

Pete.
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Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Peter Clinch wrote on 05/05/2007 16:54 +0100:

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And in any case daft enough to confuse a balance of opinion with
Groupthink (TM)?

Easily done if you're not aware of foil deflector beanies ;-)
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

--
Tony

"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
is no good evidence either way."
- Bertrand Russell

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<peers> And that's not a h*lm*t he's wearing...

One of the american competitors (Pedro Carril) wore a helmet. As far
as I am aware no-one else has yet.

They are all wearing life-jackets, though I'm not sure how useful
these are if you fall 25m+ into water that's about a metre deep (as
a Russian competitor did yesterday).

regards, Ian SMith

And is he OK?
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Tim no said:

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<peers> And that's not a h*lm*t he's wearing...

One of the american competitors (Pedro Carril) wore a helmet. As far
as I am aware no-one else has yet.

They are all wearing life-jackets, though I'm not sure how useful
these are if you fall 25m+ into water that's about a metre deep (as
a Russian competitor did yesterday).

And is he OK?

I believe so - he was apparently chatting to the rescue boat crew (in
so far as a Russian-speaker can chat to a Korean-speaker).

http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_entertainment/207322.html

'"Extreme feelings!" the Russian acrobat shouted as he stepped onto
the ground after being plucked from the water, all wet but full of
smiles at the wild cheers by hundreds of spectators.

'"I'm a man, I have to risk my life. In ordinary life, it's dangerous.
For some people it is. But it's a true feeling for me," he said,
speaking through an interpreter.'

I expect "Extreme feelings" has suffered a bit from an exclamation in
Russian translated to Korean for the crowd, then translated from the
Korean for the english-language part of the newspaper. The drop was
possibly a little under 25m (but over 20m). There's an unspecified
layer of mud under the water, which may help. To be honest, I was a
little surprised how cheery he looked after the fall.

regards, Ian SMith
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Simon Brooke said:

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www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/mutilation/

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Estimates for the repair bill?

Whoooh!

Bet the WVM's insurance people will get a shock when they discover that
damage to a bike could cost that much! You'll need to send the frame back
to Thorn to be checked for true, presumably?

£1200, I'd say, more or less. New wheel, new fork, new pannier racks, new
lighting rig, check frame, workshop time.

Scarily close.

£1,146.83

Nearly double what I had expected, but I didn't expect the bike to
need a new frame, and I was also unaware that anything carbon and
under load needs to be binned after a crash.

Tom Crispin said:

Simon Brooke said:

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www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/mutilation/

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Estimates for the repair bill?

Whoooh!

Bet the WVM's insurance people will get a shock when they discover
that damage to a bike could cost that much! You'll need to send the
frame back to Thorn to be checked for true, presumably?

£1200, I'd say, more or less. New wheel, new fork, new pannier
racks, new lighting rig, check frame, workshop time.

Scarily close.

£1,146.83

Nearly double what I had expected, but I didn't expect the bike to
need a new frame, and I was also unaware that anything carbon and
under load needs to be binned after a crash.

It's because there's no _sure_ way of detecting any unseen fractures it
might have sustained.

--
Paul - [censored]